Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Lycoris4812]

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Very wankable, 1-B tensura

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

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Very wankable, 1-B tensura

Isn't that simply spacetime manipulation or am missing something

 

[Lycoris4812]

Isn't that simply spacetime manipulation or am missing something

It says it goes through tens of thousands of dimensions. And this happened in the cardinal world, so I don't think they are actually space-times.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

It says it goes through tens of thousands of dimensions. And this happened in the cardinal world, so I don't think they are actually space-times.

Slimereader said "10,000 dimensional slashes"
But i think the raws have to be consulted since there is the translation thingy going on
At first i thought there were ten thousand slashes

 

[Lycoris4812]

Slimereader said "10,000 dimensional slashes"
But i think the raws have to be consulted since there is the translation thingy going on

Yeah I know, I will get it translated. The raws on deepl say "A dimensional rupture of more than ten thousand dimensions had occurred."

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Yeah I know, I will get it translated. The raws on deepl say "A dimensional rupture of more than ten thousand dimensions had occurred."

But does that statement mean the attack had ten thousand dimensions or the attack cut through ten thousand dimensions

 

[Lycoris4812]

But does that statement mean the attack had ten thousand dimensions or the attack cut through ten thousand dimensions

Its cut through.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Its cut through.

This is very wankable indeed ,but I'd recommend a possibly 1A or a baseline since dimensions(coordinate framework) are part of the laws of time and space ,the world language encompasses all that and the attribute are higher than that(?)

 

[Lycoris4812]

This is very wankable indeed ,but I'd recommend a possibly 1A or a baseline since dimensions(coordinate framework) are part of the laws of time and space ,the world language encompasses all that and the attribute are higher than that(?)

I think we should focus on 1-B or H1-B for now. But the great spirit will be Low 1-A to 1-A anyways.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

I think we should focus on 1-B or H1-B for now. But the great spirit will be Low 1-A to 1-A anyways.

Are there any other evidence for 1B apart from those

 

[Lycoris4812]

Are there any other evidence for 1B apart from those

Theres this infinite amount of imaginary spaces in infinite prison thing.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

I think we should focus on 1-B or H1-B for now. But the great spirit will be Low 1-A to 1-A anyways.

Are there any other evidence for 1B apart from those

Theres this infinite amount of imaginary spaces in infinite prison thing.

Though i dont know the context behind that ability(as in what the raws say) but i remember people saying that they were simply spartial stacked ontop of each other,they even rejected a H3A rating for it .

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

There is also a statement in vol 22 that states the spacetime storm was beyond time ,space and dimensions

 

[Lycoris4812]

Though i dont know the context behind that ability(as in what the raws say) but i remember people saying that they were simply spartial stacked ontop of each other,they even rejected a H3A rating for it .

Astral was yapping about some H1-B stuff, idk.

 

[Lycoris4812]

There is also a statement in vol 22 that states the spacetime storm was beyond time ,space and dimensions

Thats an immeasurable speed thing.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Thats an immeasurable speed thing.

Noted

 

[PrimeHydra64]

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Very wankable, 1-B tensura

You love to see it lol

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Im currently doing a sandbox on reworking LN Nihility Collapse, should it have its own page and then link it to everyone who can use it or just have its own section when they get the Keys where they get supplied it similar to what is on the current rimuru page?

 

[ashen]

Im currently doing a sandbox on reworking LN Nihility Collapse, should it have its own page and then link it to everyone who can use it or just have its own section when they get the Keys where they get supplied it similar to what is on the current rimuru page?

You can try for fun, but don’t put the scan only references, since we will probably add the OTL or other scans when it comes out.

Since it has like 1 user (rimuru owner of skill) and 4 sub-user (Diablo, Zegion, testarossa, benimaru via nihility supply) it is actually enough to make a page on.

Give us your work when you are satisfied or you want feedback, so we can maybe work all togethers with the supporters.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I have multiple translations from the translation team so it should be fine though I will ask if I can use both OTL and Edited MTL to provide context and not justifications.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I've mostly finished it, just waiting on the translations and I just need feedback on what is missing or needs improvement.

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[MetaChronos]

I've mostly finished it, just waiting on the translations and I just need feedback on what is missing or needs improvement.

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I think you need to add Death Manipulation and Immortality Negation. Also causality manipulation could be added (maybe).

