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really? huh, can you link the thread?
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To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...
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The OP of this thread doesn't seem to mention the Anime OG Dragon Ball at any point thoTo be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...vsbattles.com
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That thread is only to make Kai canon to the DBS anime, nothing about the original DB anime.To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...
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I think they're saying that Kai is a continuation of classic Dragon Ball anime (that's what i understood)
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I guess, that I solely remembered a comment on the third page, since it seems like we didn’t address whether it’d be from which one. I suppose I can just find the scans from Kai that show anime only scenes, since there’s scenes in Kai that don’t exist in the DB manga, and just deal with it here, no rush after all.
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This blog is very high quality, excellent job to those who worked on it! As a note, I intend to make edits to my own cosmology blogs sometime this week concerning the continuity issues that are being brought up now.
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Let me know when you make those edits, because as things currently stand, I see no reason why the Time Room stuff would be usable for the cosmology, and it doesn’t seem like the original DB anime was ever accepted as being usable for the DB Kai/DBS Anime continuity.
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Regardless, none of this would be usable for the DBS Manga continuity at all any way. So the blog should explain that difference as well
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Kai uses stuff from the DB Anime, that aren’t from the manga. Also, it was never accepted that Kai continued off of manga either, and chatting about this offsite there was never any crt that got Kai continuing from either DB Manga or DB Anime solidly. I think it’d be good to establish this here and I can send the scans of the DB anime scenes that aren’t present in the manga, to prove that Kai continues off of the Anime.
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Like what? IIRC the wedding filler arc stuff mentioned in this thread had stuff for it to be manga canon, so it wouldn't really count
I mean... the thread accepting it mentions how Kai tries to be as close as possible to the manga, if that has any merit
why haven't you already? Plus there is more to do:
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No wedding filler stuff isn't present in manga iirc it is something which is og anime only
Ah no,I think you misread my second counter argument it is countering how both DBZ kai and DBS anime have contradictions to manga or elements that are anime only despite the producers statements
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Not the point, i never said it was drawn in the manga, but that there is stuff for it to be canon @Nullflowerblush was the one who brought it up a while ago iirc
And it still says that Kai tried to be as close to the manga as possible... that is factually something in that OP
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Doesn't change the fact there are still contradictions in kai and DBS anime to og manga also doesn't change the fact that og db anime should follow DBZ kai but I guess it won't hurt to make a new crt with much more
Also I would like to see what makes the filler canon to manga
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when have i said otherwise?
there is no good evidence that it should to begin with
it was never accepted to begin with, and Ice said he would solve it here, so
found the post by Null, apparently it is included in the history section of the Daizenshuu
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You realise that you have literally linked anime only events like dead zone, garlic jr saga,arlia destruction, otherworld tournament.
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again, them being only animated and not drawn in the manga was not the point
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Because some things on the blog contain material from the classic Dragon Ball anime, the blog has already been accepted and although it will have to wait a little longer because the classic Dragon Ball anime is canon or else just someone else makes the crt to consider the classic Dragon Ball anime canon to Kai.
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Also because it would need to acomodate for the DBS Manga and its differences
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Send them here
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Manga cosmology would be handled in a different blog this one is anime only
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Then what is even your point,cause as it stands the filler isn't present in manga nor is canon the stuff you linked just tell us history of anime only events
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What does the manga have to do with an anime blog?
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yet the blog linked for the Hypertimeline uses Manga scans, and the Manga's cosmology is not much different outside of a few details, would feel a little redundant
That the scene talked in question is considered part of official chronology of the manga provided by Daizenshuu 7? That should be obvious in what i meant
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Off the dome,
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here with the wedding dress from An’nn from the mountain of five elements arc at the eng of OG DB (not present in the manga, dk why someone in the thread is arguing it is), there’s also this here using DB anime footage.
I’ll keep searching for more, but the fact that there’s DB anime OG scenes I feel definitely shifts it towards anime than randomly assuming it’s manga. I’ll try to keep finding more though, since the more scans the better.
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Yea but it would be better to do a separate blog as this one only deals with anime and has already been accepted as such
Yeah but same talks about anime only events like the otherworld sagaband garlic jr saga so if you meant they are also canon to manga which I don't think so the part is only refering to history of anime events
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... pretty sure this is from the Toei DBZ Anime, and not original OG DB Anime scenes
also DBS retconed this
because it is included in the official timeline for the manga... also how rude, you know my name
Also... this is a wedding scene, is anymore shown to say it isn't used just to represent the wedding?
