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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

That is the old Western lore for Sonic. in their original lore Kintobor used the Chaos Emeralds to absorb all the world's negative energy as an attempt to make the world a better place. But due to a failure (Depends on the version), the energy was released back at Kintobor making he turn into Robotnik.

Of course, that isn't canon anymore, and it's quite funny to think of it. In the Japanese canon the Emeralds are the source of all life energy of the world, that is what Chaos is (looking into the future, it's part of the duality between The End representing Order and Sonic representing Chaos, one is the power of death, the other is the power of life).
 
Executor_N0 said:
That is the old Western lore for Sonic. in their original lore Kintobor used the Chaos Emeralds to absorb all the world's negative energy as an attempt to make the world a better place. But due to a failure (Depends on the version), the energy was released back at Kintobor making he turn into Robotnik.

Of course, that isn't canon anymore, and it's quite funny to think of it. In the Japanese canon the Emeralds are the source of all life energy of the world, that is what Chaos is (looking into the future, it's part of the duality between The End representing Order and Sonic representing Chaos, one is the power of death, the other is the power of life).
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aka, the line is uneccesary at this point
 
Honestly, I do wonder why Sega of America really decided to make their own lore instead of following up from Sega of Japan's lore. There's a lore of cool stuff in the old Japanese manuals and guidebooks that could make it really simple to just be translated on their own, maybe with some altered artwork, but not lorewise.

Maybe they thought American kids would find the original lore uninteresting?
 
************* will see a tiny plume of dust under Sonic & be like "I TOLD YOU HE WAS WINDNIC THE WINDHOG, THE WORLD IS HEALING!!!"
 
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Executor_N0 said:
Honestly, I do wonder why Sega of America really decided to make their own lore instead of following up from Sega of Japan's lore. There's a lore of cool stuff in the old Japanese manuals and guidebooks that could make it really simple to just be translated on their own, maybe with some altered artwork, but not lorewise.

Maybe they thought American kids would find the original lore uninteresting?
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I might be wrong but perhaps it’s due to Sega of America wanting Sonic to be more “edgy” and “action” like 90s superhero comics. Hence where that whole made up origin story came from and the mohawk design quills
 
LukeChaosBlobz said:
I might be wrong but perhaps it’s due to Sega of America wanting Sonic to be more “edgy” and “action” like 90s superhero comics. Hence where that whole made up origin story came from and the mohawk design quills
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Funny how both sides had their own idea of what "attitude" and "cool" meant in Sonic's world.
 
So. I assume how we'll handle this crossover is one-way canonicity.

In other words, this is OUR Sonic and co. (mainline canon versions) and thus making whatever feats pop up here as valid to implement on the pages.

As for the Justice League, I assume they'd simply be new non-mainline versions that would have new pages scaling to Sonic (which I doubt anybody will actually make). Probably something like "The Flash (Wally West) (Sonic the Hedgehog)".

Inb4 this event is referenced in mainline DC
 
I'm not sure what the "Ragna Rock" is, that DeSaad mentioned in the preview, but Darkseid responding "lmao" in response to it in comparison to the Emeralds could be interesting, if this is canon.
 
ShakeResounding said:
(which I doubt anybody will actually make)
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ShakeResounding said:
So. I assume how we'll handle this crossover is one-way canonicity.

In other words, this is OUR Sonic and co. (mainline canon versions) and thus making whatever feats pop up here as valid to implement on the pages.

As for the Justice League, I assume they'd simply be new non-mainline versions that would have new pages scaling to Sonic (which I doubt anybody will actually make). Probably something like "The Flash (Wally West) (Sonic the Hedgehog)".

Inb4 this event is referenced in mainline DC
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Don’t even know if it would be canon to Sonic.
 
ShakeResounding said:
That's the only thing that makes sense narratively tbh, but I'm waiting for a statement either way because I don't think there has been yet since I probably misremembered there being one
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There's no narrative reason for crossovers to be canon to anything unless stated. It could just be a brand new version of both universes that resemble 1:1 with the canon counterparts, with the difference being that the crossover didn't happen. There's a reason why this website has crossover rules, because unless stated otherwise, no crossover is assumed to be canon to any universe before the crossover.
 
Executor_N0 said:
There's no narrative reason for crossovers to be canon to anything unless stated.
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Of course not, I'm not a moron.

What I mean is that it's incredibly lame to think these aren't the same characters we've been following for over 35 years. That's dissatisfying.
 
Executor_N0 said:
There's no narrative reason for crossovers to be canon to anything unless stated. It could just be a brand new version of both universes that resemble 1:1 with the canon counterparts, with the difference being that the crossover didn't happen. There's a reason why this website has crossover rules, because unless stated otherwise, no crossover is assumed to be canon to any universe before the crossover.
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i have not seen any crossover being canon for both sides in this wiki...unless you are fire force and soul eater (completely different from crossover)
 
Alexander said:
i have not seen any crossover being canon for both sides in this wiki...unless you are fire force and soul eater (completely different from crossover)
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Generator Rex and Ben 10 are treated as completely canon, as is Secret Saturdays and Ben 10. They’re all MoA CN shows, though, so it’s a lot easier to accept than other Crossovers.

Also, Smash should be canon to Pit, since he canonically does enter Smash (he references his past entries in KIU) and the KIU guidance in Smash 4 and Ultimate outright contain post-KIU lore you can’t get anywhere else, like how Dark Pit is allied with Viridi now. But I’m not crazy enough to engage in/start that CRT.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Generator Rex and Ben 10 are treated as completely canon, as is Secret Saturdays and Ben 10. They’re all MoA CN shows, though, so it’s a lot easier to accept than other Crossovers.

Also, Smash should be canon to Pit, since he canonically does enter Smash (he references his past entries in KIU) and the KIU guidance in Smash 4 and Ultimate outright contain post-KIU lore you can’t get anywhere else, like how Dark Pit is allied with Viridi now. But I’m not crazy enough to engage in that CRT.
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man and i am fan of ben 10 and i still forgot about those two
 
RedReaper616 said:
Generator Rex and Ben 10 are treated as completely canon, as is Secret Saturdays and Ben 10. They’re all MoA CN shows, though, so it’s a lot easier to accept than other Crossovers.

Also, Smash should be canon to Pit, since he canonically does enter Smash (he references his past entries in KIU) and the KIU guidance in Smash 4 and Ultimate outright contain post-KIU lore you can’t get anywhere else, like how Dark Pit is allied with Viridi now. But I’m not crazy enough to engage in/start that CRT.
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Why Sora vs Pit is the closest fight ever (8 hours)
 
ShrekAnakin said:
Why Sora vs Pit is the closest fight ever (8 hours)
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Combine that with Power Thief and Pit could raise his chances of victory*.

(*Sora sort of resists this. Specifically, he having his powers nullified, but not stolen or replicated as far as I’m aware. So they’d both have access to Sora’s abilities.)

Meaning Pit can absolutely put up a fight.

Sadly my GOAT still loses.
 
That is until I use magic to warp reality and get the rights to the Archie Characters and then have Sega fuse the settings into one, long, canon continuity of pure fun.

THAT’S RIGHT, I’M DELUSIONAL—
 
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