Nanatsu no Taizai: Upgrade Low 5-B and FTL+

[Demon_Lord18]

Physical Attributes and New Speed Scale​

We have this new calculation for Meliodas that places all the characters from the first season as Sub-Relativistic, and this calculation for Gowther to support it. Would this calculation be considered hidden?

Merlin tells us that strength equates to a person's physical attributes.

We see this in practice when Ban steals half of Galand's strength becomes slightly faster than him. Before, Ban couldn't keep up with Galand

Vas Zygra faces Pellegard and, after defeating him, says he wasn't using his full strength. But after merging with Percival, he has a burst of power and becomes much faster when using his 'full' power.

Spoiler: New scale

Sealed base Meliodas, increasing his speed to 0.01c (Sub-Rel).

Using a 2x multiplier for Meliodas and Zeldris' Demon Marks was accepted here, and Snatch being additive in speed, LS and AP was accepted here.

Demon Meliodas outsped Snatch Ban, who absorbed all of his base speed and added it to his own (Ban was slightly faster than Meliodas prior). Mach 0.02c (Sub-Rel).

Galand at half speed (since Ban stole it from him) mostly keeps up with a much faster Snatch Ban 0.04c (Sub-Rel)

Base Unsealed Meliodas is way faster than Galand, and 2nd Mark is a 4x multiplier. 0.20c (Rel)

Pellegarde can casually block a Gowther attack 0.22c (Relativistic)

Post-Revival base Meliodas is superior to his 2nd Mark, as he could wreck Derieri, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 0.80c (Rel+)

Ludociel 1c

True Form Ludociel Can intercept attacks from the First Demon and some attacks from Zeldris in his second mark. 2c (FTL)

Base Post-Pugatory Meliodas, overpowered Demon Zeldris in his first form. This is the same Demon King that Mael says he couldn't fight against, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 8c (FTL)

Base 4KoA Meliodas is equal to base Arthur, who easily cut Cath into numerous pieces before he noticed. This same Cath was equal to an enlarged Demon Mark Meliodas in a potential future, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 32c (FTL+)

Base Post-Pugatory Meliodas, overpowered Demon Zeldris in his first form. This is the same Demon King that Mael says he couldn't fight against, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 4c (FTL)

Base 4KoA Meliodas is equal to base Arthur, who easily cut Cath into numerous pieces before he noticed. This same Cath was equal to an enlarged Demon Mark Meliodas in a potential future, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 16c (FTL+)

Attack Potency​

I had this calculation accepted for Behemoth, which now makes everyone who scales to him classified as Low 5-B. I also have this calculation that has a result close to this

In an NNT fanbook, Nakaba says that the knights' ranks are divided by strength; the higher the rank, the stronger the knight.
Jericho, with demon blood, is crystal rank, while Ruin, Golguis and Friesia are two ranks above, so they should scale up to it.

edit: Nakaba says that the commandments do not fall short of the sins.

Tristan can pierce Melascula's cocoon, while Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas couldn't even damage it. Dominated Melagaland, who suffered superficial damage from Percival with a 10x amplifier

Demon King Zeldris' first form Can withstand his own attacks reflected 5x with double the potency each

Gelda resisted Dahlia's assassin fairy, which left Demon Zeldris unconscious for a while. At night, the power of vampires doubles.

Dahlia's armor can easily withstand Zeldris' attack amplified by 10 times and can knock him out with the Assassin Fairy.

The Supreme Deity can resist Meliodas and Zeldris' attacks with their weapons imbued with darkness using her barrier, as dark magic is of the destructive type, amplifying by 10 times.

The Supreme Deity says that Meliodas could defeat her if he still had the power that surpasses the Demon King, which would place him above the resistance of her barrier. Demon King Meliodas is said to be approaching the power of Mama Hawk, who had power of Chaos sealed within her body.
In the 4KoA fanbook it is stated that Melidoas has not weakened, even after losing his Demon King form. Base Meliodas could block a Chaos attack without much difficulty. He also said that he should have separated Chaos from Arthur 16 years ago

Current scale

The rest of the scale is the same as the old one

Spoiler: Scaling

Base Tristan: 1.5 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 15 Zettatons with Demon Marks (Low 5-B), 150 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

Mael: At least 6 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

Durability of Demon King Zeldris' first form: At least 12 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

Meliodas: At least 12 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 48 Zettatons with Demon Marks (Low 5-B+), 480 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

1st Demon Mark Zeldris: 3 Zettatons (Low 5-B), At least 30 Zettatons with Enchantments (Low 5-B+)

