[MCU] Space Survival = Ice Resistance & Tesseract Update

[RoTt35]

Space Survival = Ice Resistance
The Space Survival page states this:

Outer space is cold, so surviving in outer space would entail being able to resist low temperatures. However, one should note that despite space having a temperature near Absolute Zero, surviving in space only grants a minor resistance to cold weak enough for most cold attacks in fiction to overcome, as space is virtually empty, so heat loss there can only happen through radiation, not conduction/convection, which is extremely inefficient and would only take low levels of cold resistance to overcome.

But the MCU works differently, just by being high in the atmosphere it freezes quickly and in deep space it happens almost instantly. And the Marvel Website states "Maw was sucked out into the freezing cold and vacuum of space". So any character who can survive in space should have:

Resistance to Extreme Cold and Ice Manipulation (The vacuum of space is freezing cold, being able to freeze within a few seconds, even by just being high in the atmosphere)

Tesseract Update
The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that the Tesseract has the ability to destroy the planet, and during What If...? is also stated that it can destroy it. Along with those two, that's already five 5-B statements for the Tesseract, so I think that's enough for its tier to be outright 5-B instead of just "Likely 5-B". If so, the characters (Hela, Surtur, Odin) who upscale from it would be At least 5-B

• Extra: the "Marvel Studios: Character Encyclopedia Updated Edition" states that She-Hulk's strength matches Hulk's. As support, the artbook of the show states that the Asgardian tools are magical weapons that give Asgardians a little bit more strength and have extraordinary power (Asgardian are Low 7-C), and She-Hulk was unaffected by them

 

[LMalone22]

Scarlet Witch will be upgraded to at least 5-B as she can temporarily block the space stone force field during destroy the mind stone

 

[RoTt35]

Scarlet Witch will be upgraded to at least 5-B as she can temporarily block the space stone force field during destroy the mind stone

No, the AP of the Tesseract doesn't scale to the durability of its energy shields, and Scarlet Witch couldn't destroy it so it's a feat for the shield, not her

 

[LMalone22]

No, the AP of the Tesseract doesn't scale to the durability of its energy shields, and Scarlet Witch couldn't destroy it so it's a feat for the shield, not her

Tesseract can withstand Surtur AP which will be upgraded to at least 5-B. Why can't its shield energy be upgraded? Since you said its ability can destroy the world, then the energy that creates the force field itself is powerful enough to destroy the world.

 

[RoTt35]

Tesseract can withstand Surtur AP which will be upgraded to at least 5-B

That's a thing for another CRT. And Surtur is already 5-B, "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" to be exact, I propose to remove the High 6-A scaling and make the Tesseract just 5-B

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah this is good, does anyone have a list of characters who’d be affected?

 

[FentyBeauty]

Yeah this is good, does anyone have a list of characters who’d be affected?

for space survival-
survived in space + has resistances to extreme cold temperatures or ice manipulation listed: thor, loki (sacred timeline & god of stories), infinity ultron, arishem, the watcher, classic loki

has type 1 self-sustenance or has survived in space, but has no resistance listed on profile: goose, the abilisk, celestials, sylvie, hela, adam warlock, thanos, eternity, ikaris, captain marvel, monica rambeau, post-fusion strange supreme, alioth, dormammu, ego, ronan the accuser

 

[Hellbeast]

Pretty sure all the Asgardians get it too since Thor can survive in space so that’s Odin, Heimdall, Sif, Kurse, Hela etc for both Self Sustenance and the resistances

 

[Dinobot1996]

This all looks reasonable to me. The MCU does seem to have a pretty consistent portrayal of space overall. Five different statements supporting a fully 5-B Tesseract also looks good, especially considering that being able to power the Bifrost doesn't seem like something that would suggest a High 6-A cap. She-Hulk doesn't really have any major anti-feats that I can think of, considering that she easily overpowered the vast majority of opponents she faced, and the 9-A calculated feats from her series were performed casually.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

I agree

 

[Raincutter]

“Unlimited power” = 3-A

 

[Raincutter]

