Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

[TheUnshakableOne]

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology.

Something to bare in mind, the Nonduality page for the wiki says that a fictional verse can define its own form of dualities so long as their a negation

However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses.

Summary of Evidence before the greater detail explanation

Spoiler: Evidence #1 Summary

• Direct Statement that Dualities exist in verse
• There is also a direct explanation on logical negations existing in verse
• Contradictions to the worlds logical system must be erased.
• A direct statement that "the world" operates on a "logical" system.

Spoiler: Evidence #1 Identifying "A" and "Not A"

• A = There is only one true Aquarius Cloth in this universe.
• Not A = There is more than one true Aquarius Cloth in this universe.

There can only be 1 genuine Aquarius cloth per universe, the other used dimensional travel to invade the parallel universe. This creates a contradiction in the univeses logical system thus one must be negated.

• A = Shura is DEAD in this point of the timeline.
• Not A = Shura is NOT DEAD in this point of the timeline.

A Logical contradiction was created in the timeline and has to be negated.

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Spoiler: Evidence #2 Summary

• Agyo and Ungyo are specifically counters to each other this is directly stated.
• When Agyo was used; Ungyo was negating it as stated here.
• The Agyo-Ungyo clash causes constant negations as one truth erases the other . in one instance a universe is born and going through life then the next instance being the other power causes its destruction, end, and death. Thus we get the cycle of Samsara.

Spoiler: Identifying "A" and "Not A" in Evidence #2

• Agyo The "A" = “The beginning” / Light / Life / Creation / Yang
• Ungyo The "Not A" = “The end” / Darkness / Death / Destruction / Yin

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Evidence #1: Explicit Statement Dualities and Logical Negations Within the Verse​

Saint Seiya directly acknowledges and emphasizes the concept of "dualities" and their inherent negations. The scans below illustrate this explicitly:

Spoiler: Scan 1: "Dualities" Name-Dropped and Defined with Logical Negations

Dualities; the word, is straight up name dropped. In addition, we have descriptions of them having logical negations

Spoiler: Scan 2: Negation by Annihilation and Extinction

Everything in verse from people, locations, hierarchies and even objects are straight up stated to be participating in dualities

and its then straight up stated that one must be annihilated because the neither can be true at the same time. This is a form of negation.

The above scans come from Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins Chapter # 100 or Volume 14

To give you more context; Gold Cloth A and Gold Cloth B cannot both be Authentic at the same time. One must be False.

Spoiler: Another Example IS Shura is Dead and Not Dead

Another example from much earlier in the series; Shura cannot be "Not dead" in the present and "Dead" in the past. But he is alive in the present due to time travel. Thus the Universe attempts to kill him. This is another form of Negation.

There is other explanations that can go into here, but ultimately all of these accumulation of events leads to Pope Kanon discussing these dualities in chapter 100 and how they cannot both be simultaneously true.

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Evidence #2: Classical Dualities (Agyo & Ungyo) and their form of Negation​

We have then classical dualities that also have logical negations

we have Agyo and Ungyo A - Un; The Beginning and The End (That's their definitions)

Agyo and Unagyo are counters to each other. They negate each other.

Ungyo = "The End" / Darkness / Death / Destruction / Yin

Agyo = "The beginning" / Light / Life / Creation / Yang

These 2 forces negate each other as seen in the text where "Agyo" was stated to be Tearing up/ripping up/destroying Ungyo. This is a form of Negation because both cannot be true at the same time. One will end up annihilating's/destroying the other. hence the line "Tearing up the darkness."

Spoiler: Scan 3: Agyo Negating Ungyo

and its straight up stated that "Agyo" a "Counter" to "Ungyo." This is a statement of negation.

Spoiler: Scan 4: Agyo as Counter to Ungyo

These negations become a cyclical cycle that's called "Samsara" as you can see in the below scan the continuous negations happening between Agyo and Ungyo is causing the creation, and destruction of countless universes, and the birth and death of countless lives. This is because neither truth state can co-exist at the same time in the same setting due to the nature of their negation.

