Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Do y'all think we'll get to see:

• The two missing Otsutsukis

Definitely, or at least some inkling on who they are.

• Naruto and Sasuke being brought back

Definitely.

• Shibai in action

Doubt, Ikemoto will probably use him the same way Hags was.

• Jura vs Naruto

Never happening

• Toneri

Yes, definitely in the anime at least.

• Kakashi

Yes

• Code vs Sasuke full flashback

This is an almost guaranteed extended fight in the anime, when it comes back.

• Daemon using full power

Yes

• Jougan

Yes

• KCM/BM Himawari

Nah

• MS/EMS Sarada

Next chapter for sure.

 

[Stryker861]

God i wish this manga was bi weekly

 

[MinatoSparkle]

How strong do y'all think Indra and Ashura are?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

How strong do y'all think Indra and Ashura are?

personally like this weird in between tier of where Peak Madara and Hashirama were prior to any buffs and six paths nard and sasuke, six paths tends to give people a massive buff and we know asura had it but indra is a EMS merchant possibly MS.

 

[Samlex1234]

How strong do y'all think Indra and Ashura are?

Indra is as strong as Prime Hago without the Ten tails, Asura is as strong as Prime Hago with the ten tails.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Indra is as strong as Prime Hago without the Ten tails, Asura is as strong as Prime Hago with the ten tails.

Idk about that, Hagoromo lowkey implied Pre-God Tree Juubidara>Indra, who I wouldn't say is that strong, and Ashura/Indra had heated battles

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

There was a scan that said Indra had the same power as Hagoromo, but I think it was a fake scan.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The raws seemed moreso to pertain to talent and seeming to inherit his powers

 

[Samlex1234]

Idk about that, Hagoromo lowkey implied Pre-God Tree Juubidara>Indra, who I wouldn't say is that strong, and Ashura/Indra had heated battles

It depends on how you interpret this. When Hag says he is getting close to his power does it mean before he acquired the ten tails or After?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well either way he's contrasting him no longer being Indra's Reincarnate to his incredible rising power

 

[Samlex1234]

Well either way he's contrasting him no longer being Indra's Reincarnate to his incredible rising power

First being Indra reincarnate does not mean you become as powerful as Indra, Indra had hundreds, possibly thousands of reincarnates over the years and most of them are Fodders. Secondly, if you look at the statement in its entirety it was a progressive conversation that was talking about the vain desire for power that Madara had, due to that desire he took in hasirama cells that made him attain the Hagoromo’s chakra type before he could completely become Indra reincarnate.

 

[Damage3245]

First being Indra reincarnate does not mean you have Indra’s power, Indra had hundreds, possibly thousands of reincarnates over the years and most of them are Fodders.

Strictly speaking, I think we have next to no canonical information about his reincarnates prior to Madara except that they all inevitably died in battle with the Ashura reincarnate of the time.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

First being Indra reincarnate does not mean you become as powerful as Indra, Indra had hundreds, possibly thousands of reincarnates over the years and most of them are Fodders. Secondly, if you look at the statement in its entirety it was a progressive conversation that was talking about the vain desire for power that Madara had, due to that desire he took in hasirama cells that made him attain the Hagoromo’s chakra type before he could completely become Indra reincarnate.

Yes it's progressive, in the sense that he's saying Madara is no longer attached to Indra, and then suggests he's beyond that

 

[Samlex1234]

Yes it's progressive, in the sense that he's saying Madara is no longer attached to Indra, and then suggests he's beyond that

When did Madara become the reincarnation of Indra? Was it as a child, teenager, adult, or senior? If you say as he was born, then was child Madara as strong as Indra? The same question applies to all his other stages teenager, adult, and his Old self because Madara’s power continuously evolved. Even in Sasuke’s case, do you think his one-tomoe Sharingan, Mangekyō Sharingan, or Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan versions were ever on Indra’s level?

