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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

We should only count such things if their in a story, afaik there’s been only one DEB canonically thus far and the other fights are purely for gameplay
fair enough. although if/when we get a CRT and the rampant brute calc gets evaluated i think it'd be fair to upgrade everyone to at least class M. ig class K can be saved solely for the cunning hares and those who should reasonably scale to them (caesar and other SoC members, soldier 11, etc) but imo i feel like it'd also make sense to also give it to agents who should logically be stronger like miyabi
 
fair enough. although if/when we get a CRT and the rampant brute calc gets evaluated i think it'd be fair to upgrade everyone to at least class M. ig class K can be saved solely for the cunning hares and those who should reasonably scale to them (caesar and other SoC members, soldier 11, etc) but imo i feel like it'd also make sense to also give it to agents who should logically be stronger like miyabi
Yeah, obviously Section 6 given they’re the strongest team thus far and possibly Belobog given they held their own awhile against the UCC, which should scale to or above DEB given it’s a Sacrifice (a high ether level being) fused with three heavy machinery and is implied to be comparable to Enhanced Sacrifice Bringer.

Other than them, Corrupted Pompey, given he could fight SoC, should likely scale while Nineveh and probably eventually Gepetto should scale given their the most powerful Ethereals currently around we’ve heard about or seen.
 
finished up lighter's profile. not sure if that guy who said he wanted to do burnice's profile still wants to do it, so i guess in the meantime i'll do lucy and piper and if he doesn't say anything by the time i finish both i'll make burnice's profile myself. also went back and touched up on caesar's profile a bit, namely just adding some links to stuff and also making her LS comparable to billy
 
finished up lighter's profile. not sure if that guy who said he wanted to do burnice's profile still wants to do it, so i guess in the meantime i'll do lucy and piper and if he doesn't say anything by the time i finish both i'll make burnice's profile myself. also went back and touched up on caesar's profile a bit, namely just adding some links to stuff and also making her LS comparable to billy
Me

Need someone to make me a new sandbox
 


1.6 looks peak. more QOL changes, plenty of events, and most importantly, sanby, trigger, and pulchra. plus hugo and vivian too.

the story teaser looks super exciting and i'm really looking forward to seeing both anby and S11 and lycaon and hugo finally interact.

that new gepetto boss really interests me. looks like it has the ability to control other ethereals which looks really cool. definitely looking forward to seeing more of it when the update drops

also, the soldier 11/anby clone theory seems all but basically confirmed imo. anby refers to soldier 11 as her sister but adds that they aren't blood related and "it's more complicated." in the CN program they also briefly teased a character that looked identical to anby wearing an eyepatch. plus the general theme of the story seems to involve things from anby's past, and "old technology" was also mentioned, which makes me lean more towards the idea of artificial humans/clones more
 
Btw I was playing Lucy and noticed her Charged Special Skill can change trajectory if an enemy moves out of its way so maybe limited Homing Projectile or whatever they call it?
 
alright i think piper's all done. i'll move on to lucy, but i'm kinda confused about the incorporation of grassy, woody, and bricky in her profile. she uses them for a majority of her attacks and they're constantly with her, so would they just be considered standard equipment even though they're sentient beings?
 
she uses them for a majority of her attacks and they're constantly with her, so would they just be considered standard equipment even though they're sentient beings?
That's the standard for characters with mounts so I don't see why not. You can make separate profiles for them and then link them. Also, sorry for the late reply.

Feel free to post the sandboxes you haven't posted officially so I can review them.
 
That's the standard for characters with mounts so I don't see why not. You can make separate profiles for them and then link them. Also, sorry for the late reply.

Feel free to post the sandboxes you haven't posted officially so I can review them.
all good. i'm not really sure about making entire profiles for them just because they don't really have much presence in the story so i think i'll probably just include them in lucy's profile. also here are all the profiles i've made recently so you can go through and check them :
seth
caesar
lighter
piper

infinity_dragon suggested that i scale the SoC to billy and the other cunning hares instead of just slapping DEB feats onto them since they canonically haven't fought against it, which i think is fair. i think giving caesar and lighter solid 9-A makes sense because the story implies both of them to be at the bare minimum relative if not superior to billy. i was thinking about also giving lucy solid 9-A since she's stated to constantly fight against caesar and she also helped her and lighter fight against pompey. piper and burnice i think should get 9-B to possibly 9-A since they didn't fight against pompey but they should reasonably be comparable to people like caesar and lighter
 
Also some of the game heights are deceptive because Soldier 11 is actually only 160cm including her ponytail so really. Also, Pompey is about 197cm so just a little shorter than Lycaon

