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Aragorn vs an Irish Scholar (7/0/0)

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Both are 9-B physically (2 Megajoules vs 1.58 Megajoules in Aragorn's favor)

High 7-A and higher is restricted.

Occam has prior knowledge on Aragorn's experience

Occam has his pistol and Aragorn has a steel sword

Battle takes place in the Council of Thirteen's Chamber in Skavenblight

Start 10 meters away

Speed Equalized

Aragorn: 7

Occam O'Connell: 0

They bond over how crap their respective settings are to live in: 0
 
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Seems like a tough fight for Occam, depending on how well he can use his abilities.

I reckon Aragorn will likely win this, being much older and wiser and there being a fair amount of unknowns about Occam's abilities.
 
Seems like a tough fight for Occam, depending on how well he can use his abilities.

I reckon Aragorn will likely win this, being much older and wiser and there being a fair amount of unknowns about Occam's abilities.
Would it be more fair if I gave him general prior knowledge?
 
I think so, since Occam does use guns, I think that would probably help him out and even the battle
Changed everything, also swapped Occam's prior knowledge to be on Aragorn's experience
 
How does Occam's hax work like here?
Subjective Reality, Conceptual Manipulation, Reality Warping, Power Nullification and More (The Consensus is controlled by Humans and their belief of what will exist in reality, anything which does not fall into the Consensus is either ejected to another compatible Universe, erased from reality or inflicted with a devastating Paradox backlash
That only applies to supernatural forces, like Magick. Aragorn won't be properly affected by those passives since he's not throwing a fireball(and even if he was, Occam would assume it's sorcery since he's in the know.)
 
Haven't had time to give this a proper look over yet, but you might want to specify if Aragorn has a steel sword or not.

Otherwise the default is he's fighting with burning wooden torches if Andúril is restricted.
 
Haven't had time to give this a proper look over yet, but you might want to specify if Aragorn has a steel sword or not.

Otherwise the default is he's fighting with burning wooden torches if Andúril is restricted.
Yeah he's going to have a sword if Occam is equipped with a ******* gun lol
 
So how exactly does Occam fight or his solar sorcery work? My searches just inform me that it's kinda like Hamon.
 
So how exactly does Occam fight
He shoots his gun. Besides that, a Melee who aims to incapacitate with his abilities rather than kill. Should also note they're in a pretty decent chamber for combat, though admittedly there isn't a lot of art for the council of thirteen's chamber.
his solar sorcery work? My searches just inform me that it's kinda like Hamon.
Think of Solar Sorcery as Hamon but seemingly without the breathing requirement and actually having more than touching range. It also doesn't dura neg unless you're a vampire.
 
Well going in this with a dearth of knowledge, but surprise surprise, the LotR guy votes Aragorn. Mostly working off the profiles so we'll see how my argument holds up.

So to begin, Aragorn's enhanced senses and telepathy allow him to be constantly aware of his surroundings and know what Occam's moves will be ahead of time. This couples with Aragorn's blessed agility, which makes him have immense self-control over bodily actions + very very hard to take off guard.
  • Telepathy + these enhancements in particular will help deal with range and in closing the gap.
    • Aragorn's sheath also makes his weapon invulnerable, so that's a nice in addition tool to deflect shots.
  • Also very handy for melee, especially since Occam lacks suitable counterparts.
Martial Arts vs Weapon Mastery. Idk enough really, but I'll just assume Occam is a solid enough warrior, but his listed feats don't seem to rival the one man army Aragorn is, with him surpassing all other mortal warriors and regularly facing multiple foes at once and always coming out unscathed (not hurt once in the Books).
  • Have only seen Chapter 4, so maybe I'm missing something.

Supernatural Willpower should nullify the Elendilmir's occasional bouts of FM. Unsure how it deals with EM, but I'll say it'll at least nullify the worst of Aragorn's awe, so he should be able to at least meet Aragorn's eyes and avoid the brief stun.

Solar Sorcery is interesting however:
  • Light Manip seems to mostly be a visual thing on both sides. Aragorn (I really need to add tabs to his profile) can produce light via the Elendilmir and Occam has his solar sorcery. Occam's is more reliable and regular however. But temporarily blinding Aragorn won't take away his telepathy or his constant awareness of his surroundings.
  • Radiation Manip is nasty but seems to only cause pain? Aragorn can willpower through that for certain.
  • Electric Manip is nasty however. It doesn't seem to be Occam's go to judging from Reaper's comments tho, but it is a solid tool. Seems to be contact only however and that's very difficult here.

Overall voting Aragorn for just general superiority I suppose. It's not a stomp, Occam has elec manip if he can grab Aragorn and there is a rare occasion where Aragorn gets shot. I suppose 8/10 for Aragorn personally.
 