Reincarnation does not always necessarily grant power but rather the essence of the predecessor such as the will, mindset, and destiny rather than the strength of the predecessor. Madara and Sasuke had to awaken and cultivate their power over time, rather than being born with Indra’s full might. What they had mainly was the chakra type.

 

[Samlex1234]

By the way Tentails Hag could be > one eyed Rinnegan Madara > No Tentails Hag ~ Indra

 

[MinatoSparkle]

When did Madara become the reincarnation of Indra? Was it as a child, teenager, adult, or senior? If you say as he was born, then was child Madara as strong as Indra? The same question applies to all his other stages teenager, adult, and his Old self because Madara’s power continuously evolved. Even in Sasuke’s case, do you think his one-tomoe Sharingan, Mangekyō Sharingan, or Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan versions were ever on Indra’s level?

Reincarnation does not always necessarily grant power but rather the essence of the predecessor such as the will, mindset, and destiny rather than the strength of the predecessor. Madara and Sasuke had to awaken and cultivate their power over time, rather than being born with Indra’s full might. What they had mainly was the chakra type.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying that Madara was equal to Indra, just that the wording of Hagoromo's statement suggests that Madara is stronger than him as a Juubi Jinchuriki.

 

[Samlex1234]

You're missing my point. I'm not saying that Madara was equal to Indra, just that the wording of Hagoromo's statement suggests that Madara is stronger than him as a Juubi Jinchuriki.

Oh, that is fine. I think that makes sense.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

You guys are taking the statements out of context. The Databook actually sums this up pretty well, tbh. It’s talking about “Power-Sets”, not Power Level.

1. Power of the Ten-Tails is Six Paths Senjutsu.
2. The Databook 4 (Madara’s Profile Iirc) states verbatim only with 2 Rinnegan can one unleash the power of the Sage of Six Paths (Madara was after the other Rinnegan & Already Had Six Paths Senjutsu (Hagoromo Power Set = Six Paths Senjutsu + Rinnegan)).
3. The Hagoromo states the power Madara was after is Kaguya’s RinneSharingan (Again, a “Power-Set”).

So when we look at the statement, “Madara is no longer Indra’s Reincarnate (Revived after Indra passed on to Sasuke), has the power of Ten-Tails (Six Paths Senjutsu) & is getting close to me (Dual Rinnegan + Six Paths Senjutsu) and is trying to attain Kaguya’s Power (RinneSharingan).” Context is King, and that statement doesn’t imply anything about his individual “Strength”.

This is further proven by how Madara is matched by Naruto alone, whom is fractionally above 50% Hagoromo (Naruto Chakra + 50% Kurama + Fractions of Biju Chakra + 50% Hagoromo Six Paths Senjutsu), even with Dual Rinnegan.

Prime Hagoromo would destroy Dual Rinnegan Madara based on Naruto and Sasuke’s individual showings.

But that’s just my two cents on it…

 

[Samlex1234]

You guys are taking the statements out of context. The Databook actually sums this up pretty well, tbh. It’s talking about “Power-Sets”, not Power Level.

1. Power of the Ten-Tails is Six Paths Senjutsu.
2. The Databook 4 (Madara’s Profile Iirc) states verbatim only with 2 Rinnegan can one unleash the power of the Sage of Six Paths (Madara was after the other Rinnegan & Already Had Six Paths Senjutsu (Hagoromo Power Set = Six Paths Senjutsu + Rinnegan)).
3. The Hagoromo states the power Madara was after is Kaguya’s RinneSharingan (Again, a “Power-Set”).

So when we look at the statement, “Madara is no longer Indra’s Reincarnate (Revived after Indra passed on to Sasuke), has the power of Ten-Tails (Six Paths Senjutsu) & is getting close to me (Dual Rinnegan + Six Paths Senjutsu) and is trying to attain Kaguya’s Power (RinneSharingan).” Context is King, and that statement doesn’t imply anything about his individual “Strength”.