Gelda: 3 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 6 Zettatons at night (Low 5-B)

Dahila: 3 Zettatons (Low 5-B), Armour Form Durability At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

2nd Demon Mark Zeldris: 6 Zettatons (Low 5-B), At least 60 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: 48 Zettatons (Low 5-B+), 480 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

50% Supreme Deity: At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B+)

50% Supreme Deity Durability: At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B+). At least 480 Zettatons Durability with Barriers (5-B)

Demon King Meliodas: At Least 480 Zettatons (5-B)

Mama Hawk: At Least 480 Zettatons (5-B)

Tyrant Killing: At least 540 Zettatons (5-B)

Meliodas 4KoA: At least 120 Zettatons (5-B), 480 Zettatons with Demon Marks (5-B), 4.8 Yottatons with Enchantments (5-A)

The Seven Deadly Sins: Edinburgh's Grudge
Tristan defeated countless Golems (I forget the name of these things) who were capturing non-humans all over Britannia, and among those captured were a gray and a red demon. He also injured a fusion of two Red demons and a Giant (It was supposed to be a Red and a Grey demon, but apparently they forgot and swapped).
He defeated a fusion of 5 Grey Demons.
Tristan with his imbued his weaponry with magic, being a multiplier of 2 to 3x, Chaos Deathpierce easily withstood these attacks.
In his demonic form he easily kills Deathpierce and this form resembles his second mark

Spoiler: Scale

Tristan base 180 Megatons (7-A)

Chaos Deathpierce 360 Megatons (7-A)

Demon Tristan 900 Megatons (7-A+), 9 Gigatons with Enchantments (6-C)

Lanceto At least 900 Megatons (7-A+)

Profile

Meliodas has 6 keys and each key has 5 'levels', totaling 30 in all. So, I thought it would be better to separate the 4KoA key into another profile. I also created profiles for new characters.

We also have this accepted calculation that increased the LS of everyone in the verse

Votes:​

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, Reiner04
Neutral:
Disagree: Vzearr (Disagree that True Form Ludociel is twice as fast)

 

[Makai641001]

Physical Attributes and New Speed Scale​

We have this new calculation for Meliodas that places all the characters from the first season as Sub-Relativistic, and this calculation for Gowther to support it. Would this calculation be considered hidden?

Agree for Sub rel Neutral on the Hendy blitz calc

Merlin tells us that strength equates to a person's physical attributes.

yeah

We see this in practice when Ban steals half of Galand's strength becomes slightly faster than him. Before, Ban couldn't keep up with Galand

Yeah

Vas Zygra faces Pellegard and, after defeating him, says he wasn't using his full strength. But after merging with Percival, he has a burst of power and becomes much faster when using his 'full' power.

Yeah

Spoiler: New scale

Sealed base Meliodas, increasing his speed to Mach 0.01c (Sub-Rel).

Using a 2x multiplier for Meliodas and Zeldris' Demon Marks was accepted here, and Snatch being additive in speed, LS and AP was accepted here.

Demon Meliodas outsped Snatch Ban, who absorbed all of his base speed and added it to his own (Ban was slightly faster than Meliodas prior). Mach 0.02c (Sub-Rel).

Galand at half speed (since Ban stole it from him) mostly keeps up with a much faster Snatch Ban 0.04c (Sub-Rel)

Base Unsealed Meliodas is way faster than Galand, and 2nd Mark is a 4x multiplier. 0.20c (Rel)

Pellegarde can casually block a Gowther attack 0.22c (Relativistic)

Post-Revival base Meliodas is superior to his 2nd Mark, as he could wreck Derieri, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 0.80c (Rel+)

Ludociel 1c

True Form Ludociel Can intercept attacks from the First Demon and some attacks from Zeldris in his second mark. 2c (FTL)

Base Post-Pugatory Meliodas, overpowered Demon Zeldris in his first form. This is the same Demon King that Mael says he couldn't fight against, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 8c (FTL)

Base 4KoA Meliodas is equal to base Arthur, who easily cut Cath into numerous pieces before he noticed. This same Cath was equal to an enlarged Demon Mark Meliodas in a potential future, and 2nd Mark is once again a 4x multiplier. 32c (FTL+)

Agreed

Attack Potency​

I had this calculation accepted for Behemoth, which now makes everyone who scales to him classified as Low 5-B. I also have this calculation that has a result close to this

In an NNT fanbook, Nakaba says that the knights' ranks are divided by strength; the higher the rank, the stronger the knight.
Jericho, with demon blood, is crystal rank, while Ruin, Golguis and Friesia are two ranks above, so they should scale up to it.

