Smooth DBS stuff

[TiltedFN]

That doesn’t really affect my suggestion though? At no point did I suggest making the wedding arc canon to the manga, I just said that DB Kai continues from the DB manga, based off of the statement from the producer, but anything from the DB anime that Kai references can be considered canon to Kai itself.

What do you mean, "considered canon to kai itself"? DBZ Kai takes place after the original dragon ball anime, yes it's more manga accurate, and it's pacing is better, but it still contains elements from the original show. Why are you taking the producer statement and extrapolating it into something completely different? Like trying to say it doesn't continue from the original anime, or the wedding just being manga canon now. That doesn't really make any sense.

 

[LordTracer]

Why are you taking the producer statement and extrapolating it into something completely different?

The producer statement literally only compares Kai to the manga. At no point does it say Kai is continuing off of the DB anime, or even mention the original anime at all.

Not to mention that the cosmology blog, in reference to the producer statement, says this:

DBZ Kai is accurate to Toriyama's original story, which can be used as evidence to say that Kai is canon to Toriyama's works.

Which is it? You can’t say it’s meant to continue off of the anime while simultaneously saying it’s canon to Toriyama’s work, aka the manga.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

The producer statement literally only compares Kai to the manga. At no point does it say Kai is continuing off of the DB anime, or even mention the original anime at all.

Not to mention that the cosmology blog, in reference to the producer statement, says this:

Which is it? You can’t say it’s meant to continue off of the anime while simultaneously saying it’s canon to Toriyama’s work, aka the manga.

I mean it being compared to the manga doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The BoG movie is said to take place between chapters 519 of the DB manga and DBGT and it doesn’t mean GT is a literal continuation of the manga. For the first time, original author Akira Toriyama has been deeply involved in the production of "Dragon Ball of the World" from the script stage, and Toei Animation, which has consistently made Toriyama's work into a film, has decided to make it into a movie. For the first time, a chapter that occurred between "Z" and "GT" in the animation series, that is, the 10-year blank period up to chapter 518 after the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the original is drawn. All the familiar and attractive characters such as Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta will appear, and the story of the official history of Dragon Ball, which is neither a spin-off nor a side story, will be born that will satisfy children, parents, fans of the original work and anime fans. Like here BoG movie is said to take place between both the manga chapters and GT, but it doesn’t necessarily necessitate that this must continue from the manga.

Also it doesn’t tell us exactly which one it takes place after, the DB manga or DB anime, but there are things in Kai that are exclusive to the DB anime depicted in Kai, the same logic for Super. It’s never stated Super is a continuation of Kai, but there’s Kai only scenes in Super; therefore, it means that it continues off that similarly.

We’re merely saying it’s canon in the sense that it’s meant to be an adaptation of the original work. For example, this statement saying: The story up to "Super" is divided into six parts! If you want to know more about it, check out the original manga or the DVD. It literally cannot be be fully canon to Toriyama’s work because Toriyama’s manga is one DB manga consisting of 519 chapters, and Kai has many things like Buuhan threatening to destroy the Universe with outside space which isn’t present in the manga.

 

[Omegabronic]

I mean it being compared to the manga doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The BoG movie is said to take place between chapters 519 of the DB manga and DBGT and it doesn’t mean GT is a literal continuation of the manga. For the first time, original author Akira Toriyama has been deeply involved in the production of "Dragon Ball of the World" from the script stage, and Toei Animation, which has consistently made Toriyama's work into a film, has decided to make it into a movie. For the first time, a chapter that occurred between "Z" and "GT" in the animation series, that is, the 10-year blank period up to chapter 518 after the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the original is drawn. All the familiar and attractive characters such as Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta will appear, and the story of the official history of Dragon Ball, which is neither a spin-off nor a side story, will be born that will satisfy children, parents, fans of the original work and anime fans. Like here BoG movie is said to take place between both the manga chapters and GT, but it doesn’t necessarily necessitate that this must continue from the manga.

I mean... wouldn't this be then saying GT and the Manga are the same continuity where one continues from the other? Because... that does seem to be the implication, yeah

Also it doesn’t tell us exactly which one it takes place after, the DB manga or DB anime, but there are things in Kai that are exclusive to the DB anime depicted in Kai, the same logic for Super. It’s never stated Super is a continuation of Kai, but there’s Kai only scenes in Super; therefore, it means that it continues off that similarly.

