Ben 10 Addition Part idk

[Lort15]

Upchuck:
- BFR and Sealing: (the stomach can be used as storage which mean it can seal the oppent in his stomach, as shown here, here and here)


Diamondhead:
- Molecular Matter Manipulation: (can create crystal walls and slides by manipulating different minerals in the air)


Brainstorm:
- Analytical Prediction (predicted who is going to attack in the fight and the whole fight, also predicted when the vengers will quit about playing superheros)

Frankenstrike:
- Regeneration Low-Mid (can regenerate parts and heal from even serious injures that are almost fatal)

Alien x:

- Resistance to Elemental Manipulation (Mother Celestialsapien body was unaffacted by Aggregor's elemental attacks)

- Resistance to Vibration Manipulation (Mother Celestialsapien's body wasn't harmed by Aggregor's vibration manip)

Gravvatack:

- Passive Radiation (each with a spinning core of powerful nuclear energy located in the center of its abdomen)

Omnitrix:

• Dimensional Storage (Its inside is a pocket realm much bigger than its outside, Ultimatrix's pocket realm as shown here)
• Pocket Reality Manipulation for Ben (Ben's mind controls Ultimatrix's pocket realm)
• Power bestowal and Statistics Amplification (Allowed Ben's aliens to perform stats and abilities far above their capabilities, such as Feedback being able to react to the Big Bang "Big Bang has Immeasurable speed" and Ghostfreak phasing through Vilgax's punch without noticing it "instictive action", these feats were never performed from their own species before, such as Z'skayr)

Agree: Firestorm808 (as shown here), Reiner04 (same as firestorm)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[DemonicDude]

Agree with everything expect the following.
Sealing for upchuck and Passive Radiation. I don't agree with these two. Has these been seen in the show? since it's from script. So I'm not agreeing right now on these two things.
Something else I don't agree with is
Power Nullification or Limited Power Nullification for Omnitrix to be precise. since it hasn't done this on other species.
Don't agree with Resurrection either. That's a completely different ability. Omnitrix having DNA to transform into a specie and bringing a deceased person back are "two different" things.

Ben would have to resurrect Sir George to have such a power.

Dragon is a deity in Ben 10 who resurrected my wives father so he's a prime example of someone having Resurrection ability.

 

[Lort15]

Agree with everything expect Sealing for upchuck and has Passive been seen in the show? since it's from script. So I'm not agreeing right now on these two things.

what about the feats i've been give for upchuck, also scripts aren't canon or smth?

Limited - Power Nullification for Omnitrix to be precise, since it hasn't done this on other species.

yes limited fits better i suppose, it's based on the DNA repair but also it feels like purification

 

[Hellformer]

Diamondhead:
- Matter Manipulation: (can create crystal walls and slides by manipulating different minerals in the air)

Specifically Molecular Matter Manipulation

Frankenstrike:
- Regeneration (can regenerate parts and heal from even serious injures that are almost fatal)

Specifically Low-Mid regen if I'm not wrong

Omnitrix:

- Purrification or Power Nullification (removed the affects of xenocite's which can corrupt their oppents)

Purification

• Ressurection (with Omnitrix Ben has the power to return to live any species, including the Human race, also shown here)

This isn't Resurrection, because a certain living being that has died, isn't brought back to life; instead, only the species of that being can be revived.

Everything else is fine

 

[Lort15]

This isn't Resurrection, because a certain living being that has died, isn't brought back to life; instead, only the species of that being can be revived.

how is that not ressurection? it's bringing races back to live if they get killed by highbreed invasion which is ressurection it doesn't matter if it is not single, omnitrix did ressurect ben in the second proof too that's why chromastone has ressurection in his own profile

 

[DemonicDude]

That's just Omnitrix fail safe.

and Transformation ability.

 

[Lort15]

That's just Omnitrix fail safe.

and Transformation ability.

transformation doesn't make someone bring back to live, and omnitrix failsafe worked different in that scene not like in omniverse, also since when are we counting derrick's statements as canon

 

[DemonicDude]

transformation doesn't make someone bring back to live, and omnitrix failsafe worked different in that scene not like in omniverse

Ben died ?