Disagree on that Jericho and Guila both had better feats than Ruin and co

Tristan can pierce Melascula's cocoon, while Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas couldn't even damage it. Dominated Melagaland, who suffered superficial damage from Percival with a 10x amplifier

Yeah

Demon King Zeldris' first form Can withstand his own attacks reflected with double the potency

The attacks were reflected at least 5x by 5 clones

Gelda resisted Dahlia's assassin fairy, which left Demon Zeldris unconscious for a while. At night, the power of vampires doubles.

Yeah

Dahlia's armor can easily withstand Zeldris' attack amplified by 10 times and can knock him out with the Assassin Fairy.

Yeah

The Supreme Deity can resist Meliodas and Zeldris' attacks with their weapons imbued with darkness using her barrier, as dark magic is of the destructive type, amplifying by 10 times.

Agreed

The Supreme Deity says that Meliodas could defeat her if he still had the power that surpasses the Demon King, which would place him above the resistance of her barrier. Demon King Meliodas is said to be approaching the power of Mama Hawk, who had power of Chaos sealed within her body.

Agreed

In the 4KoA fanbook it is stated that Melidoas has not weakened, even after losing his Demon King form. Base Meliodas could block a Chaos attack without much difficulty. He also said that he should have separated Chaos from Arthur 16 years ago

Agreed

The rest of the scale is the same as the old one

Spoiler: Scaling

Base Tristan: 1.5 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 15 Zettatons with Demon Marks (Low 5-B), 150 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

Mael: At least 6 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

Durability of Demon King Zeldris' first form: At least 12 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

Meliodas: At least 12 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 48 Zettatons with Demon Marks (Low 5-B+), 480 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

1st Demon Mark Zeldris: 3 Zettatons (Low 5-B), At least 30 Zettatons with Enchantments (Low 5-B+)

Gelda: 3 Exatons (Low 5-B), 6 Zettatons at night (Low 5-B)

Dahila: 3 Zettatons (Low 5-B), Armour Form Durability At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B)

2nd Demon Mark Zeldris: 6 Zettatons (Low 5-B), At least 60 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: 48 Zettatons (Low 5-B+), 480 Zettatons with Enchantments (5-B)

50% Supreme Deity: At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B+)

50% Supreme Deity Durability: At least 30 Zettatons (Low 5-B+). At least 480 Zettatons Durability with Barriers (5-B)

Demon King Meliodas: At Least 480 Zettatons (5-B)

Mama Hawk: At Least 480 Zettatons (5-B)

Tyrant Killing: At least 540 Zettatons (5-B)

Meliodas 4KoA: At least 120 Zettatons (5-B), 480 Zetattons with Demon Marks (5-B), 4.8 Yottatons with Enchantments (5-A)

Agreed but you should add the DK Zel 5 full counters

The Seven Deadly Sins: Edinburgh's Grudge
Tristan defeated countless Golems (I forget the name of these things) who were capturing non-humans all over Britannia, and among those captured were a gray and a red demon. He also injured a fusion of two Red demons and a Giant (It was supposed to be a Red and a Grey demon, but apparently they forgot and swapped).
He defeated a fusion of 5 Grey Demons.
Tristan with his imbued his weaponry with magic, being a multiplier of 2 to 3x, Chaos Deathpierce easily withstood these attacks.
In his demonic form he easily kills Deathpierce and this form resembles his second mark

Spoiler: Scale

Tristan base 180 Megatons (7-A)

Chaos Deathpierce 360 Megatons (7-A)

Demon Tristan 900 Megatons (7-A+), 9 Gigatons with Enchantments (6-C)

Lanceto At least 900 Megatons (7-A+)

Agreed

Profile

Meliodas has 6 keys and each key has 5 'levels', totaling 30 in all. So, I thought it would be better to separate the 4KoA key into another profile. I also created profiles for new characters.

We also have this accepted calculation that increased the LS of everyone in the verse

Yeah we should separate them

 

[Estarossa0z]

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the proposed changes.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Disagree on that Jericho and Guila both had better feats than Ruin and co

I didn't remember that Guila was rank Crystal, so it's okay

Agreed but you should add the DK Zel 5 full counters

It doesn't work like that. We can't give a character 5 times more resistance just because they withstood five consecutive attacks, but I think we could do that if the attacks merged into one. However, we have no evidence that this happened, so twice is good.

