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Devil May Cry: 2-A Removal

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Unoriginal777 said:
Pretty much although from the looks we probably don't need to make an additional thread. We just need @Antvasima to define where he stands as it pertains to whether the Demonworld is equal to the Humanworld or not size wise. @DarkDragonMedeus and @LordGriffin1000 for example have only agreed to the downgrade from 2-A to 2-C concerning the Demonworld. Neither have shown positive reception towards the idea that the Demonworld and Humanworld are equal with Griffin outright putting it down. Regardless, it seems the votes (either way) would lean towards the downgrade aspect rather then the DW=HW issue. Now as far as I'm concerned that's a'okay with me.
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It's probably better just to conclude this with the downgrade to 2-C. In fact if the OP had simply said "2-A rating is for this, this staff thread says it's not enough, so back to 2-C", this thing could have been concluded 200 posts ago.

At best this request is asking Antvasima to read through 250+ posts to reach a conclusion on a verse he doesn't know.

I don't think he even realizes that Clover is proposing a 3-A human world when it's currently 4-A since that's not spelled out in the OP.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
It's probably better just to conclude this with the downgrade to 2-C. In fact if the OP had simply said "2-A for this, this staff thread says it's not enough, back to 2-C", this thing could have been concluded 200 posts ago.

At best this request is asking Antvasima to read through 250+ posts to reach a conclusion on a verse he doesn't know.

I don't think he even realizes that Clover is proposing a 3-A human world when it's currently 4-A since that's not spelled out in the OP.
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The HW should be Low 2-C due to being a continuum and universe all in one. If we're talking with the VSBWism of scaling only the spatial aspect said HW should be 3-A due to being a universe, but yeah this whole headache begins and ends with the DW=HW proposition when the universe Mundus made is a continuum as large as the HW and can fit in the Mundus palace alone. Let alone when we get into mirror world talk.
 
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Unoriginal777 said:
The HW should be Low 2-C due to being a continuum and universe all in one. If we're talking with the VSBWism of scaling only the spatial aspect said HW should be 3-A due to being a universe, but yeah this whole headache begins and ends with th DW=HW proposition when the universe Mundus made is a continuum as large as the HW and can fit in the Mundus palace alone. Let alone when we get into mirror world talk.
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Yeah but the spatial effect of HW is High 3-A due to being infinite
 
I saw several mentions of 1-C and Low 1-C here. Do we really have any arguments for these levels?
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
It was hard rejected.
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2-C is the same terrible level for me as High 6-A, 5-A and 4-B.

There seem to be a lot of characters in this tier, but the gap between them is a pain in the ass.

Well, Dante is now at the very bottom of the three favorites of video games.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Later. Let's conclude this thing for now.
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Agreed. Though @Antvasima, @DarkDragonMedeus, @LordGriffin1000 should reclarify again (once and for all their stance).

Do you:

A: Agree with both rungs of Clover's premise.

B: Do you only agree with a downgrade from 2-A to 2-C for the Demonworld given the current standards.

C: Do you only agree with the idea of the Demonworld being equal in size to the Humanworld.

D. Disagree with either part of Clover's argument

Answer these and this show can finally go on the road because it seems like no one has been clarifying much on their final stance with regard to both (not just one) sides of Clover's argument (and this is without forgetting the strong opposition against the second rung of Clover's argument pertaining to a proposed world equivalency) besides @LordGriffin1000. So for the sake of convenience please just clarify your stance directly so this can finally come to a close.
 
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Unoriginal777 said:
Agreed. Though @Antvasima, @DarkDragonMedeus, @LordGriffin1000 should reclarify again (once and for all their stance).

Do you:

A: Agree with both rungs of Clover's premise.

B: Do you only agree with a downgrade from 2-A to 2-C for the Demonworld given the current standards.

C: Do you agree with the idea of the Demonworld being equal in size to the Humanworld.

D. Disagree with either part of Clover's argument
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Could you please highlight Clover's arguments and position?
 
Don't care. Change that to 2-C. Other topics can be evaluated on other thread. But there are 2 things that i must talk about now and are my last words here:

1- the 2-A debunk is by the new wiki standards, not being DW = HW.
DW = HW has solid anti-feats which cannot be ignored. If mods want any summarizing for DW = HW debunk, i'll send the summarisation for them.

2- the ray of light feat although can't be used to directly upgrade the cosmology, but it can be a supporting argument for DW > HW or other cosmology upgrades. But as i said before, it can't be used for a direct 2-A or low 1-C rating. Other things like how many worlds are housed within Demon World can be discussed in future. Here ain't its place. Good Luck.
 
