The Brick Fortress Tournament (2025) - Tournament Finale: Tanya von Degurechaff vs Kamen Rider Shadowmoon

[DemonicDude]

Verses:

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The Participants:

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Match Rules:

• Rules as stated in the Tournament.
• Both are 9-B, Likely 9-A
• Speed will be equalized
• Distance: Both start 50 meters away from each other
• Win Condition: As stated in the rules.
• The Finale of the Tournament: 10 minutes of prep time for all Semi final and onward matches for each combatant.
• Location:
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• A Giant, ancient fortress structure, 3 kilometers wide, with towering broken pillars, shattered-windows, and a cracked stone floor with MAGMA in the core.
  The entire area is surrounded by collapsed walls and debris, with only a single, heavily reinforced iron gate that remains sealed shut. The battle must be fought to the end, as the unstable surroundings make climbing out impossible. If you get Tossed off the Fortress or inside the MAGMA Core (as seen in the image below), you lose the match , or your can lose in a fair fight or just exit the tournament yourself. (Choice is yours )
  
  (Location picture below)
  

  

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Result:

Characters:	Attack Potency:	Votes:
Tanya von Degurechaff:	160-225 Megajoules
Kamen Rider Shadowmoon:	(0.0126 tons)/ 52.71 Megajoules	7 (Shadow, Zeed, Togepi, rock, Arkansalter2, Satella, DCD)
Inconclusive:		1 (DD)

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'm gonna keep my initial comment short to get the ball rolling, but if Tanya gets hit by Shadowmoon's TK at any point, it's game over. The LS difference is extremely massive and he incorporates it in every move he makes.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also cuz I'm a bit busy (gotta go on a trip). My responses will become appropriately longer when my shit is done for the moment.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright to get things going, I want to first point out that Tanya outranges BADLY. Tanya doesn't really have to step foot anywhere near Kamen Rider Shadowmoon.
However, it all depends on how potent the "forcefield" that KRSM has is.
However, considering the fact that MP5 bullets just bounce off of his skin when he's wall level, I'm highly sure that KRSM won't even be bothered by bullets so his only wincon is to spam spells that are NOT 7-C spells, which from the looks of it... are not much?
Kamen will mostly try to pursue Tanya, who would likely mostly be flying at this point.
@Shadowslash125 , how potent is his Forcefield? Would it help him in this fight?

 

[Shadowslash125]

how potent is his Forcefield? Would it help him in this fight?

Uhh funny thing is that the forcefield is only there on his belt for amping his stats, not for blocking projectiles and shit. That's the TK's job, where his AOE attacks and other things can block, parry and/or blow it away from him.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also Shadowmoon's TK is portrayed to be way faster than any attack shown in the series to the point that no one is able to dodge it before it's too late. Even Black Sun had trouble against trying to evade that shit.

EDIT: I really need to stop sending two posts like this.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Uhh funny thing is that the forcefield is only there on his belt for amping his stats, not for blocking projectiles and shit. That's the TK's job, where his AOE attacks and other things can block, parry and/or blow it away from him.

Hmmm... has the TK shown to blow bullets and other similar projectiles away from him?

 

[Imaginym]

Alright to get things going, I want to first point out that Tanya outranges BADLY. Tanya doesn't really have to step foot anywhere near Kamen Rider Shadowmoon.
However, it all depends on how potent the "forcefield" that KRSM has is.
However, considering the fact that MP5 bullets just bounce off of his skin when he's wall level, I'm highly sure that KRSM won't even be bothered by bullets so his only wincon is to spam spells that are NOT 7-C spells, which from the looks of it... are not much?
Kamen will mostly try to pursue Tanya, who would likely mostly be flying at this point.
@Shadowslash125 , how potent is his Forcefield? Would it help him in this fight?

Forgive my asking, but your phrasing is confusing me. Did you use male pronouns for Tanya ("KRSM won't even be bothered by bullets so his [Tanya's, I presume?] only wincon is...", due to Tanya having sort of been forced into the reincarnation that resulted in the form Tanya is known for that's in this match?

Or have I misintepreted your phrasing?

Sorry that I don't have much to contribute to this discussion.

Sorry for any bother with this.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Hmmm... has the TK shown to blow bullets and other similar projectiles away from him?

Not specifically bullets (he got TK by the time the fights were strictly one-on-ones and melee by that point), but FWIW he's shown to blow people away, especially when they're charging right at him. If he's able to blow away a charging Black Sun, stop people in their tracks with his TK and much more, he should be able to do the very same thing to any and all projectiles coming his way, especially with the force he's packing in with the TK.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Forgive my asking, but your phrasing is confusing me. Did you use male pronouns for Tanya ("KRSM won't even be bothered by bullets so his [Tanya's, I presume?] only wincon...", due to Tanya having sort of been forced into the reincarnation that resulted in the form Tanya is known for that's in this match?