Spoiler: Scan 5: Samsara from Agyo/Ungyo Negations

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This information comes from Saint Seiya: Next Dimension Chapter 58

This is reinforced by the idea of the previous evidence that suggest that everything has a negation and a duality.

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My Proposal: Is Samsara contains all dualities (and their negations) in the multiverse as Samsara is cyclical process of all dualities and their negations affecting the inhabitants and structures within the multiverse.​

Simply put before i move on to scaling any character to have any form of Nonduality, and any type of resistance/immunity to abilities from it.

id like to get this CRT accepted or rejected. i don't want to go through the hard work of making a blog just for the core and important part of to to be rejected lol

So for now; this will be a purely decorative ability that no one will get until a explanation blog is created. This blog will be in Part 2 and will explain who scales. Why they scale, and will explain the immunities this ability will give. Because yes, it will be worth enough for a blog if this gets accepted.

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Spoiler: Supporting Arguments for the OP

Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology. Something to bare in mind, the Nonduality page for the wiki says that a fictional verse can define its own form of dualities so long as their a negation...

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Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology. Something to bare in mind, the Nonduality page for the wiki says that a fictional verse can define its own form of dualities so long as their a negation...

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Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

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Spoiler: Counter Arguments Against the OP

Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology. Something to bare in mind, the Nonduality page for the wiki says that a fictional verse can define its own form of dualities so long as their a negation...

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Nonduality -- Saint Seiya Part 1

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology. Something to bare in mind, the Nonduality page for the wiki says that a fictional verse can define its own form of dualities so long as their a negation...

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Vote Count

Agrees Evidence #1: StekFence, Robo432343, Danny33wise (Leaning towards agreeing)

Disagrees Evidence #1: Reiner04, Elizhaa, ActuallySpaceMan42, DarkDragonMedeus, Vietthai96 (Current Count on Staff vote = 4)

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Agrees Evidence #2: Reiner04, Elizhaa, DarkDragonMedeus, StekFence, Robo432343, Danny33wise (Leaning towards agreeing) (Current Count on Staff vote = 3)

Disagrees Evidence #2:

 

[StekFence]

I could possibly be missing something, but for now I agree. The idea is that Samsara is emcompassing all the dualities pertaining to universes (such as beginnings and ends) and the dualities universes contain (such as dualistic hierarchies) .

 

[Huesito88]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

On phone so can't write much, i will tackle some parts first

Saint Seiya directly acknowledges and emphasizes the concept of "dualities" and their inherent negations. The scans below illustrate this explicitly:

Reading two scans, from the surface sound like duality thing, however, after analyzing the contexts, it seem this duality is not logical duality, but rather a nominalism/idealism duality that not mean anything, cause the scans said literally about twin identities that can't exists together, this also extend to other objects and thing. From the scans, exactly what they said, two things of the same nature can't exist and will destroy each other, this actually go against duality, because logical duality do not talk about two things with the same nature destroy it other

Idk where you get the "both can't be true at the same time and negate each other", this is just two things of the same nature can't exists together and destroy each other. Also if both states can't be true at the same time, then you can't get nonduality either.

Before you jump on me, logical negation isn't things destroy each others, for example, matter and anti-matter annihilate each others, they aren't logical negation or duality. Example about duality is existence and nonexistence which by default is duality, which you can see on Nonduality page, however existence and nonexistence doesn't destroy or annihilate each others

Spoiler: Another Example IS Shura is Dead

1. Eh, one scan do not load somehow

2. Again idk where is the "not dead" and "dead" come from. From the scans it is the distortion of past, present and future thing which idk what it have anything to do with duality or logical negation, just your standard time travel thing and the cosmology try to correct thing by destroying the cause. This is your standard time travel paradox, and like i said above, destroying thing isn't negation. Good grief, i should explain better to you when you asking question about duality on that "i forgot the name again" Q&A thread