 

[ashen]

I've mostly finished it, just waiting on the translations and I just need feedback on what is missing or needs improvement.

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Well it is good, but i think you should differentiate nature of the energy and the possible application.

For example turn null nature would be :

Space-time manipulation, void manipulation, chaos manipulation, information manipulation, conceptual manipulation (type 2 fundamental, concept type 1 : explain all characteristics of pure turn null in one go)

And the many applications because not All characters can do the same things, such as :

- Creation, information manipulation, conceptual manipulation, space-time manipulation (type 2 fundamental concept type 1 : can recreate the cardinal world ect…)

User : rimuru

- Absorption, BFR, durability negation (imaginary blade eat away ect)

User : rimuru

- Statistic amplification (can make turn null circulate in their body to boost stats ect…)

User : all (except testarossa and benimaru)

And all other abilities.

Wouldn’t it better like that ? Or the application may be directly explained on profile too and the nature of the energy directly on the page.

I think it would be less confusing so we know wich character is capable of each feat (i think at least all can project turn null outside but not all can amplify and pour it energy inside their body for example)

 

[ashen]

I think you need to add Death Manipulation and Immortality Negation. Also causality manipulation could be added (maybe).

Well I don’t believe it is immortality negation to start with, it just straight up erase « deeper » or in another state than regular abilities.

Since we know it existed even before hells, and is what remains after its collapse.

It could erase twilight but mainly du to the potency of the void

As for death manipulation there is no mention of it I could think of? It erase your information straight up.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Parallel Existence should grant type 4 immortality. And Rimuru should get type 4 immortality negation, eliminating him forever.

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[ashen]

Parallel Existence should grant type 4 immortality. And Rimuru should get type 4 immortality negation, eliminating him forever.

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More like immortality type 8 ? They can resurrect as long the other exist.

Should be HG too, since it is treated as parallel existence every body is the main one and can act as the principal (possess same skill) so can also replicate the other one, for exemple micheal as long as Feldway exists.

But since it got erased by void collapse and we now know that even twilight who can reforms hearts core can’t regenerate form this, it doesn’t contradict anything about its immortality.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

More like immortality type 8 ? They can resurrect as long the other exist.

Should be HG too, since it is treated as parallel existence every body is the main one and can act as the principal (possess same skill) so can also replicate the other one, for exemple micheal as long as Feldway exists.

But since it got erased by void collapse and we now know that even twilight who can reforms hearts core can’t regenerate form this, it doesn’t contradict anything about its immortality.

Immortality types 4 and 8, is that okay then?
I also saw that they can regenerate, so I should have type 3, too.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

This would be type 3 immortality, High Godly?

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[MetaChronos]

Well I don’t believe it is immortality negation to start with, it just straight up erase « deeper » or in another state than regular abilities.

Since we know it existed even before hells, and is what remains after its collapse.

It could erase twilight but mainly du to the potency of the void

As for death manipulation there is no mention of it I could think of? It erase your information straight up.

When saying it erases in a deeper state, it basically means immortality negation. Let me explain. Turn null has type 1,2,3,4,5,8 immortality negation. Types 1-5 exist because of its conceptual/spiritual/information level erasure. Type 8 for similar reason. “Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means.” Which turn null has because it erases not the physical aspect but the informational aspect of a being. Therefore death manipulation.

 

[MetaChronos]

This would be type 3 immortality, High Godly?

Gyazo

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This doesn’t support high godly. Hugh godly is applicable only if you can regenerate from absolute nothingness which here parallel existences are still in play. Regenerating from erasure by relocating their existence somewhere else should fall under low godly regen. Please forgive me if I said anything wrong, I’m still new here

 

[CodeCCLL]

I've mostly finished it, just waiting on the translations and I just need feedback on what is missing or needs improvement.

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Your efforts are appreciated, but you should immediately remove the "verse-specific" and "Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken" categories from your blog. Such categories are only for official pages, so an moderator can warn you at any time or has already warned you.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

This doesn’t support high godly. Hugh godly is applicable only if you can regenerate from absolute nothingness which here parallel existences are still in play. Regenerating from erasure by relocating their existence somewhere else should fall under low godly regen. Please forgive me if I said anything wrong, I’m still new here

I don't think it's Low-Godly Regeneration. I know it's confusing about the "body." But Testarossa talks about the past, meaning the Underworld.
They don't have a physical body. I say this because with the other "body," they regenerate another "body."