NikHelton said:
Could you please highlight Clover's arguments and position?
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I'm gonna be frank with you. Clover's positions cannot be really summarized because Clover has to kinda add onto them each time they're challenged. You're better off reading the thread from start to finish to do Clover's positions justice as a small succinct summary is not really possible here I'm afraid.
 
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NikHelton said:
Could you please highlight Clover's arguments and position?
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Unoriginal777 said:
I'm gonna be frank with you. Clover's positions cannot be really summarized because Clover has to kinda add onto them each time they're challenged. You're better off reading the thread from start to finish to do Clover's positions justice as a small succinct summary is not really possible here I'm afraid.
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That is not a realistic solution.

@CloverDragon03

Are you willing to help out here please, so we can move past all of the stalling of the application of this thread? 🙏
 
This should be applied and this is the link of current cosmology (2-C):

vsbattles.fandom.com

Devil May Cry - Cosmology Explanation Page

Currently, we accept the feat of Pluto (Demon King who preceded Mundus) splitting the original universe into two separate ones, as per this explanation page. The demon world and human world are noted to be two separate universal space times. We already accept both being separate universes. For...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

So other things like how many worlds are in demon world, can be discussed in future. Current scaling is argosax, mundus, qliphoth and pluto feat that are able to manipulate 2 universes.

I suggest don't talk about unimportant things and just apply this thread. We have a lot of time in future for other things.
 
Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe said:
This should be applied and this is the link of current cosmology (2-C):

vsbattles.fandom.com

Devil May Cry - Cosmology Explanation Page

Currently, we accept the feat of Pluto (Demon King who preceded Mundus) splitting the original universe into two separate ones, as per this explanation page. The demon world and human world are noted to be two separate universal space times. We already accept both being separate universes. For...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

So other things like how many worlds are in demon world, can be discussed in future. Current scaling is argosax, mundus, qliphoth and pluto feat that are able to manipulate 2 universes.

I suggest don't talk about unimportant things and just apply this thread. We have a lot of time in future for other things.
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But there is no need for this vote to pass when only one mod openly showed agreement to both proposals. Hence, why I tagged them again to clarify their position or else we run the risk of misrepresentation of said votes which is improper. So as a sort of final comment I implore @LordGriffin1000 and @DarkDragonMedeus to clarify their stance with regard to both @CloverDragon03's proposals (i.e. the downgrade from 2-A to 2-C and the argument for equating the Demon World to the Human World).
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
It still seems a downgrade to 2-C is the best course of action to my knowledge.
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And for the second thing? Yaknow, the Demonworld=Humanworld proposition that has been the main topic of argument for most of this entire thread. Mind you, the downgrade doesn't require this additive.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
And for the second thing? Yaknow, the Demonworld=Humanworld proposition that has been the main topic of argument for most of this entire thread. Mind you, the downgrade doesn't require this additive.
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That sentence is worded awkwardly. I do not understand the question.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That sentence is worded awkwardly. I do not understand the question.
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Okay before I get to chores it goes like this: so @CloverDragon03 had two propositions. The first being an application of the results of the container thread to take away the 2-A ranking for Devil May Cry. Following this is a second proposal that argues that the Demonworld is a structure equivalent to the Humanworld. The second topic was hotly debated. I want to know where you stand on that second issue. Also let it be known that the first proposition does not require the second one to be passed. You can feasibly ignore or even say no to the second proposition and Devil May Cry will still end up at 2-C.
 
Based on my understanding; the first option simply means Demon World is "Infinitely larger" in terms of 3-D space, but ultimately still the size of a single timeline. So I'll go with that one.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Based on my understanding; the first option simply means Demon World is "Infinitely larger" in terms of 3-D space, but ultimately still the size of a single timeline. So I'll go with that one.
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And what of the originally accepted 2-A blog that demonstrated evidence of multiple continuums in the Demonworld. It was one of the main reasons @CloverDragon03 was opposed so fiercely as while it cannot affirm 2-A it sure as hell stops the Demon world from being equal to the Human world.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
And what of the originally accepted 2-A blog that demonstrated evidence of multiple continuums in the Demonworld. It was one of the main reasons @CloverDragon03 was opposed so fiercely as while it cannot affirm 2-A it sure as hell stops the Demon world from being equal to the Human world.
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I heard something about "9 Dimensions" meaning 9 Universes yeah. I might have misunderstood, but I basically agree Human World =/= Demon World in size is what I meant.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I heard something about "9 Dimensions" meaning 9 Universes yeah. I might have misunderstood, but I basically agree Human World =/= Demon World in size is what I meant.
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So you agree that the Demonworld is not equivalent to the Humanworld spatially or temporally given how the Demonworld contains multiple continuums each with a separate temporal axis while the Humanworld can only be classified as a single continuum?
 