Pretty sure those scenes are in the manga as well, simply showing animated scenes isn't really a good argument... an anime isn't going to show manga panels
You didn't answered my point tho... it would be redundant, most would be CRT C, CRC V, aka identical, it would be redundant
1 that part ia clearly talking about the manga timeline, else it would have included all the filler elements of the anime instead of just specific ones
2 "i don't think so" isn't really a rebuttal at all, it isn't even a point
3 if the ones in question doesn't contradict the manga... why wouldn't they be canon if it is said as much?
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Ah shoot you’re right idk what i was thinking for that i knew it was from something. That’s my mistake fs. Idek why i sent that now.
Second one, nah that scene is from after the Ann’nn and furnace of fire stuff from OG db. Ox King looks through some stuff and it’s the dress that Chi Chi’s mom wore. They get married and it shows that scene, theres no timeline on this, the one you listed earlier was including anime events including Garlic Jr. Unless we’re arguing Garlic Jr is canon now?? Also, i didn’t want call you out because i didn’t wanna seem condescending, so I’m surprised you’re more offended I didn’t mention you by name.
My argument isn’t that it’s animated, but that it’s using a flashback from OG DB specifically. For example, in Super we used it depicting Kai scenes from Goku vs Vegeta as an evidence of it continuing from kai I’m merely using that same logic here.
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ok then, fair enough, prob would be better to make it a gif with all those scenes just to be sure
Also... kind of? It lists events that happened in the timeline, if one event has no contradictions then i see no reason for said event to not be considered canon if it is indeed listed in the official timeline of events for the manga
I choose this name for a reason, i like the sound of it, and offended is not the right word, i was memeing a bit
Those are supporting at best, it is borderline stated to continue from Kai, and Anime only chars and events are directly mentioned, but no, an anime showing anime scenes for flashbacks isn't enough evidence on its own, unless it is like, original content that isn't part of the manga continuity to begin with, hence why Kai was dismissed as DBS Anime canon when only flashbacks of the prior anime were used as evidence
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The page is literally about the movies and animes and stuff like Otherworld tournament. We see Cooler on the page, and it gives a description of things from multiple movies. Also, if you read Null’s message it says “Goku and Chi-Chi wedding arc,” that arc is something that only happens in OG DB, and we see flashbacks of it in Kai & OG DB. If I were to take your stance too it literally mentions the pendulmn room as well.
I know, the purpose of it was to support the wedding stuff, since that scene comes from the wedding arc at the end of OG DB. I’m not using that flashback that Goku has in saiyan saga of OG DB as evidence alone.
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Nope, that section is the "Chronological Table of the Dragon Ball World" in Daizenshuu 7, it isn't about the movies and anime, but about the chronological events that happened in the world of Dragon Ball, nothing so specific as you are saying
As far as i can see, it only mentions a few movie characters and even fewer movie events, are you sure we are looking at the same thing?
Yeah, which is why i am arguing that it is manga canon to begin with... that is kind of the whole point
So what? Again, you do understand i am arguing that it is Manga canon to begin with, right?
which i am arguing was manga canon to begin with, yes
I don't think you could use it at all, it quite literally proves nothing... again, an Anime will obviously not use manga panels, they don't have much of a choice but to use what animation... in an animation series
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I’m pretty sure the thread is in regards to the Anime so this seems pretty irrelevant.
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Which we are now discussing if it is canon to Kai, yes. it is pretty relevant
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I mean yeah, but the page in specific has movies and anime events, such as Garlic Jr.
Apparently according to Null it has princess snake, the serpents, makyo star, fanfan, former earth guardian, dr lychee, hatch i yak, deadzone, garlic jr saga, other world tournament, and etc. (too many to name, and I kinda wish there was a translation since we’re kinda going off Null’s word of mouth rn)
I don’t think your argument for those 2 being canon is valid considering the contents of the page, but either way that would still lead to me being able to keep the scan in my blog. The only reason I was debating canonicity was so I could keep the scan, since that’s apart of my blog, but if I’m able to keep it anyway then I’d rather leave where Kai continues from inconclusive and leave it outta this thread if both conclusions allow me to keep my blog the way it is anyways.
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... so does it have manga events yes... again, why does that matter for the point?
Most of the characters are listed without their events in the movies or filler being mentioned, aka only the characters are canon, others cite the events, so the events are canon
I dunno why you keep listing the characters as if that changes the point i made to begin with
2? my argument is for the wedding arc being manga canon, i am not currently arguing for anything else
You mean the chronological timeline of the DB Manga's world? How's that a problem?