 

[Makai641001]

I didn't remember that Guila was rank Crystal, so it's okay

It doesn't work like that. We can't give a character 5 times more resistance just because they withstood five consecutive attacks,

It’s not 5 consecutive attacks he used 5 clones and FC’d DK’s attack

but I think we could do that if the attacks merged into one. However, we have no evidence that this happened, so twice is good.

No need for them to be merged into one.

Here is Albion tanking 1 FC’d attack with minor damage.

Here is Albion after taking his own 5 separate projectiles FC’d 5 times. (Blud got cooked)

DK withstood his separate projectiles FC’d 5 times.

 

[Saqphire]

Agree with everything

 

[Makai641001]

Agree with everything

Merci frérot

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Here is Albion tanking 1 FC’d attack with minor damage.

Here is Albion after taking his own 5 separate projectiles FC’d 5 times.

An explosion works differently. I might be talking nonsense, but if two explosions occur in the same space, they merge to increase the power of the explosion.

DK withstood his separate projectiles FC’d 5 times.

I still don't see how this is similar to the feat of Albion

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sorry why anyone scales to Behemoth?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Sorry why anyone scales to Behemoth?

50% Demon King defeated Behemoth using his massive strength.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

50% Demon King defeated Behemoth using his massive strength.

So Demon King is still stronger than Zeldris?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

So Demon King is still stronger than Zeldris?

Yeah

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Same thoughts as Makai

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Same thoughts as Makai

Thank you for your evaluation.

 

[Faa_Tzy]

I doubted that Ludociel would touch FTL, but wouldn't it be better if Ludociel's Margaret remained SOL only, and his true form became 1c FTL? What'd you think?

I agree with everything

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I doubted that Ludociel would touch FTL, but wouldn't it be better if Ludociel's Margaret remained SOL only, and his true form became 1c FTL? What'd you think?

SOL and FTL (1c) are almost the same thing edit(Ludociel on Margaret's body will still be SOL). I think 2c is good for Ludociel in his true body because of this here:

We see few fusions in NNT; however, in those that involve the addition of one character to another, there is a significant increase in strength and speed, as when Hendrickson 'fuses' with the Grey Demon and blitzes Gilthunder. While in his base form he was easily defeated by Gilthunder, in his red demon blood form he could be easily combated by Meliodas. Gowther could easily dodge his attacks, but upon adding the grey demon blood, he began to trample both, forcing Meliodas to use his demonic mark. We can see the same thing happening when the Spirit of Life becomes one with Percival, he went from being beaten up by Macduff to being much faster than Ironside's attacks.

With that, I think the First Demon should be twice as fast and strong as Chandler and Cusack, since they are literally the two parts of the First Demon who had their body and soul divided.

This is not fusion, but I will include it here. Tarmiel and Sariel were easily being dominated by Estarossa with 3 commandments, but when they went to their real bodies while their minds were confused, they could follow attacks from the same Estarossa without difficulties.

 

[Faa_Tzy]

SOL and FTL (1c) are almost the same thing edit(Ludociel on Margaret's body will still be SOL). I think 2c is good for Ludociel in his true body because of this here:

Yeaa makes sense. True body should be equivalent to an OD that is 2x above Ludociel's Margaret.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah

It may be just me who is got confused.
But if Zeldris is weaker than DK how do you intend to scale him despite Zeldris himself admits he doesn't have that much power
Also could you give me the reference of meliodas not being able to do this.

Tristan can pierce Melascula's cocoon, while Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas couldn't even damage it. Dominated Melagaland, who suffered superficial damage from Percival with a 10x amplifier

Is this Meliodas scales above DK?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

It may be just me who is got confused.
But if Zeldris is weaker than DK how do you intend to scale him despite Zeldris himself admits he doesn't have that much power

Could defeat Fleeting Hermit and Grieving Sage, who were constructed from a part of the Demon King's body.

Also could you give me the reference of meliodas not being able to do this.

What are you trying to say?
edit: Here

Is this Meliodas scales above DK?

No

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Could defeat Fleeting Hermit and Grieving Sage, who were constructed from a part of the Demon King's body.

Why would part of Demon King Body ~ Demon King who put that thing to Sleep with his massive force?
Also as I already pointed out Zeldris admits he doesn't possess that level of power

What are you trying to say?
edit: Here

No

So how is this scales to 5-B if he doesn't scale to DK?

 

[speedster352]

How strong would the sins combined attack be?