 

[Lort15]

Ben died ?

yh do you think chromastone seems like alive in that scene

 

[DemonicDude]

yh do you think chromastone seems like alive in that scene

The Codon Stream gives access to DNA so it's not like Omnitrix brought his soul back. It's a fair assumption that Codon stream still had somehow DNA to bring back Chromastone.

Codon Stream

The Codon Stream is a liquid database containing the DNA of sapient beings from across the Milky Way and beyond, housing a total of 1,000,910 DNA samples.[note 1] It was created by Azmuth to be used to link transformations to the prototype Omnitrix and Ultimatrix. The Codon Stream is a system of...

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Plus my goddess killed him and Omnitrix didn't just magically tried to prevent Ben's SOUL from being sucky out of his body.

 

[Lort15]

The Codon Stream gives access to DNA so it's not like Omnitrix brought his soul back. It's a fair assumption that Codon stream still had somehow DNA to bring back Chromastone.

Codon Stream

The Codon Stream is a liquid database containing the DNA of sapient beings from across the Milky Way and beyond, housing a total of 1,000,910 DNA samples.[note 1] It was created by Azmuth to be used to link transformations to the prototype Omnitrix and Ultimatrix. The Codon Stream is a system of...

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The soul wasn't destroyed in the scene btw

Plus my goddess killed him and Omnitrix didn't just magically tried to prevent Ben's SOUL from being sucky out of his body.

the ressurection is low godly not mid godly

 

[DemonicDude]

I'll let @Reiner04 handle this, she knows about this way better than me.

 

[Lort15]

I'll let @Reiner04 handle this, she knows about this way better than me.

she? nah what

 

[DemonicDude]

she? nah what

 

[GeneralSol16]

Plus my goddess killed him and Omnitrix didn't just magically tried to prevent Ben's SOUL from being sucky out of his body.

That was the Ultimatrix, not the Omnitrix.
A different model, directly stayed to be less advanced and lacking features of the original Omnitrix.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Agree with everything except for Upchuck's sealing, the Omnitrix's resurrection and Purification for the Omnitrix is already accepted here.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Agree with everything except for Upchuck's sealing, the Omnitrix's resurrection and Purification for the Omnitrix is already accepted here.

Really? It should have been already added then.

 

[DemonicDude]

That was the Ultimatrix, not the Omnitrix.
A different model, directly stayed to be less advanced and lacking features of the original Omnitrix.

Less Advanced ≠ Less hax.

Would be same as saying Omnitrix is less hax than Naljian Destructor. because it's Level 20 Tech compared to "At least Level 20 tech"

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Really? It should have been already added then.

The CRT needs to close first, right?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Less Advanced ≠ Less hax.

Would be same as saying Omnitrix is less hax than Naljian Destructor. because it's Level 20 Tech compared to "At least Level 20 tech"

The Ultimatrix is stated to lack abilities than the recalibrated had, so yes, less advanced = less hax.

Especially since they're not hax, but functions and mechanisms.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Plus my goddess killed him and Omnitrix didn't just magically tried to prevent Ben's SOUL from being sucky out of his body.

 

[DemonicDude]

The Ultimatrix is stated to lack abilities than the recalibrated had, so yes, less advanced = less hax.

Stated where scan?
less advanced DOES NOT equal = less hax
those are two different terms and i'm not even going to try and make you agree with me as it's not my intention.
Less advances you could imply

• Power
• Control
• Stability
• Less Durability

and several things. Fail safe defense mechanim is a different in function as appose to those 4.
Infact in Ultimate alien we saw Ben getting crushed in "human form" and transforming back, the Ultimatrix sound playing several seconds infact a minute later after he was crushed by concrete.

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This is already more impressive and advance than Classic and Alien Force recalibrated watch. (Infact Azmuth on screen can say 50 TIMES that Ultimatrix sucks as long as he specifically does not state it's "Fail-safe function" is less impressive then we should not accept that at least in Fail safe matters. In general Characters statements can be proven wrong several times)

According to many Admin and Mod's stance on Ben 10 as a verse I have seen in the past "They go by visuals on screen"

Tho this could be Genetic Duplication or something as we can't assume his Soul was wiped. (or Transformation Failsafe of sorts)
And as seen in the video the Transformation music played After his human body getting crushed and on top of that, Ben in "human form" spoke "You completely forgot about" in human voice post-crushed.