I mean her only wincon, my bad.

Not specifically bullets (he got TK by the time the fights were strictly one-on-ones and melee by that point), but FWIW he's shown to blow people away, especially when they're charging right at him. If he's able to blow away a charging Black Sun, stop people in their tracks with his TK and much more, he should be able to do the very same thing to any and all projectiles coming his way, especially with the force he's packing in with the TK.

Hmmm... The TK barrier might be able to help in this situation considering the LS difference. But I dunno. The Damage Reduction might help in this fight. Tanya just can't step anywhere near Kamen Rider or it's GGs.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Because of prep time, Shadowmoon can stock up on more heat heavens than his standard equipment allows, which heals him up with every bite. A block of heat heaven requires just a few bites to be consumed, and with the numbers he'll bring, it'll be more than enough to sustain himself throughout the battle. It also helps that he has some regeneration to give that extra healing and his stamina is off the charts by being able to duke it out with Black Sun with an inch of their lives; they've dealt significant damage against each other to the point that any other Kaijin should be dead in either of their positions. These can offset her AP difference. Bugman is extremely tenacious.

 

[Imaginym]

I mean her only wincon, my bad.

Fair enough, no worries. Thanks for answering!

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

is there something wrong with using male pronouns for tanya considering she is, mentally, a 30 yr old evil corporate boss

 

[DemonicDude]

is there something wrong with using male pronouns for tanya considering she is, mentally, a 30 yr old evil corporate boss

He is I've seen the show, but we don't care about genders in versus match ups

 

[DontTalkDT]

Not used to seeing my avatar without the circle cutout. Looks kinda weird now.

I'm gonna keep my initial comment short to get the ball rolling, but if Tanya gets hit by Shadowmoon's TK at any point, it's game over. The LS difference is extremely massive and he incorporates it in every move he makes.

Her passive forcefield is kinda disposable. Anchoring the forcefield won't stop Tanya from moving.

Also, Tanya can fire shots without gun and stuff, so she can just spam homing shots at him until he lets go. Given the AP advantage shouldn't be that hard.

To get it going to begin with there are also the decoys to worry about.

Buuut, like, ultimately the starting distance is 50m, so he doesn't ever get close enough anyway.

 

[Shadowslash125]

The forcefield is kinda disposable. Anchoring the forcefield won't stop Tanya from moving.

Which forcefield specifically? Her active forcefield or the passive one?

Also, Tanya can fire shots without gun and stuff, so so can just spam shots at him until he lets go. Given the AP advantage shouldn't be that hard.

Is it instant with a thought or does it need some fancy shmancy casting animations stuff or something of that sort? And speaking of magic, her SoL attacks come from her magic and whatever optical formula is, rather than her guns, right? Which one does she usually start using first?

50m

Wait a minute, the rest of the matches had it at 40. How did that change?

Not used to seeing my avatar without the circle cutout. Looks kinda weird now.

You say that, but it's arguably weirder that your pfp seems to blink at rare occasions, but at the same time it's literally a blink and you miss it moment to the point that I'm not sure if my mind is playing tricks on me or it's actually like that at all.

 

[Shadowslash125]

DD, that 50m a change to the battlefield or is it by accident?

 

[DemonicDude]

DD, that 50m a change to the battlefield or is it by accident?

 

[Shadowslash125]

So we really are going from 40m to 50m. Yikes.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[DemonicDude]

Bump

 

[Shadowslash125]

So you're really going to keep the 50m?

 

[DemonicDude]

Yeah i will. It doesn't give one shotting advantage to combatants from 40 to 50 it's not that much.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Right, I'll have that to consider after hearing DT out.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[DemonicDude]

What if I were to ask Ai to auto generate rest of the body for DontTalkDT profile pic.

 

[Shadowslash125]

What if I were to ask Ai to auto generate rest of the body for DontTalkDT profile pic.

Lol wtf

 

[DemonicDude]

But I won't. I respect DT. He is kind, caring, one of the top debaters on this website right next to Chariot. Somehow I can just.... see this vision through my precognition ability he's close to winning this tournament.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Somehow I can just.... see this vision through my precognition ability he's close to winning this tournament.

Can't say it'd be right... or wrong. Depends on the response.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What if I were to ask Ai to auto generate rest of the body for DontTalkDT profile pic.

Better be careful to specify clothing, because the pic doesn't show if there is any lol
Also you made me try it and all the results were seriously cursed

Which forcefield specifically? Her active forcefield or the passive one?

Both.

Is it instant with a thought or does it need some fancy shmancy casting animations stuff or something of that sort? And speaking of magic, her SoL attacks come from her magic and whatever optical formula is, rather than her guns, right? Which one does she usually start using first?

Doesn't seem to be much of a charge up, I think.
And she generally can fire from either. The only thing really locked is that she can't fire bullets from her finger.... for the obvious reason.