3. The third scan? Is talking about Black Hole Information Paradox, a paradox isn't logical negation, it is just thing that make no sense, go against common sense, cause contradiction, and again, the scan just said thing about cosmology or whatever it is, trying to correct shit and solve the paradox by destroying the cause

Anyway, from what i see, the Evidence 1 isn't duality so i disagree with your argument


About Evidence 2, i could only read them briefly cause i will be busy soon, but they potentially could be dualities, but i need to see them clearly to be sure when i have time, which again i can't make promise cause i'm lazy and disappear often. If you make vote tally, just list me as disagree with Evidence 1 and neutral to Evidence 2

 

[Robo432343]

agree

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

On phone so can't write much, i will tackle some parts first

Reading two scans, from the surface sound like duality thing, however, after analyzing the contexts, it seem this duality is not logical duality, but rather a nominalism/idealism duality that not mean anything, cause the scans said literally about twin identities that can't exists together, this also extend to other objects and thing. From the scans, exactly what they said, two things of the same nature can't exist and will destroy each other, this actually go against duality, because logical duality do not talk about two things with the same nature destroy it other

Idk where you get the "both can't be true at the same time and negate each other", this is just two things of the same nature can't exists together and destroy each other. Also if both states can't be true at the same time, then you can't get nonduality either.

Before you jump on me, logical negation isn't things destroy each others, for example, matter and anti-matter annihilate each others, they aren't logical negation or duality. Example about duality is existence and nonexistence which by default is duality, which you can see on Nonduality page, however existence and nonexistence doesn't destroy or annihilate each others


1. Eh, one scan do not load somehow

2. Again idk where is the "not dead" and "dead" come from. From the scans it is the distortion of past, present and future thing which idk what it have anything to do with duality or logical negation, just your standard time travel thing and the cosmology try to correct thing by destroying the cause. This is your standard time travel paradox, and like i said above, destroying thing isn't negation. Good grief, i should explain better to you when you asking question about duality on that "i forgot the name again" Q&A thread

3. The third scan? Is talking about Black Hole Information Paradox, a paradox isn't logical negation, it is just thing that make no sense, go against common sense, cause contradiction, and again, the scan just said thing about cosmology or whatever it is, trying to correct shit and solve the paradox by destroying the cause

Anyway, from what i see, the Evidence 1 isn't duality so i disagree with your argument


About Evidence 2, i could only read them briefly cause i will be busy soon, but they potentially could be dualities, but i need to see them clearly to be sure when i have time, which again i can't make promise cause i'm lazy and disappear often. If you make vote tally, just list me as disagree with Evidence 1 and neutral to Evidence 2

I won't be able to give any lengthy response until Tuesday

 

[Hasty12345]

As a verse supporter I feel obligated to comment, however I don’t know enough about this ability to evaluate it accurately.

 

[StekFence]

Bomp

 

[StekFence]

Bamp

 

[Danny33wise]

Leaning towards agree for now.

 

[Huesito88]

I won't be able to give any lengthy response until Tuesday

Bemp

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bemp

Later today..I git some stuff i need to do this morning

 

[IvarUHQ]

I believe there is evidence suggesting the concept of Nonduality (specifically Logical Negations) is present within the Saint Seiya cosmology.

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Evidence #1: Explicit Statement Dualities and Logical Negations Within the Verse​

Saint Seiya directly acknowledges and emphasizes the concept of "dualities" and their inherent negations. The scans below illustrate this explicitly:

Spoiler: Scan 1: "Dualities" Name-Dropped and Defined with Logical Negations

Dualities; the word, is straight up name dropped. In addition, we have descriptions of them having logical negations

Spoiler: Scan 2: Negation by Annihilation and Extinction

Everything in verse from people, locations, hierarchies and even objects are straight up stated to be participating in dualities

and its then straight up stated that one must be annihilated because the neither can be true at the same time. This is a form of negation.

