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Same Asgore that was beaten to near 0 HP by Frisk? Pretty good one-shot feat. I can one-shot Michael Tyson if he gets hit by a car too btw.
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Undertale Revise and Rebirth
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Or at least watch the game if you have the attention span of a gnat(me)
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I don't plan on commenting further, but I will comment on some arguments put forth by the OP.
There's an entire section of the game dedicated to Flowey abusing the SAVE and LOAD gameplay features. Sans' was also prepared to stall the Player for all time - knowing full well that if he doesn't act, Chara cannot take their turn and is just stuck, forever. Gameplay seems pretty relevant to the lore to me.
Flowey's existence and part in the game's narrative kind of just, bunks this.
There's an entire section of the game dedicated to Flowey abusing the SAVE and LOAD gameplay features. Sans' was also prepared to stall the Player for all time - knowing full well that if he doesn't act, Chara cannot take their turn and is just stuck, forever. Gameplay seems pretty relevant to the lore to me.
So we know that Asriel (as Flowey) retains his memories after each RESET. This isn't really a point of contention - it's in the story. Whether or not that's accepted on this wiki is arbitary and also not a lie either.
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Agree with Strym and Reaper
The point about Chara not destroying the Timeline is silly when... the files of the game itself gets destroyed via Chara's slash
The point about Chara not destroying the Timeline is silly when... the files of the game itself gets destroyed via Chara's slash
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I would like to state that my main argument of Chara running through time has not been addressed yet. If the opposition agrees that Frisk was at 2B stats then it makes no sense to assume she ran through time essentially because it was never stated.
Any game verses like say Sonic and GoW have explicit information that leads us to that conclusion. Information Undertale lacks.
Regardless the thread needs staff evaluation to proceed
Any game verses like say Sonic and GoW have explicit information that leads us to that conclusion. Information Undertale lacks.
Regardless the thread needs staff evaluation to proceed
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...God of War isn't immeasurable.
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Disagree FRA
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You mean Frisk? And yeah it was addressed... by Strym in the first page
Call me crazy but i am pretty sure 2-B stats in AP are not speed disqualifiers for you to make the point of 2-B stats = not immeasurable
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...you mean Frisk, right?
Also I literally did explain why it has to be the case, you ignored this entirely.
- 2-B stats isn't a disqualifier for Immeasurable, tf?
- We do not need to get everything spoonfed. We can get to conclusions on our own, otherwise we'd nuke almost every Tier 1 scaling because few verses explicitly mention Higher D stuff.
Stop clowning yourself by constantly admitting you don't read profiles. GoW isn't Immeasurable here lmfao.
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I finally come back to VSBattles after weeks and this is what I see? What the hell buddy 
Also, wtf 2B stats have to do with this?
Go watch the Asriel fight again, seriously, the feat happens right before our eyes, its not a vagueness shit but something that happens right before our eyes, spiteful threads are not cool buddy
Also, wtf 2B stats have to do with this?
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I just noticed this and it's mad funny because you're telling me that my arguments are disconnected by religion which is... huh?
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Also I realized Asriel should have a "far higher Attack Speed with Chaos Buster and Shocker Breaker" in his speed section, as Frisk could dodge these attacks only through aim dodging for how fast these are.
We do have this exact same case for the Masked Man (who has electric attacks far faster than his Relativistic+ base speed) and Sans himself with Gaster Blasters.
We do have this exact same case for the Masked Man (who has electric attacks far faster than his Relativistic+ base speed) and Sans himself with Gaster Blasters.
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Oh, I forgot to say, but I disagree with this threadI finally come back to VSBattles after weeks and this is what I see? What the hell buddy
Go watch the Asriel fight again, seriously, the feat happens right before our eyes, its not a vagueness shit but something that happens right before our eyes, spiteful threads are not cool buddy
Also, wtf 2B stats have to do with this?
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Never said that but verses with trans finite speed all have statements that allow us to make an informed decision on their speed which this verse does not.
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Idk man we kinda are explaining to you why is that, but if you just are gonna keep to stonewall and ignore whatever explanation I cannot do much.
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Then drop a statement of the character in question running through time to escape the attack?