So in short Azmuth can say whatever he wants. This is the same Azmuth who:

1. Gave up on Saving the Universe
2. Gave up on Saving his planet
3. Argued Ben can't win stand a chance against Aggregor

(Until Ben proved him wrong)
The burden of proof is on you tell Ultimatrix failsafe is less advance espically when all three Pre-Calibrated, Post-Calibrated and Ulimatrix can all three be hacked.

 

[Lort15]

The CRT needs to close first, right?

you can add the approved things if the crt time passed 48 hours

 

[Lort15]

Stated where scan?
less advanced DOES NOT equal = less hax
those are two different terms and i'm not even going to try and make you agree with me as it's not my intention.
Less advances you could imply

• Power
• Control
• Stability
• Less Durability

and several things. Fail safe defense mechanim is a different in function as appose to those 4.
Infact in Ultimate alien we saw Ben getting crushed in "human form" and transforming back, the Ultimatrix sound playing several seconds infact a minute later after he was crushed by concrete.

---

This is already more impressive and advance then Classic and Alien Force recalibrated watch. (Infact Azmuth on screen can say 50 TIMES that Ultimatrix sucks as long as he specifically does not state it's "Fail-safe function" is less impressive we should not accept that. Characters statements can be proven wrong several times)

According to many Admin and Mod's stance on Ben 10 as a verse I have seen in the past "They go by visuals on screen"

tho this could be Genetic Duplication or something as we can't assume his Soul was wiped. (or Transformation Failsafe of sorts)
And as seen in the video the Transformation music played After his getting crushed and on top of the Ben in "human form" spoke "You completely forgot about"
So in short Azmuth can say whatever he wants. This is the same Azmuth who:

1. Gave up on Saving the Universe
2. Gave up on Saving his planet
3. Argued Ben can't win stand a chance against Aggregor

(Until Ben proved him wrong)
The burden of proof is on you tell Ultimatrix failsafe is less advance espically when all three Pre-Calibrated, Post-Calibrated and Ulimatrix can all three be hacked.

both of you are fighting over nothing now i didn't see that got approved already in celestial's crt

 

[DemonicDude]

both of you are fighting

Since when did debating on debate site became fight ?
I gave my arugment (with scans). He gave his, There is no malice.

 

[Lort15]

Since when did debating on debate site became fight ?
I gave my arugment (with scans). He gave his, There is no malice.

ah don't get me wrong english isn't my first language i mean both of you are debating over nothing

 

[DemonicDude]

ah don't get me wrong english isn't my first language i mean both of you are debating over nothing

If I said anything wrong and not fair then fine. i'm pressing Unwatch button @Firestorm808 and @Reiner04 are knowleagle Staff who can deal with this.

 

[Lort15]

If I said anything wrong and not fair then fine. i'm pressing Unwatch button @Firestorm808 and @Reiner04 are knowleagle Staff who can deal with this.

nope your arguments were ok it's just you guys are debating over ressurection which is already accepted in another crt it's my fault to add it, so the point of the discussion isn't belongs to this crt anymore it's compeletly irrelevant now

 

[Lort15]

ressurection and purification is now deleted from the crt (didn't notice before that they got accepted in another crt)

 

[DemonicDude]

you...

 

[Muteki616]

except for Upchuck's sealing

why?

The scans are pretty cut and clear for sealing.

 

[Lort15]

why?

The scans are pretty cut and clear for sealing.

real

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

why?

The scans are pretty cut and clear for sealing.

Because Upchuck isn't Sealing things on his stomach. The things he eat are instead BFR'd to a Transpatial Bladder Dimension. Essentially, Dimensional BFR.

 

[Firestorm808]

Upchuck:
- BFR and Sealing: (the stomach can be used as storage which mean it can seal the oppent in his stomach, as shown here, here and here)

BFR via Dimension Travel/hole only

Diamondhead:
- Matter Manipulation: (can create crystal walls and slides by manipulating different minerals in the air)

Limited Matter Manip (Minerals)

Brainstorm:
- Analytical Prediction (predicted who is going to attack in the fight and the whole fight, also predicted when the vengers will quit about playing superhero)

Sure.