 

[Damage3245]

Why would part of Demon King Body ~ Demon King who put that thing to Sleep with his massive force?
Also as I already pointed out Zeldris admits he doesn't possess that level of power

Yeah, this is a good point.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Why would part of Demon King Body ~ Demon King who put that thing to Sleep with his massive force?

Because he was hurting Ban with that part of the body

Also as I already pointed out Zeldris admits he doesn't possess that level of power

This really doesn't interfere with anything. We know he is inferior to the Demon King, but he is strong enough to hurt something as durable as him. He doesn't reach the strength level of 50% of the Demon King, but he is still strong enough to scale.

So how is this scales to 5-B if he doesn't scale to DK?

New 4KoA/7DS Revisions

AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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My scale is the same as this scale, but with the currently accepted values and adding the durability of the DKZ.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

How strong would the sins combined attack be?

836.584 Yottatons

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Because he was hurting Ban with that part of the body

This was when he had a body and complete.

This really doesn't interfere with anything. We know he is inferior to the Demon King, but he is strong enough to hurt something as durable as him. He doesn't reach the strength level of 50% of the Demon King, but he is still strong enough to scale.

It does poses a problem

Could defeat Fleeting Hermit and Grieving Sage, who were constructed from a part of the Demon King's body.

Check your scans. He literally one-shots them despite being severely injured. No matter what you try to say, this clearly shows that he is comparable to, if not superior to, the Demon King (by your arguments). This doesn’t make sense when Zeldris himself states that he is weaker than the Demon King. You are claiming that each body part has the same level of power, but you haven't provided enough proof for that.

Looking at how he one shoted then I'm not seeing any 5-B durability from those parts. Any weaker characters wouldn't be able to do this.

New 4KoA/7DS Revisions

AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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My scale is the same as this scale, but with the currently accepted values and adding the durability of the DKZ.

You know how much this contradicts your scaling chain?

It doesn't matter what was previously accepted—we can still ask for better justification if you are revising it now.

So, please provide the scan and explanation needed.

Why does Melascula scale to 5-B?

 

[Himokashi]

Is there any indication that the Demon King was at 50% and not 100% when he put Behemoth to sleep?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

This was when he had a body and complete.

What are you saying? This is part of the Demon King's body, he attacks and injures characters who can hurt him with it, so it scales to him.

It does poses a problem

This does not represent a problem.

Check your scans. He literally one-shots them despite being severely injured. No matter what you try to say, this clearly shows that he is comparable to, if not superior to, the Demon King (by your arguments). This doesn’t make sense when Zeldris himself states that he is weaker than the Demon King. You are claiming that each body part has the same level of power, but you haven't provided enough proof for that.

Of course not. Weaker characters can injure stronger characters as long as they are not infinitely stronger. Literally, we have a character weaker than an Archangel injuring Arthur with Chaos.

You know how much this contradicts your scaling chain?

My scale does not contradict ByAsura's, it is literally ByAshura's scale.

It doesn't matter what was previously accepted—we can still ask for better justification if you are revising it now.

So, please provide the scan and explanation needed.

All of them are in the old CRT.

Why does Melascula scale to 5-B?

For the same reason as Unsealed Meliodas, Zeldris, and the rest of the cast, except the BOS characters.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Is there any indication that the Demon King was at 50% and not 100% when he put Behemoth to sleep?

The Primordial initiated the rebellion mentioned by Zeldris

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What are you saying? This is part of the Demon King's body, he attacks and injures characters who can hurt him with it, so it scales to him.

I also already said you need to prove his body parts which even after disconnected from the main body can output same level of power because I already said being getting one shoted by a weaker characters is anti feat. If Zeldris took some time to destroy that sure but he didn't. Let's not forget his he was already injured too.

This does not represent a problem.

Of course not. Weaker characters can injure stronger characters as long as they are not infinitely stronger.

I already mentioned that weaker characters can indeed downscale to stronger characters, but that doesn't mean weaker characters can one-shot stronger characters like this. Give me other examples where a weaker character has been logically scaled to be able to one-shot a stronger character like this. Bruh, are you even listening to what you're trying to claim?

Literally, we have a character weaker than an Archangel injuring Arthur with Chaos.

Where was it stated that he was weaker than Archangel? Also, you need to prove that the Archangels are stronger than his ultimate move, which harmed Arthur.

My scale does not contradict ByAsura's, it is literally ByAshura's scale.

All of them are in the old CRT.

You should have done a better job explaining things in the OP or let someone else handle this. You're not answering the questions properly; you're just trying to push everything toward a previously accepted revision from two years ago. I'm already pointing out problems in the current scaling chain you proposed in the OP.