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ZZZ's animations continue to be absolute fire. was expecting hugo drip marketing today to go along with vivian's but i'm definitely not complaing about this either. really loved all the callbacks to anby's original character trailer, plus we seem to have more confirmation on the clone theory which is cool.

there are actually some decent feats here from the looks of it too. anby takes on a whole horde of ethereals by herself, gets slammed through a concrete floor and is pretty much unfazed by it, then completely blitzes and destroys a dullahan along with a bunch of other ethereals
 
@Qliphoth_Bacikal and fellow verse supporters, I've noticed a growing number of verse character profiles, but most of them lack scans in P&A and any form of calculations. The only profile I found with calculations wasn’t accepted. We discussed this a month ago, and we can't allow profiles to exist without accurate statistics.

Edit: wrong tag earlier mb
 
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@Qliphoth_Bacikal and fellow verse supporters, I've noticed a growing number of verse character profiles, but most of them lack scans in P&A and any form of calculations. The only profile I found with calculations wasn’t accepted. We discussed this a month ago, and we can't allow profiles to exist without accurate statistics.

Edit: wrong tag earlier mb
Ngl, I still don't understand why the hell the profiles or even the verse page were created so quickly despite not having any accepted calculations whatsoever.
 
Ngl, I still don't understand why the hell the profiles or even the verse page were created so quickly despite not having any accepted calculations whatsoever.
to be fair a lot of the calculations we made have been sitting for months now and still haven't even been checked, we have like 8 calcs and only maybe two or three have been seen
 
I've noticed a growing number of verse character profiles, but most of them lack scans in P&A
Unsure why that is, wasn't a part of asking profiles. I'll try to add scans later, if I have the time.
and any form of calculations. The only profile I found with calculations wasn’t accepted.
Are you talking about this one? The calcs in the profile have already been accepted though.
We discussed this a month ago, and we can't allow profiles to exist without accurate statistics.
Tbh, I think you should just purge every profile that doesn't scale to dead end butcher (the dude with calcs) and move them to a sandbox.
 
Unsure why that is, wasn't a part of asking profiles. I'll try to add scans later, if I have the time.
Sure
Are you talking about this one? The calcs in the profile have already been accepted though.
Except that one.
Tbh, I think you should just purge every profile that doesn't scale to dead end butcher (the dude with calcs) and move them to a sandbox.
Or want me to delete them, and when you get calc accepted, I'll just undelete them?
 
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"every strike is like a sudden surge of lightning, illuminating anby's unstoppable battle fervor"

this + bringer lightning stuff = lightning timing ZZZ confirmed????
 
That's what I'd prefer but you should ask everyone else's input first.
i guess if it's really that big of an issue then that's fine. i can take the time out to revise the profiles more and add more scans and stuff if it's necessary

what part of the P&A sections need scans though? should i link sources for stuff relating to things like the mindscape abilities and stuff like that? do i also need to include scans of the actual attacks themselves? i figured some stuff like weapon mastery and enhanced senses for non-humans were kinda self-explanatory so i didn't really think those needed scans/sources
 
I do think the profile posts were preemptive hence why I refrained from posting Jane Doe until I had her relevant calculations approved
 
Shouldn't in-game screenshots suffice or are you looking for specific content
 
That's what I'd prefer but you should ask everyone else's input first.
i guess if it's really that big of an issue then that's fine. i can take the time out to revise the profiles more and add more scans and stuff if it's necessary
I do think the profile posts were preemptive hence why I refrained from posting Jane Doe until I had her relevant calculations approved
So, should I delete them?
If yes then these profile will have to rest for a while.
 
So, should I delete them?
If yes then these profile will have to rest for a while.
yeah, i guess that's fine. most of those profiles are mine anyways so i can just update them

what part of the P&A sections need scans though? should i link sources for stuff relating to things like the mindscape abilities and stuff like that? do i also need to include scans of the actual attacks themselves? i figured some stuff like weapon mastery and enhanced senses for non-humans were kinda self-explanatory so i didn't really think those needed scans/sources
could i get more clarification on this though? just wanna make sure i'm updating them properly before they get reuploaded
 
could i get more clarification on this though? just wanna make sure i'm updating them properly before they get reuploaded
For games like these, scans are more useful than references because accessing them requires progressing through gameplay. Including scans is appropriate since it saves people from spending a significant amount of time playing just to reach the relevant parts.
 