You’ve already stated that the character is at tier 2 dura and we know canonically Frisk can’t die in the fight even if attacked point blank. So it makes no sense to assume she “ran through time” with no evidence.
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"I DEMAND explicit statements that hit me so hard they crush my balls with how explicit they are!!!"
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We see it happening. If I see a character running faster than a car, I say that he is faster than a car. I don’t need a statement “damn, I’m faster than a car!”
Same here.
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No we don’t though that’s the issue their is no visual evidence that happened the screen all looks the same and their is no comment to up what happened.
Compare the ending fight to any other in the game and it’s all the same.
I don’t really see why it’s that much to ask for.
Many verse Sonic, DBH, Xenoblade all have statements that coexist with their feats. Why is it that only UT struggles in this department?
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Frisk is at tier 2 dura but can still be damaged by Asriel, literally all of his attacks are able to damage Frisk, if Frisk took no damage it means that Frisk dodged his attack
Statements are just another type of evidence, feats are evidences by itself
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I guess running away from the attack that sucks in the entirety of timeline is not an evidence, damn.
If you have gazillion statements of Immeasurable speed or just one feat, it still qualifies.
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... excuse me but it was explained? like... you may disagree with the explanation, but in that case you should probably explain why the explanation is wrong instead of just ignoring it
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No at 11:31
We see no matter how many times he tries he can’t kill Frisk at all.
Unfortunately y’all seem to not have any of those.
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The Asriel fight is... much MUCH different than any other fight in the game, heck only Omega Flowey comes close to how unique it is... i dunno what you are referring to
Undertale has the feat and statement for its rating... what are you talking about?
But still damages them, aka the point doesn't change
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Then drop the explanation then, it’s not explained in game all these verses I mentioned explain their speed in the lore. Not with fan theories.
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What statement? Please enlighten me we the statement nobody seems to be able to provide.
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... Strym and many others literally did that in the first page + the entire blog about it? That is what you need to cover... just saying they are theories without any actual point is... well, not a point at all
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I said DAMAGE, all of his attacks are damaging Frisk, you can literally see Frisk's HP decreasing bruh, the very scene u showed rn proves our point, if Frisk wasnt damaged by Hyper Goner it means Frisk dodged it, because even Asriel casual attacks are able to damage Frisk.
Asriel: "It's time to purge this timeline once and for all"
then, he uses the Hyper Goner and we see the timeline being destroyed and Frisk outrunning it
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We do not need that if you literally see it happens right in front of you.
Like do we need a statement of a character destroying the universe if the whole of space gets destroyed by an attack for example?
This is if you do not dodge [HPs reduced to 1]
This if you do dodge [HPs untouched]
Your adored Dragon Ball Heroes also lacks direct statements lmfao, just a lot of implications.
Genuine hypocrisy.
Besides, as others said above, statements are not the only way, feats are also one.
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Yeah sure but in phase 2 of the battle it’s a in game mechanic that you can not die, no matter how many times you mess up, this is after the hyper goner canon is fired to btw. So it’s clear what the implications are that Asreils attacks can’t Kill frisk.
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Can't kill =/= can't damage.
You act as if Frisk gets no damage whatsoever against Asriel and they're Armostronging him.
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Dude, not dying is not the same as not taking damage, if you ever watched a single second of the Asriel's battle you will see that all of Asriel attacks are able to damage Frisk, if Frisk took 0 damage it means Frisk dodged it
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The fact that you linked a blog that has clear cut feats like, the DB FLYING BEYOND SPACE AND TIME. Does not help your case. That is a clear cut example that we can actually calculate not this no statement iffy gameplay nonsense.
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Man, I guess Ultra Instinct Goku is just no-selling everything instead of... ya know... DODGING.
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Straw-manning my point I simply said she can tank the attacks with her Dura.
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Just like we see a clear cut feat of Frisk dodging the Hyper Goner (which is destroying the timeline, lmao)?
How are you going to calc an Immeasurable speed feat sir
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And Frisk also does have a feat of dodging a timeline devouring attack :3
This IS a videogame, gameplay can indeed be taken as a feat if nothing contradicts it.
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