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Occam can fairly solidly stomp vampires, even with how fast he is, if a Ghoul can overpower him, a Vampire would slaughter him in melee, so skill+Solar Sorcery helps him with them. He's not super Aragorn-level skilled, but he is pretty solid.

As for Aragorn willing through the solar sorcery... D has Rank 9 willpower AKA Supernatural Willpower, and the incredible pain tolerance that comes with that... and Occam still floored him. D later comments that his brain is still brimming with radiation, hence why it's dura neg too.

Edit: D is the same guy who had his head split open and was completely fine with the pain, pretty much not moving because he was incapped, I won't say more on his pain tolerance till you watch Episode 5 though.
 
As for Aragorn willing through the solar sorcery... D has Rank 9 willpower AKA Supernatural Willpower, and the incredible pain tolerance that comes with that... and Occam still floored him. D later comments that his brain is still brimming with radiation, hence why it's dura neg too.

Edit: D is the same guy who had his head split open and was completely fine with the pain, pretty much not moving because he was incapped, I won't say more on his pain tolerance till you watch Episode 5 though.
Interesting. Definitely a powerful tool then, especially since it's just a gesture + second to active.

I'd still say Aragorn arguably can willpower through it. Aragorn is > all other mortals in will during the WotR and many in LotR have Supernatural Willpower. This includes Denethor who wrestled with Sauron in battle of mental strength and will, with Aragorn outright doing what Denethor could not and defeating Sauron. Sauron having outright rendered Pippin catatonic in comparison until Gandalf helped him recover.

Granted, this isn't clean cut as the Palantiri network favors those with higher legitimacy and right, hence why Sauron didn't crush them, but the main point is that Aragorn's willpower is very high.

I'd still favour Aragorn regardless, it doesn't seem to be a go to move of Occam's afterall, but more of a 7/10 now.
 
Interesting. Definitely a powerful tool then, especially since it's just a gesture + second to active.

I'd still say Aragorn arguably can willpower through it. Aragorn is > all other mortals in will during the WotR and many in LotR have Supernatural Willpower. This includes Denethor who wrestled with Sauron in battle of mental strength and will, with Aragorn outright doing what Denethor could not and defeating Sauron. Sauron having outright rendered Pippin catatonic in comparison until Gandalf helped him recover.
TBF, Delirium did that to Spit, completely rendering him comatose.
Granted, this isn't clean cut as the Palantiri network favors those with higher legitimacy and right, hence why Sauron didn't crush them, but the main point is that Aragorn's willpower is very high.
What's the best pain tolerance thing in LotR?
I'd still favour Aragorn regardless, it doesn't seem to be a go to move of Occam's afterall, but more of a 7/10 now.
Sort of is when he's feeling pressured at all(especially with Prior knowledge of Aragorn's experience)
 
What's the best pain tolerance thing in LotR?
In general? Well Maedhros got tortured for decades on end and was still coherent + quickly recovered and went back to war but that's not relevant to non Elves.

Gollum was tortured by Sauron for years and managed to escape Mordor, albeit with ptsd from fire among other things.

Pippin's mental torture from Sauron is brief but is extreme enough that it does render him catatonic. He describes it as if he's falling apart.
  • "It was cruel. It was like being stabbed with knives. I struggled. But he said: ‘‘Wait a moment! We shall meet again soon. Tell Saruman that this dainty is not for him. I will send for it at once. Do you understand? Say just that!’’ ‘Then he gloated over me. I felt I was falling to pieces. No, no! I can’t say any more. I don’t remember anything else.’"
Frodo suffers from the magical wound caused by a Morgul blade in his shoulders for 14 days and despite that, takes a stand against all 9 of the Nazgul and takes out his sword to challenge them and almost stabbed the Witch-King in the foot. Shame the Witch-King used a spell to stop him from being able to talk and broke his weapon.
  • The wound being quite severe since it would not heal properly (even if it physically closed), flaring up whenever the Nazgul are near (even once Elrond heals it the phantom pain lasts until Frodo goes to Valinor) + Frodo was turning into a undead Wraith the entire time due to it.
  • The wound was constantly getting more painful, though briefly improving when Glorfindel touches it.
  • Frodo and Sam later do some pretty impressive endurance stuff, but that's also regarding the Ring and Aragorn can't really compete in that area.
Boromir gets shot by many arrows (unknown amount but more than the Movies. There were a hundred+ orcs and many of them kept shooting only at Boromir (who had no shield so must have been shot a lot). This is probably the main one to compare to as Boromir is pierced by a rain of arrows repeatedly and keeps fighting until he can't. Even then, he still tries to pluck them out to keep fighting and has enough energy left to speak a final conversation with Aragorn later.
  • "But they had not gone far on the way back when they were attacked again, by a hundred Orcs at least, some of them very large, and they shot a rain of arrows: always at Boromir. Boromir had blown his great horn till the woods rang, and at first the Orcs had been dismayed and had drawn back; but when no answer but the echoes came, they had attacked more fiercely than ever. Pippin did not remember much more. His last memory was of Boromir leaning against a tree, plucking out an arrow; then darkness fell suddenly."