The above scans come from Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins Chapter # 100 or Volume 14

To give you more context; Gold Cloth A and Gold Cloth B cannot both be Authentic at the same time. One must be False.

Spoiler: Another Example IS Shura is Dead and Not Dead

Another example from much earlier in the series; Shura cannot be "Not dead" in the present and "Dead" in the past. But he is alive in the present due to time travel. Thus the Universe attempts to kill him. This is another form of Negation.

There is other explanations that can go into here, but ultimately all of these accumulation of events leads to Pope Kanon discussing these dualities in chapter 100 and how they cannot both be simultaneously true.

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Evidence #2: Classical Dualities (Agyo & Ungyo) and their form of Negation​

We have then classical dualities that also have logical negations

we have Agyo and Ungyo A - Un; The Beginning and The End (That's their definitions)

Agyo and Unagyo are counters to each other. They negate each other.

Ungyo = "The End" / Darkness / Death / Destruction / Yin

Agyo = "The beginning" / Light / Life / Creation / Yang

These 2 forces negate each other as seen in the text where "Agyo" was stated to be Tearing up/ripping up/destroying Ungyo. This is a form of Negation because both cannot be true at the same time. One will end up annihilating's/destroying the other. hence the line "Tearing up the darkness."

Spoiler: Scan 3: Agyo Negating Ungyo

and its straight up stated that "Agyo" a "Counter" to "Ungyo." This is a statement of negation.

Spoiler: Scan 4: Agyo as Counter to Ungyo

These negations become a cyclical cycle that's called "Samsara" as you can see in the below scan the continuous negations happening between Agyo and Ungyo is causing the creation, and destruction of countless universes, and the birth and death of countless lives. This is because neither truth state can co-exist at the same time in the same setting due to the nature of their negation.

Spoiler: Scan 5: Samsara from Agyo/Ungyo Negations

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Cette information provient du Chapitre 58 de Saint Seiya : Next Dimension

Ceci est renforcé par l’idée des preuves précédentes qui suggèrent que tout a une négation et une dualité.

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Ma proposition : Le Samsara contient-il toutes les dualités (et leurs négations) dans le multivers, car le Samsara est un processus cyclique de toutes les dualités et de leurs négations affectant les habitants et les structures au sein du multivers.​

En termes simples, je passe à la mise à l’échelle de n’importe quel personnage pour avoir toute forme de non-dualité, et tout type de résistance / immunité aux capacités de celui-ci.

J’aimerais que ce CRT soit accepté ou rejeté. Je ne veux pas passer par le travail difficile de faire un blog juste pour le cœur et la partie importante d’être rejeté lol

Donc, pour l’instant ; Il s’agira d’une capacité purement décorative que personne n’obtiendra tant qu’un blog d’explication n’aura pas été créé. Ce blog sera dans la partie 2 et expliquera qui évolue. Pourquoi ils évoluent, et expliquera les immunités que cette capacité donnera. Car oui, cela vaudra assez pour un blog si cela est accepté.

Oui, le Samsara contient toutes les dualités et leurs négations, car c’est un processus cyclique basé sur l’interaction des opposés.
Oui, le Samsara affecte toutes les structures du multivers, car tant qu’un être est soumis aux causes et conditions du karma, il est pris dans ces cycles.
Cependant, la seule véritable issue est la transcendance des dualités elles-mêmes, et non seulement leur négation ou inversion.

 

[Huesito88]

Oui, le Samsara contient toutes les dualités et leurs négations, car c’est un processus cyclique basé sur l’interaction des opposés.
Oui, le Samsara affecte toutes les structures du multivers, car tant qu’un être est soumis aux causes et conditions du karma, il est pris dans ces cycles.
Cependant, la seule véritable issue est la transcendance des dualités elles-mêmes, et non seulement leur négation ou inversion.