Wasn't one of the statements literally that the DBS Anime was continuing the Anime of Dragon Ball and not the Manga? I remember than being in the OP you sent a few pages ago

We’re merely saying it’s canon in the sense that it’s meant to be an adaptation of the original work.

isn't that every single anime tho? I don't get this point

For example, this statement saying: The story up to "Super" is divided into six parts! If you want to know more about it, check out the original manga or the DVD.

what does this even mean?

It literally cannot be be fully canon to Toriyama’s work because Toriyama’s manga is one DB manga consisting of 519 chapters, and Kai has many things like Buuhan threatening to destroy the Universe with outside space which isn’t present in the manga.

I mean... the argument is being made for DB Classoc Manga, not DBZ Manga

 

[Killerdrone123]

Snip

I mean it being compared to the manga doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The BoG movie is said to take place between chapters 519 of the DB manga and DBGT and it doesn’t mean GT is a literal continuation of the manga. For the first time, original author Akira Toriyama has been deeply involved in the production of "Dragon Ball of the World" from the script stage, and Toei Animation, which has consistently made Toriyama's work into a film, has decided to make it into a movie. For the first time, a chapter that occurred between "Z" and "GT" in the animation series, that is, the 10-year blank period up to chapter 518 after the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the original is drawn. All the familiar and attractive characters such as Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta will appear, and the story of the official history of Dragon Ball, which is neither a spin-off nor a side story, will be born that will satisfy children, parents, fans of the original work and anime fans. Like here BoG movie is said to take place between both the manga chapters and GT, but it doesn’t necessarily necessitate that this must continue from the manga.

Also it doesn’t tell us exactly which one it takes place after, the DB manga or DB anime, but there are things in Kai that are exclusive to the DB anime depicted in Kai, the same logic for Super. It’s never stated Super is a continuation of Kai, but there’s Kai only scenes in Super; therefore, it means that it continues off that similarly.

We’re merely saying it’s canon in the sense that it’s meant to be an adaptation of the original work. For example, this statement saying: The story up to "Super" is divided into six parts! If you want to know more about it, check out the original manga or the DVD. It literally cannot be be fully canon to Toriyama’s work because Toriyama’s manga is one DB manga consisting of 519 chapters, and Kai has many things like Buuhan threatening to destroy the Universe with outside space which isn’t present in the manga.

^^

 

[TheNothing84]

Bump??

 

[LordTracer]

I think I’ve already made my stance clear. Kai is exclusively compared to the original Dragon Ball manga, one of the arguments that got Kai accepted in the first place was that it’s canon to Toriyama’s original story (aka the manga), so I think it should be treated as following off of the manga. Anything from the DB anime that is directly referenced in Kai or the DBS anime can be considered as canon, but I see no reason why every single bit of filler from the original anime should be usable.

At this point, I’m willing to just wait for other staff to give their opinions, as I’ve been the only one to comment since the thread’s been re-opened.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I think I’ve already made my stance clear. Kai is exclusively compared to the original Dragon Ball manga, one of the arguments that got Kai accepted in the first place was that it’s canon to Toriyama’s original story (aka the manga), so I think it should be treated as following off of the manga. Anything from the DB anime that is directly referenced in Kai or the DBS anime can be considered as canon, but I see no reason why every single bit of filler from the original anime should be usable.

At this point, I’m willing to just wait for other staff to give their opinions, as I’ve been the only one to comment since the thread’s been re-opened.

I know, but I’m trying to show you that everything has been compared to Toriyama’s original manga. In my post above, I even showed you GT is compared with DB’s OG manga, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that the show continues from the manga. I’m applying that same logic with Kai, in which we see anime exclusive scenes that aren’t canon to the manga, but to combat this we’re saying that it should be exclusive to Kai itself when it comes from the classic DB anime. The piece of material I’m trying to add, is something also shown in the Chozenshuu 4 and Daizenshuu and it’s listed the same way other Kai exclusive things are inputted.

Kai literally wasn’t even used on this wiki, and we assumed both versions of Super were continuations of solely the manga. The only reason that changed in the thread is because there’s anime exclusive scenes. Maybe there could be some wiggle room with a possibly/likely.

Yeah, hopefully we can get more staff discussion on this, can you ping some staff for us? That would be great.

 

[TheNothing84]

Cant we just treated to dbz kai as the continuations of both? (Db manga and Db anime)

 

[Omegabronic]

I think I’ve already made my stance clear. Kai is exclusively compared to the original Dragon Ball manga, one of the arguments that got Kai accepted in the first place was that it’s canon to Toriyama’s original story (aka the manga), so I think it should be treated as following off of the manga. Anything from the DB anime that is directly referenced in Kai or the DBS anime can be considered as canon, but I see no reason why every single bit of filler from the original anime should be usable.