This is further proven by how Madara is matched by Naruto alone, whom is fractionally above 50% Hagoromo (Naruto Chakra + 50% Kurama + Fractions of Biju Chakra + 50% Hagoromo Six Paths Senjutsu), even with Dual Rinnegan.

Prime Hagoromo would destroy Dual Rinnegan Madara based on Naruto and Sasuke’s individual showings.

But that’s just my two cents on it…

I agree with most of what you said however in regards to the Prime Hagoromo> Dual Rinnegan Madara I would say yes if you think Hagoromo in his prime is with the Ten-Tails. Also, I will not use Naruto and Sasuke to scale prime Hagaromo because you can't really determine how much boost they got from half of Hagoromo chakra since it's main effect is beyond just an increase in chakra reserves but evolution.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You guys are taking the statements out of context. The Databook actually sums this up pretty well, tbh. It’s talking about “Power-Sets”, not Power Level.

1. Power of the Ten-Tails is Six Paths Senjutsu.
2. The Databook 4 (Madara’s Profile Iirc) states verbatim only with 2 Rinnegan can one unleash the power of the Sage of Six Paths (Madara was after the other Rinnegan & Already Had Six Paths Senjutsu (Hagoromo Power Set = Six Paths Senjutsu + Rinnegan)).
3. The Hagoromo states the power Madara was after is Kaguya’s RinneSharingan (Again, a “Power-Set”).

So when we look at the statement, “Madara is no longer Indra’s Reincarnate (Revived after Indra passed on to Sasuke), has the power of Ten-Tails (Six Paths Senjutsu) & is getting close to me (Dual Rinnegan + Six Paths Senjutsu) and is trying to attain Kaguya’s Power (RinneSharingan).” Context is King, and that statement doesn’t imply anything about his individual “Strength”.

This is further proven by how Madara is matched by Naruto alone, whom is fractionally above 50% Hagoromo (Naruto Chakra + 50% Kurama + Fractions of Biju Chakra + 50% Hagoromo Six Paths Senjutsu), even with Dual Rinnegan.

Prime Hagoromo would destroy Dual Rinnegan Madara based on Naruto and Sasuke’s individual showings.

But that’s just my two cents on it…

I think this is an interesting interpretation but I will note that the Naruto vs Madara example doesn't support your point cause Naruto's power is much more than just half Hagoromo. He has Six Paths Senjutsu of his own from having chakra from all the Bijuu, and a chakra cloak not provided by Hagoromo. SPSM is also arguably a multiplicative boost.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

can Naruto take Reinhard on?

no he gets skill stomped pretty hard in equal stats + Reinhard has multiple ways to one shot (Especially cuz he now has cm type 2 as well)

 

[HelloThere1089]

no he gets skill stomped pretty hard in equal stats + Reinhard has multiple ways to one shot (Especially cuz he now has cm type 2 as well)

Crynhard after Naruto tells him that he was once just like him:

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Crynhard after Naruto tells him that he was once just like him:

arc 9 shows us that he wouldnt show any mercy to an enemy even if everything that matters to him is lost

in the end he is just a hero, and a hero is all he will ever be (lmao noob)

SI probably works? but naruto IC only does that after winning no?

 

[HelloThere1089]

arc 9 shows us that he wouldnt show any mercy to an enemy even if everything that matters to him is lost

in the end he is just a hero, and a hero is all he will ever be (lmao noob)

SI probably works? but naruto IC only does that after winning no?

That was a joke. I don't really know much about Reinhardt. Basically the meme is that whenever all else fails, Naruto resorts to talk no jutsu.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That was a joke. I don't really know much about Reinhardt. Basically the meme is that whenever all else fails, Naruto resorts to talk no jutsu.

i am aware of the meme, its just that another character also tried SI against him and it didnt end so well

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

no he gets skill stomped pretty hard in equal stats + Reinhard has multiple ways to one shot (Especially cuz he now has cm type 2 as well)

What ways can he one shot nard and how does his cm 2 work? Also is he really that much more skilled than nard?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What ways can he one shot nard and how does his cm 2 work?