Some extra stuff:
  • Denethor burns himself alive and only lets out one final scream... but the bugger was insane at this point.
  • Theoden gets crushed by his horse and is dying, but doesn't show any sign of pain. Even has a final talk with Merry, albeit with great effort. But it isn't unheard of for people to feel no pain while dying from such wounds irl.




But facing Sauron in general is honestly just a very impressive willpower feat. Sauron and Morgoth have passive FM so severe that the fear quite literally either renders your soul powerless or even cause it to flee the body (even some of those who resist it faint)... however, this is not on profile yet so fie for shame. Yet that couples with the EM of Sauron and on profile he currently has the same EM that overrides a person's free will.
  • "For it is recorded in the histories that Morgoth, and Sauron after him, would drive out the fëa by terror, and then feed the body and make it a beast. Or worse: he would daunt the fëa within the body and reduce it to impotence..."
  • "So great was the horror of his approach that Huan leaped aside. Then Sauron sprang upon Lúthien; and she swooned before the menace of the fell spirit in his eyes and the foul vapour of his breath."
If anything having the willpower to endure a duel with Sauron overshadows most pain tolerance feats in the Legendarium.
Sort of is when he's feeling pressured at all(especially with Prior knowledge of Aragorn's experience)
Missed that part about knowing Aragorn's experiences. Hmm.

Well his go to move from the series was to first blitz and then try to electrocute. The radiation thing was explicitly used against someone he has personal issues with and that was second. Aragorn would also know what move Occam does first regardless.

I'm still leaning to a Aragorn win so my vote is there, but I will admit that is a good trump card. Sticking to a 7/10 personal rating. Maybe 6/10.
 
Yeah, I've argued the best I can, I'm happy to whittle down the rating to a low 7/10 maybe high 6/10 shots on the matter, that makes 2/0/0
 
It was convincing ngl. Nice match up btw, got some new material to watch out of it.
Thankfully Occam is pretty easy to match, just take away his High 7-A and he's a decently nasty but still very fightable 9-B guy in a spot where he can fight a majority of the tier.

Now time to make you fight Warcraft
 
So the biggest thing is that, the Consensus won't do anything. As both contestants have full belief and immersion in supernatural possibilites (Magic[k], orcs, sorcery) in their verses.
So unf no High Outerverse nullification shenanigans.

Honestly, the biggest thing this match comes down to is Occam's Sorcery. Along with him having to keep his distance. As while Occam has marital arts, Aragorn is just That Guy.

Aragorn does have his Empathic Manipulation to cause awe, but maybe Occam can get past that with his Supernatural Willpower?
 
So the biggest thing is that, the Consensus won't do anything. As both contestants have full belief and immersion in supernatural possibilites (Magic[k], orcs, sorcery) in their verses.
So unf no High Outerverse nullification shenanigans.
I mean no shit, Occam isn't about to look at a man with a sword in the eye and say it's not believable lmfao
Honestly, the biggest thing this match comes down to is Occam's Sorcery. Along with him having to keep his distance. As while Occam has marital arts, Aragorn is just That Guy.
Really it depends on how Aragorn responds to getting shot at, sorcery only helps so much when the other guy can dismantle you with skill.
Aragorn does have his Empathic Manipulation to cause awe, but maybe Occam can get past that with his Supernatural Willpower?
Almost certainly, he can look at a Crinos Form Garou and be physically unaffected lol
 
Seeing that speed is equalized, how will the pistol work. Would it just blitz Aragorn, can he block/dodge it.

Cus Speed equalization is usually equalized to the lower character.

Occam is Subsonic... while Aragorn can be Superhuman to Supersonic+ to Hypersonic

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc.
 
Seeing that speed is equalized, how will the pistol work. Would it just blitz Aragorn, can he block/dodge it.

Cus Speed equalization is usually equalized to the lower character.

Occam is Subsonic... while Aragorn can be Superhuman to Supersonic+ to Hypersonic
Aim dodging exists. Aragorn has telepathy and the skill to fight in a war full of people who can harm him without being harmed once. Also, Occam doesn't have Weapon Mastery.
 
Aim dodging exists. Aragorn has telepathy and the skill to fight in a war full of people who can harm him without being harmed once. Also, Occam doesn't have Weapon Mastery.
To be fair, he wouldn't know to aim dodge a gun.

I still don't think Occam wins, but I do think Aragorn probably takes a bullet of two from sheer surprise factor.
 
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