At this point, I’m willing to just wait for other staff to give their opinions, as I’ve been the only one to comment since the thread’s been re-opened.

may you tag them again then? To make sure they didn't just forgot about the thread see this happening sometimes

 

[TheNothing84]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I don't know anything DB Canonocity, so I won't comment on that. But everything else in the Cosmolgoy makes sense to me.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I don't know anything DB Canonocity, so I won't comment on that. But everything else in the Cosmolgoy makes sense to me.

Just to remove any confusion some people have, what is your stance on the guide books/The DragonBall Official Site being used for Supers continuity?

For reference a lot of already accepted information/Techniques are explained in the Chozenshuu. Like Buuhans outside space attack, The Time Room, the subspace location, heavens size etc.

 

[Omegabronic]

Just to remove any confusion some people have, what is your stance on the guide books/The DragonBall Official Site being used for Supers continuity?

I think you need to be a little more specific here... which article of the site are you talking about? Some articles cover only the manga, some cover only the anime, feels confusing to just say "the site" without specifying

For reference a lot of already accepted information/Techniques are explained in the Chozenshuu. Like Buuhans outside space attack, The Time Room, the subspace location, heavens size etc.

They are accepted for the Toei continuity, no the manga continuity, each has the Star mark for "anime original" information, to clarify what it is accepted to

 

[Nierre]

Basically it’s regarding whether time room scan should be used:

Arguments for: Chozenshuu & Daizenshuu mention the time room so we should be able to use it for Kai; Kai continues off from DB Anime because it shows a scene from the wedding arc of Goku and Chi Chi which had Annin (who we currently accept is anime canon), wasn’t present in the manga showing that it has DB anime exclusive scenes; DB official site references the time room and that young roshi and crane master were revealed when Goku used the time room.

Arguments against: I believe the argument against the Chozenshuu & Daizenshuu statements was that it was merely a reference to DB anime; The wedding arc should now be considered canon, since Kai is meant to be more faithful and anything that Kai adapts should now be considered canon to the first portion of DB manga (even though they should realistically just be a point against it continuing from that portion, especially considering that we don’t accept this currently); DB official site statement of Toyataro doesn’t necessarily make it canon since the context of it is relating to a sketch.

The arguments against it will probably be accepted, but I just hope with it and allow Kai information to apply to the DB Manga then, and vice versa.

I mean it being compared to the manga doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The BoG movie is said to take place between chapters 519 of the DB manga and DBGT and it doesn’t mean GT is a literal continuation of the manga. For the first time, original author Akira Toriyama has been deeply involved in the production of "Dragon Ball of the World" from the script stage, and Toei Animation, which has consistently made Toriyama's work into a film, has decided to make it into a movie. For the first time, a chapter that occurred between "Z" and "GT" in the animation series, that is, the 10-year blank period up to chapter 518 after the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the original is drawn. All the familiar and attractive characters such as Krillin, Piccolo, and Vegeta will appear, and the story of the official history of Dragon Ball, which is neither a spin-off nor a side story, will be born that will satisfy children, parents, fans of the original work and anime fans. Like here BoG movie is said to take place between both the manga chapters and GT, but it doesn’t necessarily necessitate that this must continue from the manga.

Also it doesn’t tell us exactly which one it takes place after, the DB manga or DB anime, but there are things in Kai that are exclusive to the DB anime depicted in Kai, the same logic for Super. It’s never stated Super is a continuation of Kai, but there’s Kai only scenes in Super; therefore, it means that it continues off that similarly.

We’re merely saying it’s canon in the sense that it’s meant to be an adaptation of the original work. For example, this statement saying: The story up to "Super" is divided into six parts! If you want to know more about it, check out the original manga or the DVD. It literally cannot be be fully canon to Toriyama’s work because Toriyama’s manga is one DB manga consisting of 519 chapters, and Kai has many things like Buuhan threatening to destroy the Universe with outside space which isn’t present in the manga.

Completely lost interest in this thread but I feel bad for leaving this thread so I should at least voice my opinion then bounce.

After reading through the thread since being opened, I see myself agreeing with DBKai continuing off of the DB Anime, rather than the Manga. I believe the OPs arguments are more convincing and as such I'm also for the use of the time room scan.

 

[Reiner04]

After reading through the thread since being opened, I see myself agreeing with DBKai continuing off of the DB Anime, rather than the Manga. I believe the OPs arguments are more convincing and as such I'm also for the use of the time room scan.

I share same sentiments.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I share same sentiments.

okay then can you close this thread?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will close this thread out.