You say that, but it's arguably weirder that your pfp seems to blink at rare occasions, but at the same time it's literally a blink and you miss it moment to the point that I'm not sure if my mind is playing tricks on me or it's actually like that at all.

Nah, I think you're just imagining things. Animating an avatar to blink every 50 seconds to make people doubt their eyes isn't the kind of thing I would do.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Both.

Hmmm there is the argument that due to the overwhelming difference in LS, the act of even trying to anchor the forcefields can just break them. Even though Tanya does have the 4/5x-ish AP/Dura advantage, her LS is only superhuman, compared to Shadowmoon's Class M TK. With her forcefields not being anchored to her, Shadowmoon can also blow those away with ease before immediately anchoring onto her to get her while she's without any defenses.

Doesn't seem to be much of a charge up, I think.
And she generally can fire from either. The only thing really locked is that she can't fire bullets from her finger.... for the obvious reason.

As long as it isn't instant (Tanya still has to aim or cast or do something to get those SoL attacks out in a short timeframe), Shadowmoon will be able to sense it with his ES and ESP and deal with them accordingly, whether it'd be with a dodge or a TK block/parry/blowback.

Nah, I think you're just imagining things. Animating an avatar to blink every 50 seconds to make people doubt their eyes isn't the kind of thing I would do.

DemonicDude's rip of your pfp on the finals post is a gif. A gif.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Hmmm there is the argument that due to the overwhelming difference in LS, the act of even trying to anchor the forcefields can just break them.

That would be an AP vs dura thing, not a LS thing.

With her forcefields not being anchored to her, Shadowmoon can also blow those away with ease before immediately anchoring onto her to get her while she's without any defenses.

She can just immediately recreate then, before or after he grabs her.
And she could also switch between the passive and active shell, potentially.

As long as it isn't instant (Tanya still has to aim or cast or do something to get those SoL attacks out in a short timeframe), Shadowmoon will be able to sense it with his ES and ESP and deal with them accordingly, whether it'd be with a dodge or a TK block/parry/blowback.

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Tanya can fire countless homing shots and she can furthermore use illusions to disguise her shots specifically against opponents who predict her aim.

 

[Shadowslash125]

She can just immediately recreate then, before or after he grabs her.
And she could also switch between the passive and active shell, potentially

Her weaknesses insinuate that her active forcefield can only block in one direction (though it does say depending on the mage). Being able to wrap around her forcefield would mean that he should be able to get both the forcefield and her in his clutches, unless she's able to use both at once, and that'd make her lose magic for casting another active shield. Her passive one is also weaker than the active one, allowing Shadowmoon to be able to dish out more damage during that time.

Another thing is that Shadowmoon's blowing TK attack should at least knock her off her feet momentarily to catch her offguard long enough to get her. Either that, or that very same attack can be constant, blowing her forcefields while another hand grabs her and does TK stuff.

Tanya can fire countless homing shots and she can furthermore use illusions to disguise her shots specifically against opponents who predict her aim.

Are her illusions purely for screwing the visual sense only or can they screw with any other sense at all?

 

[Imaginym]

Nah, I think you're just imagining things. Animating an avatar to blink every 50 seconds to make people doubt their eyes isn't the kind of thing I would do.

Decided to watch DontTalkDT's avatar for myself. It does blink every once in a while.

DT, you only claimed you didn't animate it, right? But it does blink. Surely you weren't unaware that your avatar blinks, right?

If need be, I can use a program or website to split the GIF so that the individual blinking frame(s) can be posted.

 

[Shadowslash125]

This final thread is a hodgepodge of stuff and I'm all for it.

 

[TogepiYoda]

Following, currently leaning Tanya because of starting range being very disadvantageous for KRSM + no flight, but I do think he has a shot here with that crazy TK, and I'll wait for arguments to progress before a vote.

Woulda responded earlier, exams + gathering info for other potential new character additions I got cooking up for the verse I'm working on got me real busy. But my schedule is mostly free now so if debates break loose I'd be glad to partake.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I forgot that Shadowmoon's TK would be able to blow away and disarm her weapons, leaving her with just her magic.

 

[Shadowslash125]

By the by, Togepi. Since you know about Tanya, would you mind answering these while DT isn't here. Obviously I'll be waiting for their response too but yeah.

Are her illusions purely for screwing the visual sense only or can they screw with any other sense at all?

 

[TogepiYoda]

By the by, Togepi. Since you know about Tanya, would you mind answering these while DT isn't here. Obviously I'll be waiting for their response too but yeah.

From what it sounds like, it does seem to be purely visual on its own, but like with the Predator match could potentially be tailored to screw with other senses if she has the magic for it. I'd wait for DT too but thats what I've seen.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Another question would be if Tanya can use both forcefields at the same time, since her weaknesses page specifies that she has to switch to one or the other to conserve magic.