 

[MetaChronos]

I don't think it's Low-Godly Regeneration. I know it's confusing about the "body." But Testarossa talks about the past, meaning the Underworld.
They don't have a physical body. I say this because with the other "body," they regenerate another "body."

Ok my bad I didn’t understand the context. So now it should be mid godly since regenerating from physical and spiritual destruction. But still it doesn’t prove regeneration from absolute nothingness. So still no high-godly but mid-godly is proven I think.

 

[MetaChronos]

Good night guys.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

They didn't understand me XD. I still want to hear other people's opinions.

 

[ashen]

When saying it erases in a deeper state, it basically means immortality negation. Let me explain. Turn null has type 1,2,3,4,5,8 immortality negation. Types 1-5 exist because of its conceptual/spiritual/information level erasure. Type 8 for similar reason. “Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means.” Which turn null has because it erases not the physical aspect but the informational aspect of a being. Therefore death manipulation.

No, it doesn’t work like that.

For e exemple killing the soul of a character who possesses low godly level regen wouldn’t be low godly regeneration negation, since you just straight up overwhelm the effect of the immortality with greater damage thag it can withstand.

It would be soul manipulation.

Same principle goes for turn null it erases beyond what character are capable of comming back.

If even twilight cannot come back from void collapse,
SLF that cannot even survive a core break stand no chance.

As for death manipulation, again yeah it is the ability to induce death, but just killing someone with an ability is not death manipulation, that ability effect would literally have to be focus on the death effect rather than causing damage that lead to the death of the opponent.

Otherwise all abilities capable of killing would be death manipulation since it can kill, wich is absurd.

We don’t give death manipulation for magma because it burn a person to death.

 

[ashen]

Immortality types 4 and 8, is that okay then?
I also saw that they can regenerate, so I should have type 3, too.

Well no, if you regenerate because of an external source it is type 8, it will regenerate you like a type 3 as long you are not getting destroyed beyond the capability of the external source or the destruction of the external source.

This would be type 3 immortality, High Godly?

Gyazo

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You should check the raw to see if it refer to either of these 3 :

Body ｢体, karada｣ or corpus ｢全身, zenshin, lit. "whole body"｣ refers to the various phase bodies ｢位相体, isōtai｣

Rather than this one :

material body ｢物質体マテリアル・ボディー, materiaru bodī, lit. "substance body"｣ or the flesh ｢肉体, nikutai｣

In wich cases it will either be below or = to low godly (unlikely since SLF already do that) or mid godly (regenerate both spiritual body and astral body)

 

[ashen]

Well no, if you regenerate because of an external source it is type 8, it will regenerate you like a type 3 as long you are not getting destroyed beyond the capability of the external source or the destruction of the external source.


You should check the raw to see if it refer to either of these 3 :

Body ｢体, karada｣ or corpus ｢全身, zenshin, lit. "whole body"｣ refers to the various phase bodies ｢位相体, isōtai｣

Rather than this one :

material body ｢物質体マテリアル・ボディー, materiaru bodī, lit. "substance body"｣ or the flesh ｢肉体, nikutai｣

In wich cases it will either be below or = to low godly (unlikely since SLF already do that) or mid godly (regenerate both spiritual body and astral body)

I just realized it work like parallel existence at the difference that only 1 body retains a free will, idk if both have a soul but it is likely, then it is not impossible for them to reach HG level.

However it would need additional proof, 1st more proof for parallel Existence capabilities.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I just realized it work like parallel existence at the difference that only 1 body retains a free will, idk if both have a soul but it is likely, then it is not impossible for them to reach HG level.

However it would need additional proof, 1st more proof for parallel Existence capabilities.

They certainly have a soul, because they have a soul corridor, the Parallel existences.

The thing is the core, which I support that it does have, since Velgrynd (who was inside Rimuru's stomach, was released, the mind control is said to have been in her core, Ciel removed the mind control), while another Velgrynd remained just as controlled, I think it is also mentioned that body doubles have a core? In previous volumes, I will review it.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Your efforts are appreciated, but you should immediately remove the "verse-specific" and "Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken" categories from your blog. Such categories are only for official pages, so an moderator can warn you at any time or has already warned you.

Thank you ill change it