Not really, since the only OG DB Anime scene is the wedding arc, and that arc is canon to the Manga, the flashback from Kai doesn't prove the OG DB Anime is canon to it, as it is simply showing an event that equally happened in the Manga
not really? the element in question i think you are referring is not mentioned at all, how is the wedding arc of all things relevant for the cosmology?
also this is a very bad mindset, you should focus on what is accurate, regardless if the conclusion is the same
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Yeah, it tells us the date of when it happened. We see no manga depiction of the filler arc, nor anything saying it happened in the manga; it gives us dates for the other shit too.
My dude, you’re literally arguing those things are canon by, byproduct of saying they occurred in the manga.
Yeah and I’m saying there’s no proof this DB anime arc is canon.
It’s not the manga, that’s the point. We see the movies and stuff like otherworldly tournament.
Again you’re using a timeline that includes movie and non canon events to say the wedding arc is canon, plus I technically don’t even have to debate this point since it’s never been accepted that this specific anime only thing is canon.
I’m focused on accuracy of course, I’m not trying to add things that I believe are inaccurate/are inaccurate. I was merely trying to show that I was under the assumption that it was already accepted, which is why I didn’t add it to my blog otherwise I would have, but of course as we discovered there’s no concrete continuation accepted yet manga or anime.
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my dude, it is listing the events that happened in the world of the series in chronological order, that is even the whole point of the section to begin with, it does show manga events... it is literally listing all things that happened in the series up to that point
I am arguing that the wedding arc happened as it is listed as it having happened and has no contradictions, i am not arguing for anything else currently, i am talking about DB Part 1, not Part 2/DBZ, notice how i always go back to the wedding arc
Daizenshuu 7 literally listing it as having happened? Alongside all other events of the manga in a literal chronological timeline listing the events that happened in the series? Hello? Not believing in a proof =/= Not having proof, in this case, there very much is
Wrong, that is never the point i made, don't put words in my mouth
some characters and very few movie events you mean, i am neither arguing for them here, and you ignoring what i am actualling arguing for will do nothing
You are not even saying my point is wrong "The timeline for the events of the series include the wedding arc", you are just saying "But it includes X and Y", and i am... cool? So what? the wedding arc is still listed as being manga canon and having happened no matter what you say, doesn't even have contradictions
if it is a canon timeline listing the events that happened, then changes are that they are canon, you didn't really gave me a good reason to say the wedding arc is not canon
prove that it(or the rest) is non canon even tho daizenshuu say that they are and that it happened?
this is a content revision thread? it's purpose is to change stuff? this is a nothing point, you are using 1 thing to try and prove another thing, i am saying why it doesn't since it means this third thing, you have to debate this point as it is pivotal to what you are proposing to begin with
Not the point i made:
You said you didn't cared for the accurate answer as long as what you wanted to be accepted in the blog was kept, that is what i said was a bad precedent
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Again I’m not denying there’s manga events that it gives time periods too, but that doesn’t exclude the fact that there’s other stuff on that same page that isn’t merely manga events. Idk why you keep repeating yourself.
Theres no manga scans of the manga arc taking place, I’m obviously not denying that Goku and Chi Chi got married, but the scene of it we see in Kai is the one in OG DB, where after Goku and Chi Chi deal with Ann they get married.
Daizenshuu 7 is giving the time period of events that happened regardless of if they showed up in the manga, and again Null did not translate the scan, so it’s not even 100% certain that it talks about the wedding arc itself and could just be talking about them getting married. You’re entire argument is based off something we don’t even have the full translation of.
If that’s not the point you’re making then it really doesn’t matter, since it’s never shown or implied that the events of Ann took place in the manga.
No it’s not being listed as manga canon, my dude that’s the argument I’m attacking, it’s just giving periods of certain events which is why I’m emphasizing the anime and movies so much.
I’m saying that I don’t have to debate the fact that the wedding arc occurred in the manga because in the current profiles we currently accept it being an anime thing.
I literally told you what I meant by it; I restated what I meant by what I said how are you gonna tell me what I meant by what I said? I’m saying that I don’t care to argue for that specific point if both conclusions lead to the scan being incorporated in the blog anyway, since it seemed like you were arguing that it was canon to the manga. Of course, I’m arguing and I believe that Kai continues off of the anime, but I was saying that I didn’t care to finish that topic up in this thread if we can get that portion settled. I’m not proposing that I put inaccurate things onto my blog?
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Not sure what the point of this stonewalling is
This thread has been accepted, if one person disagrees, too bad
Just agree to disagree and move on
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