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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Also homestuck characters should be in the 3rd spot for low 1-A, they are still 1-A smurfs there, LE still has 1-A immo type 8 and concept manip, John all his Retcon-based stuff is 1-A and that is a whole laundry list of stuff he can use
Rikimarox2 said:
The whole player being a canon thing makes it seem as if the Player is just controlling the characters and is actively trying to make them win, but I doubt it's that simple. I assume the Player character actively manipulates the plot to make the characters win? If so, then fair enough, I guess then it depends on if it actively changes the mind of others. If not, then I can WW just going NEP and see if that's enough to stop plot from affecting him or smth. Though, that concept type 1 stuff seems really weird, I assume there are other characters with it and as such, Godcat gets it?
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For NEP, you specifically need NEP that includes your narrative/story to not get ganked by plot manip, in the same way as not having NEP for your concept makes you still vulnerable to concept manip
CM1 comes from them being the embodiments of destruction and creation, being unaffected by when Godcat cursed all cats to no longer have arms or legs, and being unable to be damaged by the players despite them already being able to interact with incorporeals (see i do not agree with this, and a thread could prolly be made to downgrade it, but I can't be ****** to)
 
Crazy how that got accepted (or maybe the profile was made that way).

Though, for NEP, is that how we always assumed it to be? I thought you'd still need feats of affecting NEP before other stuff can affect it. Though considering how abstract plot manip is and the fact that it wasn't shown to have nonexistent plot, I guess it makes sense.
 
Since JM DeMatteis' Marvel Cosmology has been finished... and The Divine Creator has a profile here... It's time....

I nominate DeMatteis' Franklin Richards as the most powerful High 1-A that doesn't have a + on it due to him scaling to All of Existence., being able to subconsciously recreate All of Existence without any effort, and upscaling massively to characters who scale to it. The Cosmology of DeMatteis' has the Dream as encompassing all the possible worlds that The Divine Creator (Tier 0) can bring into existence, and as aI mentioned, Franklin effortlessly and sucbonsciously recreated them all. The only reason Franklin isn't High 1-A+ is because of the rules about how strict it is. @VeryGoofyToddler2 can clarify if you need direct evidence of such (if he minds of course, up to him).
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Since JM DeMatteis' Marvel Cosmology has been finished... and The Divine Creator has a profile here... It's time....

I nominate DeMatteis' Franklin Richards as the most powerful High 1-A that doesn't have a + on it due to him scaling to All of Existence., being able to subconsciously recreate All of Existence without any effort, and upscaling massively to characters who scale to it. The Cosmology of DeMatteis' has the Dream as encompassing all the possible worlds that The Divine Creator (Tier 0) can bring into existence, and as aI mentioned, Franklin effortlessly and sucbonsciously recreated them all. The only reason Franklin isn't High 1-A+ is because of the rules about how strict it is. @VeryGoofyToddler2 can clarify if you need direct evidence of such (if he minds of course, up to him).
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How is he not High 1-A+ type 1 if he can affect All of Existence, which as you said, is High 1-A+ type 2?
 
From what I know you can't upscale that massively above Type 2 or even Type 1 unless you're 0 because the gap between Type 1 and Type 2 isn't as big as people believe it is. It disqualifies them being higher than regular High 1-A as a result
Livinaa said:
How is he not High 1-A+ type 1 if he can affect All of Existence, which as you said, is High 1-A+ type 2?
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
From what I know you can't upscale that massively above Type 2 or even Type 1 unless you're 0 because the gap between Type 1 and Type 2 isn't as big as people believe it is. It disqualifies them being higher than regular High 1-A as a result
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How is he above Type 2? Again, affecting a High 1-A+ type 2 structure, no matter small or big or even the entirety of it, is High 1-A+ type 1.
Woomica said:
tf is high 1-A type 1 and 2 bro
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The apex of this tier, represented also by a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+), corresponds to characters whose power encompasses meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities, and any and all conceivable extensions of this process, being on a which in which their power influences the space of all logically possible worlds ("Logical space," where the laws governing it are the three laws of thought), being characters who either have the ability to actualize arbitrarily large worlds, or embody the framework of such worlds itself.

being characters who either have the ability to actualize arbitrarily large worlds,
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This is High 1-A+ type 1

embody the framework of such worlds itself.
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This is High 1-A+ type 2

characters who embody the framework of all possible worlds properly speaking may be rightly considered more powerful than those that can simply create arbitrarily big possible worlds while nevertheless existing in one.
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This is the difference between them. In a verse with High 1-A+ type 2 structure, affecting it, even just the smallest part, is enough to be High 1-A+ type 1. That's why Ultima allowed there to be multiple High 1-A+ type 1, but there can only be one High 1-A+ type 2 (as i remember it).
 