English plz

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Reading two scans, from the surface sound like duality thing, however, after analyzing the contexts, it seem this duality is not logical duality, but rather a nominalism/idealism duality that not mean anything, cause the scans said literally about twin identities that can't exist together, this also extend to other objects and thing. From the scans, exactly what they said, two things of the same nature can't exist and will destroy each other, this actually go against duality, because logical duality do not talk about two things with the same nature destroy it other.

To me it looks like there is a misunderstanding here about what constitutes logical dualities. your counter argument assumes that because the verse treats identical objects or similar entitles, as contradictions, it somehow goes against the standards on duality. However, this is incorrect based on both logical negation principles and VS Battle Wiki’s own standards on nonduality.

Logical dualities does not require that two opposing states be different in nature (fire and water). It only requires that the system recognizes that two mutually exclusive states (A vs. ¬A) and their separation be enforced/negated.

The VS Battle Wiki page on Nonduality explicitly states:

"However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities—such as water and fire or time and space—as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses."

This means that even if a real world logical framework wouldn't normally classify “two identical things” as a duality, the Saint Seiya cosmology does. The Gold Cloth scenario demonstrates this perfectly

• Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins; explicitly establishes that two identical Gold Cloths cannot be “authentic” at the same time—meaning one must be negated.
• The scans don’t just describe a physical conflict between two identical things; they describe a logical contradiction that must be resolved.
• This is a direct example of A vs. ¬A being enforced/negated, where the universe does not allow both to be true at the same time and negates one state.

So its not violating the idea of dualities here. it is defining its own in-verse logic in a way that aligns with the VS Battle Wiki’s flexibility for different verses.

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"Idk where you get the 'both can't be true at the same time and negate each other', this is just two things of the same nature can't exist together and destroy each other. Also if both states can't be true at the same time, then you can't get nonduality either."

This argument misunderstands how logical negation works in a structured A vs. ¬A duality system, which is the system in which nonduality operates under here on VS Battle Wiki to defines dualities. Logical negation is not just about two things opposing each other. it is about one state being true, which automatically makes the other false.

By definition, if both states cannot be true at the same time, then this IS a logical duality, not something that goes against the standards for what makes a duality.

Your claim of "if both states can't be true at the same time, then you can't get nonduality either" is also incorrect. Nonduality (Type 2) requires a pre-existing structured duality system, meaning a verse must already function on an A vs. ¬A framework for a nondual character to exist outside of it. VS Battle Wiki states that for a character to qualify for nonduality, they must exist beyond or independently of logical dualities. This means a duality must be present in the verse first, which I believe Saint Seiya fully demonstrates this through its unique way of handling contradictive resolutions.

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"Before you jump on me, logical negation isn't things destroy each other, for example, matter and anti-matter annihilate each others, they aren't logical negation or duality. Example about duality is existence and nonexistence which by default is duality, which you can see on Nonduality page, however existence and nonexistence doesn't destroy or annihilate each others."

This is misapplying logical negations by assuming that destruction is never a form of negation. The verse explicitly forces a resolution when contradictions arise. It doesn’t just allow them to coexist like two opposing forces. This is the core difference between physical opposition (fire vs. water) and logical negation (A vs. ¬A).

Vsbattle wiki also has a statement that a verse can define dualities in its own unique way with this quote

However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses.

and the argument that "matter and anti-matter annihilate each other but aren’t logical negations" is a false equivalence fallacy because matter and anti-matter can exist independently until they interact, whereas in Saint Seiya:

• Contradictions cannot remain; they are automatically resolved by the universe.
• Shura's paradox had a universal attempted eraser because his existence in that moment is contradictory.
• The Gold Cloth situation forces one identity to be negated.
• Agyo and Ungyo exist in a cycle of mutual negations.

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"Again idk where is the 'not dead' and 'dead' come from. From the scans it is the distortion of past, present and future thing which idk what it have anything to do with duality or logical negation, just your standard time travel thing and the cosmology try to correct thing by destroying the cause."