all attacks of his using his sword is cm type 2

Also is he really that much more skilled than nard?

rz is infamous for its skillslop of unrealistic stuff, Reinhard can dodge attacks he can sense/cant sense, is seeing for the first time, already seen before etc. Any projectile aimed at him will automatically change direction, he can dodge undodgable things like rain in a rainstorm, sand in a sandstorm, a rain of light, mist of light, an explosion that covers an entire room without exiting the room etc
He also can adapt to pretty much anything and the more he sees someone do the same attacks the more speed amps he gets, he also gets stronger if he bleeds, if its morning, raining, or night
The only thing Naruto might beat Reinhard is in anal precog but thats useless because of Godly intuition which automatically tells Reinhard to do the optimal move in any given situations, this also works outside of combat so he can answer any question of a test of any difficulty and get 100% even if its not mcq

Oh and he has low godly resurrection in case he dies

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

all attacks of his using his sword is cm type 2

What gives him cm?

Reinhard can dodge attacks he can sense/cant sense,

Sounds like precognition

is seeing for the first time, already seen before etc. Any projectile aimed at him will automatically change direction

So either one shot him with a attack or switch to hand to hand

he can dodge undodgable things like rain in a rainstorm, sand in a sandstorm, a rain of light, mist of light, an explosion that covers an entire room without exiting the room etc

Sounds like standard FTl stuff

He also can adapt to pretty much anything and the more he sees someone do the same attacks the more speed amps he gets, he also gets stronger if he bleeds, if its morning, raining, or night

That just sounds so random like random bs amps go

The only thing Naruto might beat Reinhard is in anal precog but thats useless because of Godly intuition which automatically tells Reinhard to do the optimal move in any given situations,

Shadow clones barrage with nard using TSO to EE, Seal or ap stomp

this also works outside of combat so he can answer any question of a test of any difficulty and get 100% even if its not mcq

Oh and he has low godly resurrection in case he dies

Sealing him then

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

anal precog

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

What nard does to his opponent with thousands of shadow clones. Truly the most devious hokage to ever live

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What gives him cm?

his dragon sword reid

Sounds like precognition

it isnt

So either one shot him with a attack

if he sees it for the first time he WILL be able to dodge it, so attacking just doesnt work

or switch to hand to hand

he has a blessing which makes him just as good without a weapon, also he is better in hand to hand combat than naruto

Sounds like standard FTl stuff

these are not speed feats, you can have immeasurable/infinite speed and still not be able to dodge a rain because there just isnt enough space, same with the bomb feat

That just sound so like random amp bs go

true lmao

Shadow clones barrage with nard

his sword strikes are AoE of 10k kms

using TSO to EE

he cannot be killed by EE and even if he is killed he just comes back with the divine blessing of the phoenix

, Seal

resists sealing

ap stomp

he has dura neg + his dodging skills are superior

Sealing him then

resists sealing

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What nard does to his opponent with thousands of shadow clones. Truly the most devious hokage to ever live

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

his dragon sword reid

Then just dodge sword attacks and nards invulnerable to ninjutsu

it isnt

Then his just faster then anything thrown at him so far

if he sees it for the first time he WILL be able to dodge it, so attacking just doesnt work

Hand to hand

he has a blessing which makes him just as good without a weapon, also he is better in hand to hand combat than naruto

? Nard can go hand to hand with opponents that can see their opponents moves from the future in addition to analysis precognition and 360 degree vision. Plus nard learned H2H as a child and kept improving it as he went on and also learned many different forms of H2H and incorporates them into his moves sets. Reinhard is definitely not better then nard in H2H

these are not speed feats, you can have immeasurable/infinite speed and still not be able to dodge a rain because there just isnt enough space, same with the bomb feat