Unoriginal777 said:
So you agree that the Demonworld is not equivalent to the Humanworld spatially or temporally given how the Demonworld contains multiple continuums each with a separate temporal axis while the Humanworld can only be classified as a single continuum?
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Just let it go Unoriginal. It's not the end of everything as we can always comeback to it later. For now, we have more important things to work on anyways.
 
Antvasima said:
You really seem to be going overboard with trying to stall and manipulate the outcome here...
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What manipulation? I'm just making sure that everything is clarified is all. =/= is not a symbol I'm familiar with (does it mean equal or not)? Are they saying equivalency or not. Forgive me for seeming out of the loop in that sense. Additionally, if evidence prompts a mod to take a different opinion then that simply means the evidence was stronger then the argument an op might've put forth. S'not my problem if they change their mind in light of additional evidence which funnily was also shown in this very same thread.
 
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What the hell is this?

You do one thing against DMC's Tiering and you get jumped by people like they're rabid dogs?

For the record: no 2-A had no business happening, and push comes to shove, scale them to whatever they were before. You have a Bureaucrat and two admins agreeing, this is literally more than most entire verses get for evaluation, apply at will. Shit, I'll do it, pretty much every page has the 2-A crap, right?
 
DaReaperMan said:
What the hell is this?

You do one thing against DMC's Tiering and you get jumped by people like they're rabid dogs?

For the record: no 2-A had no business happening, and push comes to shove, scale them to whatever they were before. You have a Bureaucrat and two admins agreeing, this is literally more than most entire verses get for evaluation, apply at will. Shit, I'll do it, pretty much every page has the 2-A crap, right?
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Brother you seem to be confused. Nobody cares DMC being downgraded from 2-A to 2-C. That's already done, and I've consistently affirmed this. Rather, our problem is Clover claiming the Demonworld is an equivalent structure to the Humanworld. That doesn't make sense to my view and the view of others in this thread. Chillax my man. The only person tweaking is you it seems. Calm down. Once the mods finish clarifying this whole shindig can finally come to an end. Anyways I've got work to do today. The thread can do whatever at this point. I won't comment any further on it.
 
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Unoriginal777 said:
Brother you seem to be confused. Nobody cares about 2-A being downgraded to 2-C. That's already done, our problem is Clover claiming the Demonworld is an equivalent structure to the Humanworld. That doesn't make sense to my view and the view of others in this thread. Chillax my man. The only person tweaking is you it seems. Calm down.
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Considering I set aside time to read the entire thread, yes, people cared about losing 2-A. Maybe you didn't, but others did.

And it's not like you've been hospitable either but I'm not exactly going to be a hypocrite on that matter.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Considering I set aside time to read the entire thread, yes, people cared about losing 2-A. Maybe you didn't, but others did.

And it's not like you've been hospitable either but I'm not exactly going to be a hypocrite on that matter.
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Broski nobody cares for 2-A here. We care about the argument for DW=HW throughout 80-90% of the discussions that happened here.
 
It would be appreciated if the thread as a whole settled down.

@Unoriginal777 while I do not thing "Manipulation" is your intention, but you do seem to be asking me a lot of questions; some being worded awkwardly, even though I thought my response has been quite simple. Which may be why Antvasima may have thought of it that way. I obviously said I do not agree with human world being "equal" to Demon World, and that human world is obviously just a regular Low 2-C sized realm. A 2-C demon world was already an agreed same page; and that a different revision should be saved for later if anything.

But if Clover needs to double check, he can.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
It would be appreciated if the thread as a whole settled down.

@Unoriginal777 while I do not thing "Manipulation" is your intention, but you do seem to be asking me a lot of questions; some being worded awkwardly, even though I thought my response has been quite simple. Which may be why Antvasima may have thought of it that way. I obviously said I do not agree with human world being "equal" to Demon World, and that human world is obviously just a regular Low 2-C sized realm. A 2-C demon world was already an agreed same page; and that a different revision should be saved for later if anything.

But if Clover needs to double check, he can.
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Thank you for clarifying it is much appreciated. I'm sorry for taking up so much of your time. Oh and @DaReaperMan I guess I ended up breaking my promise on making my last comment after all. But enough procrastinating on my my school work I guess suffice to say I should get to it.
 
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