There is a misunderstanding here about what kind of paradox Shura's existences is causing. This isn't plain old ordinary and simple time travel where history is being rewritten. The universe is actively trying to erase him from history, and let their only be 1 Shura in the logical order of History in the universe.

it is the logical structure of the universe negating a contradiction.

• In a normal time paradox, time "corrects" itself by changing past events or sending the individual back.
• In Shura’s case, time is not being "fixed" the contradiction itself is being removed.
• This is an enforcement of logical consistency, not just timeline correction.

If Saint Seiya’s universe operated purely on cause and effect then Shura’s paradox would have been adjusted rather than outright erased. The fact that the universe chooses erasure shows it functions under a logical negation system.

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"The third scan? Is talking about Black Hole Information Paradox, a paradox isn't logical negation, it is just thing that make no sense, go against common sense, cause contradiction, and again, the scan just said thing about cosmology or whatever it is, trying to correct shit and solve the paradox by destroying the cause."

This dismisses the entire purpose of how paradoxes reach their resolution in the verse. A contradiction in logic does not just "go against common sense." It requires a correction mechanism that negates one of the two states. In Saint Seiya, paradoxes are not allowed to remain unresolved. They are actively negated.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

if someone could create a quick copy and pastable lists of agrees and disagrees id appreciate it. Im running around with my head cut off on my only day off -__-

Thank you!

 

[Vietthai96]

You still didn't fix that dead scan

Anyway my time is limited so i just want to say that paradox isn't logical negation, the verse automatically resolve paradox isn't negation

About verse can establish its own system of duality, it is fine, but if the suppose dual force just annihilated each others then it just disqualified them being duality, like i said, negation isn't annihilation.

I need to sleep now, will talk about your comment in detail later

 

[IvarUHQ]

En anglais s’il te plaît

Oui, le Samsara contient toutes les dualités et leurs négations, car c’est un processus cyclique basé sur l’interaction des contraires.
Oui, le Samsara affecte toutes les structures du multivers, car tant qu’un être est Soumis aux causes et aux conditions du karma, il est pris dans ces cycles.
Cependant, la seule véritable issue est la transcendance des dualités elles-mêmes, et non la transcendance des dualités. seulement leur négation ou leur inversion.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

You still didn't fix that dead scan

Anyway my time is limited so i just want to say that paradox isn't logical negation, the verse automatically resolve paradox isn't negation

About verse can establish its own system of duality, it is fine, but if the suppose dual force just annihilated each others then it just disqualified them being duality, like i said, negation isn't annihilation.

I need to sleep now, will talk about your comment in detail later

all the scans are working for me...i did replace the link on all of them just in case though

anyways i can only reply on tuesdays also this is a saint seiya crt so staff will resposne in 3,000 years from now. So take your time. im not in any hurry either.

 

[Huesito88]

Oui, le Samsara contient toutes les dualités et leurs négations, car c’est un processus cyclique basé sur l’interaction des contraires.
Oui, le Samsara affecte toutes les structures du multivers, car tant qu’un être est Soumis aux causes et aux conditions du karma, il est pris dans ces cycles.
Cependant, la seule véritable issue est la transcendance des dualités elles-mêmes, et non la transcendance des dualités. seulement leur négation ou leur inversion.

They're still not in english in fact you just pasted the same comment again....

 

[IvarUHQ]

They're still not in english in fact you just pasted the same comment again....

Depuis tous ce temps tu pouvais traduire ta page dans ta langue comment tu réfléchis

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@IvarUHQ This is an English speaking wiki, and while I can understand that it may be difficult on people who do not speak English as their native language. It is the rules that all content revision conversations must be done in English. As doing otherwise creates too much unnecessary work for the staff to analyze, and OP creators and debaters are supposed to be the ones doing their own work individually.

Thank you.