Frankenstrike:
- Regeneration (can regenerate parts and heal from even serious injures that are almost fatal)

I suppose? Not sure if this was in the show too.

Alien x:

- Resistance to Elemental Manipulation (Mother Celestialsapien body was unaffacted by Aggregor's elemental attacks)

I suppose.

- Resistance to Vibration Manipulation (Mother Celestialsapien's body wasn't harmed by Aggregor's vibration manip)

I suppose.

Gravvatack:

- Passive Radiation (each with a spinning core of powerful nuclear energy located in the center of its abdomen)

Unless the radiation can be felt or projected from outside the body, I wouldn't consider adding an ability for it.

Omnitrix:

- Purrification or Power Nullification (removed the affects of xenocite's which can corrupt their oppents)

• Ressurection (with Omnitrix Ben has the power to return to live any species, including the Human race, also shown here)
  • Not really. It can bring a race in general back by modifying existing lifeforms. However, if Max died, the Omnitrix alone couldn't bring Max back from the dead.
• Dimensional Storage (Its inside is a pocket realm much bigger than its outside, Ultimatrix's pocket realm as shown here)
  • I suppose. We also have the digital worlds it makes.
• Pocket Reality Manipulation for Ben (Ben's mind controls Ultimatrix's pocket realm)
  • Is there an example of what he can do?
• Power bestowal and Statistics Amplification (Allowed Ben's aliens to perform stats and abilities far above their capabilities, such as Feedback being able to react to the Big Bang "Big Bang has Immeasurable speed" and Ghostfreak phasing through Vilgax's punch without noticing it "instictive action", these feats were never performed from their own species before, such as Z'skayr)
  • Not really.

 

[Lort15]

• Pocket Reality Manipulation for Ben (Ben's mind controls Ultimatrix's pocket realm)
  • Is there an example of what he can do?

his mind is just gatekeeping the ultimates in it and he freed ultimates with sacrifacing himself so nothing much i guess

• Power bestowal and Statistics Amplification (Allowed Ben's aliens to perform stats and abilities far above their capabilities, such as Feedback being able to react to the Big Bang "Big Bang has Immeasurable speed" and Ghostfreak phasing through Vilgax's punch without noticing it "instictive action", these feats were never performed from their own species before, such as Z'skayr)
  • Not really.

why so? i mean Feedback's reaction speed is comparable to other aliens like swampfire or kickin hawk i don't see another way how he reacted to big bang and absorbed it, same goes for Ghostfreak he was surprised from that ability he performed and omnitrix transformed him into ghostfreak to avoid attack

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

• Pocket Reality Manipulation for Ben (Ben's mind controls Ultimatrix's pocket realm)
  • Is there an example of what he can do?

Ben's mind just controls the Omnitrix, rather than the 'space inside it'. We often see this with him transforming without touching the device and transforming back to Ben when knocked unconscious. Could this work as limited Technology Manipulation?

 

[jgms2008]

I agree with almost everything except this:

Power bestowal and Statistics Amplification (Allowed Ben's aliens to perform stats and abilities far above their capabilities, such as Feedback being able to react to the Big Bang "Big Bang has Immeasurable speed" and Ghostfreak phasing through Vilgax's punch without noticing it "instictive action", these feats were never performed from their own species before, such as Z'skayr)

 

[Greenshifter]

We often see this with him transforming without touching the device

When?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

When?

All instances of him having Master Control and sometimes without Master Control. Either way, it shows there's a mental connection between Ben and the Omnitrix.

 

[jgms2008]

All instances of him having Master Control and sometimes without Master Control. Either way, it shows there's a mental connection between Ben and the Omnitrix.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the Omnitrix also has an AI, right? That's why the Omnitrix controlled Ben's hand in the EP Singlehanded.

Singlehanded

Singlehanded is the seventh episode of the second season of Ben 10: Alien Force, and the thirty-third episode overall. A bounty hunter is hot on Ben, but when he gets his chance to remove the Omnitrix from Ben's wrist, he sends Ben deep into the Null Void![CN 1] While Ben as Spidermonkey is...

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