Pretty sure rain doesn’t fall at light speed,
Same with the explosion thing. Reinhard’s speed is FTL so dodging something going at less then the speed of a bullet is not a big deal

his sword strikes are AoE of 10k kms

Nards faster then rein and TSO can EE ninjutsu

he cannot be killed by EE

Don’t see resistance to EE on his profile

and even if he is killed he just comes back with the divine blessing of the phoenix

resists sealing

Fear and madness manipulation? Kill himself or smth

he has dura neg + his dodging skills are superior

I mean he does have probability manipulation. Hand to hand it is

 

[Godernet]

Idk if I would say Reinhard’s skill feats are greatly outside of the realm that some other Nard characters operate in tbh (especially with some of the Novel stuff)

Tho I agree with all his divine protections he’s probably putting belt to ass on Nard unfortunately.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Idk if I would say Reinhard’s skill feats are greatly outside of the realm that some other Nard characters operate in tbh (especially with some of the Novel stuff)

Tho I agree with all his divine protections he’s probably putting belt to ass on Nard

Yea can’t see a way in which nard can put Reinhard down except for EE

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Then just dodge sword attacks

• Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks.

and nards invulnerable to ninjutsu

Not only does Reinhard not use ninjutsu, he cannot use any magic either his physiology literally does not allow it

Then his just faster then anything thrown at him so far

• Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks

Hand to hand

Divine Protection of First Sight: He will instinctively know how to counter or dodge attacks that he is experiencing for the first time, including surprise attacks, and he will be awakened should he be sleeping.

Divine Protection of Second Sight: He will intuitively respond to attacks that he experiences twice or more with a vastly greater speed, including surprise attacks, and he will be awakened should he be sleeping. This effectively causes attacks to not land on him, making it an effective ability against formidable opponents.

Divine Protection of the Sword Saint: His skill in swordsmanship is supernaturally increased to the limit of his theoretical natural talent, making him a genius in combat– be it swords, spears, or axes, so long as it is connected to battle he understands their strengths and weaknesses completely. It gives him the ability to draw the Dragon Sword Reid, and it lets him cut that which cannot be cut. He also receives flawless battle instincts, and can see floating white rays of battle drawn out by the Sword God that he need only trace with his sword to unquestionably kill his opponent.


He will automatically see perfect white lines that he just needs to follow to instantly counter any attacks by Naruto

? Nard can go hand to hand with opponents that can see their opponents moves from the future in addition to analysis precognition

ReZero verse has that too

and 360 degree vision.

rz characters can detect normal things better than humans + mana + disturbances in the air + hostile intentions + even if you cut off all of their senses they can still target your vitals and hit them with pinpoint accuracy

Plus nard learned H2H as a child and kept improving it as he went on and also learned many different forms of H2H and incorporates them into his moves sets.

doesnt really give me any showcase of skill, but if you do want a comparison then Reinhard has mastered every form of combat ever made, will ever be made, and is currently present, this also includes every possible weapon and even non weapons and daily items like a random fish, pan or an eraser are more deadly in his hands than a sword

Reinhard is definitely not better then nard in H2H

thats just a claim

Pretty sure rain doesn’t fall at light speed,
Same with the explosion thing. Reinhard’s speed is FTL so dodging something going at less then the speed of a bullet is not a big deal

its not a speed feat, you can be infinite speed and still have no way of moving through the gap between raindrops without intangibility hax or smth

Nards faster then rein and TSO can EE ninjutsu

Reinhard doesnt use Ninjutsu and EE is ineffective on him since Reid cannot permanently kill him (also he has low godly resurrection anyways so its pointless to try and kill Reinhard because he can just come back)

Don’t see resistance to EE on his profile

his profile is outdated but EE is still ineffective because he just comes back

Fear and madness manipulation? Kill himself or smth

he resists 2+ layers of that + has a blessing that auto removes all mind haxes

I mean he does have probability manipulation. Hand to hand it is

his blessings also work on h2h

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Kinda wanna see Delta vs Matsuri

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think about this?

Antvasima

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[Damage3245]

What do you think about this?

Antvasima

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I think we can safely ignore that user and the calculations they're referencing.

Don't waste your own time engaging with them Antvasima.