 

[IvarUHQ]

Yes, Samsara contains all the dualities and their negations, because it is a cyclical process based on the interaction of opposites.

Yes, the Samsara affects all the structures of the multiverse, because as long as a being is Subject to the causes and conditions of karma, he is caught in these cycles.

However, the only true outcome is the transcendence of the dualities themselves, not only their negation or inversion.

 

[Danny33wise]

Bump

 

[Huesito88]

Bomp

Vote Count

Agrees: StekFence, Robo432343, Danny33wise (Leaning towards agreeing)

Disagrees: Vietthai96 (Disagrees With 1, Neutral with 2 for the moment)

 

[Huesito88]

Bemp

 

[Huesito88]

Bamp

 

[Danny33wise]

Bump

 

[Reiner04]

I don't agree with Evidence 1 having any form of relation with dualities. It seems to be more of talking about how Universes always tries to resolves paradoxes. No two identical beings of different time/universes should co-exist. It confuses the timeline.

Evidence 2 does prove existence of duality in the verse as I can see them relating creation and destruction as Yin and Yang, giving it further context.

 

[Danny33wise]

Bump

 

[Huesito88]

Bemp

Vote Count

Agrees: StekFence, Robo432343, Danny33wise (Leaning towards agreeing), Reiner04 (Disagrees with 1, Agrees with 2)

Disagrees: Vietthai96 (Disagrees With 1, Neutral with 2 for the moment)

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Bemp

Vote Count

Agrees: StekFence, Robo432343, Danny33wise (Leaning towards agreeing), Reiner04 (Disagrees with 1, Agrees with 2)

Disagrees: Vietthai96 (Disagrees With 1, Neutral with 2 for the moment)

How did you add color to a name?

I'll edit thos in Tuesday of I got time

 

[Huesito88]

How did you add color to a name?

Like this click on the third (or fourth one depending on what your using) button and then on the paint looking one

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I never noticed that was a thing

 

[Huesito88]

I never noticed that was a thing

Me neither until Iike 7 months ago

 

[Huesito88]

Bamp

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I don't agree with Evidence 1 having any form of relation with dualities. It seems to be more of talking about how Universes always tries to resolves paradoxes. No two identical beings of different time/universes should co-exist. It confuses the timeline.

Saying that Evidence #1 isn't accurately portraying dualities in the strict sense that vsbattle needs to be in is overlooking the greater nature/context of what is happening in these scans/scenes. You stated, "No two identical beings of different time/universes should co-exist. It confuses the timeline." That statement actually reinforces the idea of a logical system where contradictions cannot exist.

In fact this system actually doesn't only affect/work on/ people who time traveled and created a contradiction in the logic of the timeline/universe. In the scans i presented even "Twins connected by blood" are affected by it (People born in the same timeline, in the same era, no time travel involved.)

We also do have a direct statement that the Universe Operates on a logical system. "Separate from the logic of this World..." These people are called "Lost Saints."

They had to separate themselves from the logic of the world or the world would actively try to erase them. | They would be denied their own existence, their whole history.

These are things integral to the grander plot of Saint Seiya Episode G Assassins. The reason i bring up the "Lost Saints" is because these accumulation of events in the early parts of the chapter all come back to the later chapter where Pope Kanon starts talking about Dualities (the Twins connected by Blood scan for reference, where pope kanon basically summarizes everything that is happening)

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Even if we were to assume that a time paradox is being repaired. that would still be an act of negation. The entire point of negation is that when two contradictory states exist, one must be invalidated, rejected, or removed.

The Timeline it is actively erasing one version of reality because it cannot logically coexist with another. This is a negation of a logical system.

Now im not saying i agree with this but pointing out that the Time Paradox argument is still an act of negation to enforce 1 form of logic on the universe.

 

[Huesito88]

Bamp

 

[Elizhaa]

I do not agree with evidence # 1, from the counterarguments discussed. Evidence # 2 does look fine.

 

[Huesito88]

Bomp