For games like these, scans are more useful than references because accessing them requires progressing through gameplay. Including scans is appropriate since it saves people from spending a significant amount of time playing just to reach the relevant parts.
ah okay, that makes sense. thanks for the clarification
 
Just finished the new main story part and the Anby Agent Story

Did expect a clone beside Anby and Soldier 11 to have survived and god damn was her story the most screwed up and tragic I believe thus far in the story
 
also finished chapter 6's story and anby's agent story. really liked both, i love the darker tone ZZZ is going in with both of these chapters

all the mysteries that were set up this chapter are really interesting. i feel like the beginning might've been a bit slow, but the story really picked up afterwards imo. phaethon being able to properly navigate in hollows now is definitely an interesting turn of events. that on top of ellen's brief comment at the beginning mentioning them "learning combat skills" makes me wonder if we'll eventually get playable phaethon agents down the line.

that ending/cliffhanger was wild. lycaon really got that DAWG in him. but there's literally a 0% chance hugo's actually dead, plus with hartman sneaking away presumably with the sacrifice core, it seems like the next part of the chapter is going to be absolutely nuts. definitely looking forward to seeing what comes next. the only nitpick i have with the chapter aside from the somewhat slow start was the random sanby/trigger portion, and how the game basically suggested you should've played her agent story before the main story. i didn't know that since i usually like jumping into the main story first before doing the agent stories after so seeing the two appear all of a sudden was a bit jarring. they didn't really play that big of a part in the overall story though so i guess it wasn't too bad

hugo for me was the absolute star of the show this chapter. he's such an entertaining character, everything from his personality and charisma to his past. him and lycaon's dynamic is fantastic too. it's both really refreshing to see two characters actually dislike each other rather than being immediately buddy buddy, but their back and forth banter and bickering is also unironically really funny. one of my favorite segments of the chapter was anby calling the two annoying, that was hilarious. also, props to his eng dub voice man, he absolutely killed the role. so much personality injected into every single line delivery, i could tell he had a blast voicing him

on the other hand, vivian is a character that i initially was a bit conflicted on, but i think i've warmed up to her more. i wasn't initially super huge on the whole phaethon simp thing, but on the other hand, i do at least like that they didn't do the annoying trope where she was blissfully unaware about phaethon's true identity and denied it the entire time. i also like that her admiration is less overly obsessed yandere and more like a child idolizing a hero. at the very least, she's an interesting and pretty entertaining character. her future sight was something i absolutely wasn't expecting, but it's really cool and i can already see how it's going to be used for foreshadowing later down the line given what we saw at the end of the chapter. i'm also interested in learning more about her and why she admires phaethon so much, which we'll hopefully see more of in 1.7. also, i really like her and hugo's dynamic, the brother-sister relationship they have is pretty wholesome.

again, anby's agent story was also really great. i think harumasa's still probably edges it out for me, but as of now i think it's my second favorite agent story. again, i like how ZZZ is leaning more on the darker aspects of it's story, and it definitely shined here. mass producing humans to use solely to sell their organs is pretty damn dark. i love the characterization anby got here and how much her caring side really shined, that moment of her apologizing to soldier 11 was really heartbreaking. the final scene of twiggy reminiscing on her sisters before she died was really sad, too. to me, it seems like the ending is with soldier 11 is very obviously setting up for obol squad getting it's own chapter in the future, and i think that's where the anby/S11 conflict will be fully resolved. also billy mentioning putting on his old outfit at the end???? devs fr teasing us with the S rank billy lmao

i'll go back through both stories and compile feats and stuff soon, i do think there was definitely a lot of notable stuff in both stories, and a lot of information that might be useful for profiles (namely the stuff with the phaethon siblings and the physiology of the anby replicas)
 
the only nitpick i have with the chapter aside from the somewhat slow start was the random sanby/trigger portion, and how the game basically suggested you should've played her agent story before the main story. i didn't know that since i usually like jumping into the main story first before doing the agent stories after so seeing the two appear all of a sudden was a bit jarring. they didn't really play that big of a part in the overall story though so i guess it wasn't too bad
Same thing happened to me on playing the Main Story first until the Anby and Trigger appearance, after I saw them I went back to finish her story first before continuing further.

Honestly while they do provide a reason with the human organ trafficking being tied to the antagonist in main story, Anby appearing as Soldier 0 and alongside Trigger was really forced to me and obviously just there to have this version of Anby be usable a bit in the main story.

Like after the meeting in Blazewood, which according to her she only wore her old uniform and weapon to help the person their meeting recognize her, she’s still wearing it in the final part of the story despite her not knowing it would be tied to her story.
 
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