For the same reason as Unsealed Meliodas, Zeldris, and the rest of the cast, except the BOS characters.

So Meliodas with marks < Melascula < Tristan with marks < Meliodas with marks?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

It does poses a problem

What our page about Powerscaling says:

• In this case, due to the massive broadness of tiers, even if there is a clear power gap between two characters, it typically cannot be a big enough gap that they're tiers apart if they can have an actual fight with someone. For example, a Small Planet level character would never be able to harm or do anything to a Large Planet level character, as the gap between the two tiers is nearly 30 million times. As such, even if a character overall lost to a Large Planet level character, if they were able to cause considerable harm to and hold their own against that person, they'd also have to be Large Planet level, though on a lesser extent than whoever they lost to.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What our page about Powerscaling says:

• In this case, due to the massive broadness of tiers, even if there is a clear power gap between two characters, it typically cannot be a big enough gap that they're tiers apart if they can have an actual fight with someone. For example, a Small Planet level character would never be able to harm or do anything to a Large Planet level character, as the gap between the two tiers is nearly 30 million times. As such, even if a character overall lost to a Large Planet level character, if they were able to cause considerable harm to and hold their own against that person, they'd also have to be Large Planet level, though on a lesser extent than whoever they lost to.

Dude I literally said you can certainly downscale characters but I'm talking about your scaling chain which has many problems.

 

[Damage3245]

The Primordial initiated the rebellion mentioned by Zeldris

What does that mean in relation to Behemoth?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

What does that mean in relation to Behemoth?

The Demon King divided his power in the presence of the First Demon, so it is impossible for the rebellion to have occurred with the Demon King at 100%.

 

[Makai641001]

An explosion works differently. I might be talking nonsense, but if two explosions occur in the same space, they merge to increase the power of the explosion.

It’s not different and an admin agrees with the 5 FC thing

 

[Majinere566]

Why is Demon King’s Meliodas’s Hermit even a point right now, it’s obviously weaker than the Actual Demon King.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I also already said you need to prove his body parts which even after disconnected from the main body can output same level of power

I'm not talking about power, but durability. Your arm doesn't become less durable just because it was removed from your body.

because I already said being getting one shoted by a weaker characters is anti feat

He didn't do that. He just pierced Grieving Sage's carcass, and it strangely fell apart, but he didn't destroy it. He has a long fight against Fleeting Hermit before using Ominous Nebula, which is his strongest power. We can drop this, as this is not the real reason for his scaling, and now I can see another huge problem here.

You should have done a better job explaining things in the OP or let someone else handle this. You're not answering the questions properly; you're just trying to push everything toward a previously accepted revision from two years ago.

It is not necessary to repost the same arguments and the same scans from that CRT, but I should have linked it to show where the reasoning came from.

I'm already pointing out problems in the current scaling chain you proposed in the OP.

Actually, the mistake happened because I used the Demon King's tentacles, while that's not the reason for Zeldris and the other characters to scale. The reason is that they are said not to fall short in relation to the sins.

So Meliodas with marks < Melascula < Tristan with marks < Meliodas with marks?

They are different versions of Meliodas. Post-Revival Meliodas < Melascula's Cocoon < Base Tristan < Post-Purgatory Meliodas < 4KoA Meliodas.

Dude I literally said you can certainly downscale characters but I'm talking about your scaling chain which has many problems.

I made this more confusing than it should have been when I brought up that argument.

But a downscaling is still good. the Demon King finds it necessary to block Mael's attacks. Mael can also withstand an attack from the Demon King with moderate damage, and Elizabeth, who is equal or superior, can injure DKZ, who is slightly inferior to the Demon King in Meliodas' body.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

What does that mean in relation to Behemoth?

What is your current opinion? We have a quote suggesting that the commandments are comparable to the Sins and some other things

 

[Damage3245]

What is your current opinion? We have a quote suggesting that the commandments are comparable to the Sins and some other things

I don't have an opinion on the thread yet.

 

[Makai641001]

What is your current opinion? We have a quote suggesting that the commandments are comparable to the Sins and some other things

Tbh they are individually far inferior besides Zeldris.

I also already said you need to prove his body parts which even after disconnected from the main body can output same level of power because I already said being getting one shoted by a weaker characters is anti feat. If Zeldris took some time to destroy that sure but he didn't. Let's not forget his he was already injured too.

Tbf he was rage amped and used his ultimate move to destroy it.

But it’s stupid to say that It scales to DK