Being real though, I don’t support upgrading She-Hulk. Their fight pretty obviously showed Hulk heavily holding back still outmatched a pissed off She-Hulk, the rest seems fine

 

[Isaacbobanka]

“Unlimited power” = 3-A

I mean didn't the stones survive the big bang so them being universal wouldn't be that wierd?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

“Unlimited power” = 3-A

That's H3-A, 3-A is still finite numbers

 

[RoTt35]

for space survival-
survived in space + has resistances to extreme cold temperatures or ice manipulation listed: thor, loki (sacred timeline & god of stories), infinity ultron, arishem, the watcher, classic loki

has type 1 self-sustenance or has survived in space, but has no resistance listed on profile: goose, the abilisk, celestials, sylvie, hela, adam warlock, thanos, eternity, ikaris, captain marvel, monica rambeau, post-fusion strange supreme, alioth, dormammu, ego, ronan the accuser

Strange Supreme, Alioth and Dormammu have Self-Sustenance because they can survive in a void, not space. The ice resistance would also scale to characters who can survive in space with equipment (Non-Standard Breathing) like Iron Man (who already has it) or the Iron Spider, I guess spaceships too

 

[Lacku]

Everything here looks great so agree

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Bump

Can this be used to upgrade post-awakend Thor characters?

 

[RoTt35]

Can this be used to upgrade post-awakend Thor characters?

No as there isn't any accepted scaling for Post-Awakening characters yet. Again, this isn't an upgrade for the Tesseract, it's removing its "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" to make it just 5-B

 

[Raincutter]

No as there isn't any accepted scaling for Post-Awakening characters yet. Again, this isn't an upgrade for the Tesseract, it's removing its "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" to make it just 5-B

Thor states he could destroy the Tesseract and Loki doesn't disagree IIRC for what it's worth

 

[RoTt35]

Thor states he could destroy the Tesseract and Loki doesn't disagree IIRC for what it's worth

Currently the Tesseract doesn't have a set durability, only the Space Stone itself. Likewise this is derailing as it should be addressed in its own thread

 

[Dinobot1996]

Loki specifically says that Thor can't destroy the Tesseract in response to Thor threatening to destroy it. An argument for scaling Captain Marvel to the Tesseract might be viable, though not in this thread of course.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Agreed with this

 

[DrakerX]

I agree with 5-B Tesseract (with Hela, Odin and Surtur scaling) and Ice resistence, neutral on She-Hulk scaling to Hulk. Any further scaling for the Tesseract and such can be handled in a separate CRT.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Everything looks fine though I'm neutral on She-Hulk scaling.

 

[RoTt35]

If She-Hulk scaling is iffy perhaps "At least Low 7-C (Via upscaling from Asgardians weapons), possibly 6-B" might work?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

If She-Hulk scaling is iffy perhaps "At least Low 7-C (Via upscaling from Asgardians weapons), possibly 6-B" might work?

That's fine with me.

 

[Dinobot1996]

As a note, this seems to be the most detail that the Marvel website brings up regarding Hulk and She-Hulk's scuffle in the show, which isn't much:

This is just enough to send both of them over the edge, emotions reeling, and soon, the two Hulks are battling it out. They’re throwing punches, rocks, trees, surfboards literally anything they can get their hands on. Unfortunately, it spills onto the beach, and Jen and Hulk crash into the bar. Now they’ve gotta fix it.

Licking their wounds, Hulk concedes and tells his cousin that if she wants to go back to her job as a lawyer he respects that.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Everything here is fine.

Now She-Hulk can stomp those who were previously spite matched against her

 

[LMalone22]

just one vote from staff then can be applied?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

just one vote from staff then can be applied?

No, for the most basic CRTs you need 2. For something that seems quite controversial for something like this needs more votes

 

[LMalone22]

No, for the most basic CRTs you need 2. For something that seems quite controversial for something like this needs more votes

So now it's can be applied?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

No

 

[Dereck03]

Aye, this seems reasonable.

 

[RoTt35]

I think I've already applied all the changes, although there are some profiles that have Self-Sustenance without justification so I didn't add the Ice Resistance to them as I don't know if they have it for surviving in space or something else

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Closing then