MichaelCalistro said:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/who-is-the-real-god-of-thunder-o-0-0-0.177620/

Does either one of the Thors makes it in the Tier 1-A list here?
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MichaelCalistro said:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/doctor-strange-vs-doctor-fate-redux-o-0-0-0.177479/

Will either Doctor Strange or Doctor Fate make it in the Tier-1 list?!
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Marvel Comics' mainstream cosmology is probably gonna get upgraded soon so once that happens they'll probably both be on the 1-A list
 
Characters from Nasuverse in Low 6-B and Caren Hortensia in 6-B should be removed as the verse was deleted.
 
For Low 1-C, Marvel Comics characters should for now be above Meng Hao but below Shadow Vernal due to the magic-wielding Low 1-C characters having 1-A hax such as Type 1 CM and Type 2 Info Manip, among other things. They just can't beat Shadow Vernal's layers of hax.
 
Eseseso said:
For Low 1-C, Marvel Comics characters should for now be above Meng Hao but below Shadow Vernal due to the magic-wielding Low 1-C characters having 1-A hax such as Type 1 CM and Type 2 Info Manip, among other things. They just can't beat Shadow Vernal's layers of hax.
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Meng Hao has his own 1-A hax in both his seal the heaven hex and other essence level hax, which comes with the relevant hax layers for ergen
 
Deonment said:
Meng Hao has his own 1-A hax in both his seal the heaven hex and other essence level hax, which comes with the relevant hax layers for ergen
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1. How many layers?

2. I'm fine with Marvel people being below Meng Hao for now.
 
Eseseso said:
1. How many layers?

2. I'm fine with Marvel people being below Meng Hao for now.
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The Seal The Heaven Hex can **** with Allheaven's clone so at least at least like, 40 layers, considering the clone is Peak Transcendence, which puts him in 4th step beyond 3rd Step characters who can use and resist usages of Essence, his other usages of Essence should be at least 20 layers (could be more, but honestly I can't be ****** to look at that rn)
 
Deonment said:
The Seal The Heaven Hex can ** with Allheaven's clone so at least at least like, 40 layers, considering the clone is Peak Transcendence, which puts him in 4th step beyond 3rd Step characters who can use and resist usages of Essence, his other usages of Essence should be at least 20 layers (could be more, but honestly I can't be **** to look at that rn)
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Then yeah, Marvel Comics people would go below Meng Hao.

(Honestly, how is Meng not above Shallow Vernal with all those layers?)
 
For 3-C, what are Schiender's stuff? Are they basically the same as Bastard god tiers (Uriel, Satan)? If so, I don't assume there's 4-D stuff so what can they do against Wang Wei?

Similarly for 3-A Satan? Wang Wei is already above them in Non-smurf list.

Also, for 2-C, ik Epic Battle Fantasy got plot manip, but I don't see how they can possibly survive passive soul + mind + body + death inducement aura? Not to mention Fate stuff that surpasses time and includes time and space as just a subset of it?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
For 3-C, what are Schiender's stuff? Are they basically the same as Bastard god tiers (Uriel, Satan)? If so, I don't assume there's 4-D stuff so what can they do against Wang Wei?

Similarly for 3-A Satan? Wang Wei is already above them in Non-smurf list.
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put wei above them
Rikimarox2 said:
Also, for 2-C, ik Epic Battle Fantasy got plot manip, but I don't see how they can possibly survive passive soul + mind + body + death inducement aura? Not to mention Fate stuff that surpasses time and includes time and space as just a subset of it?
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don`t know much about epf.
 
Why HSR characters are in 1-A spot? All Aeons are Tier Low 1-A, is there anyone more powerful than the Aeons in HSR?
 
And does he have anything that's passive?

Just curious if the Isekai Mahou could have a decent match with her after I apply the revisions. Suimei is already looking broken, so now I am doubting it, maybe someone less haxed.
 
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