Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I think the easiest option would be to do "The Player (Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver)" etc etc, but I think splitting the protags by gender could also work (even if the profiles would be a copy/paste with the name and gender changed)

I think the standard is just to make a Player profile, since there isn't any difference (for our purposes) between Ethan and Lyra.

 

[Jinx666]

Tell that to basically every RPG franchise ever.

Yeah, but like ive been saying, its different with Pokemon since they can only use 6 Pokemon, and we cant really assume anything beyond the story plot. Even assuming they completed the pokedex is a stretch because genuinely nothing relevant happens most of the time (other than Legends Arceus) to even say.

Idk either way why ppl wanna do this at this point in time where the profiles are still heavily jumbled with random mashed media and the other half just being super outdated.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Yeah, but like ive been saying, its different with Pokemon since they can only use 6 Pokemon, and we cant really assume anything beyond the story plot. Even assuming they completed the pokedex is a stretch because genuinely nothing relevant happens most of the time (other than Legends Arceus) to even say.

I don't think you're getting it, this can be said for every video game with optional content (notably RPGs). If the player character can do the optional content, we count it. We don't have to assume anything at all. We know for a fact that the protagonists can catch everything, get everything, and do everything that the game has to offer. So they should be indexed as such.

Idk either way why ppl wanna do this at this point in time where the profiles are still heavily jumbled with random mashed media and the other half just being super outdated.

It's fun (for me, at least)

And I'd do my best to make these profiles as un-jumbled as possible, as to not add to the problem :v

 

[Jinx666]

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Yh i dont want to respond to split quote walls of text when it comes to Pokemon anymore so ima just respond to relevant stuff

Red is an exception because he makes an actual NPC appearance unlike most others. I didnt know Elio existed but even then looking at the profile, at least its assuming a 'standard team', instead of giving us a whole region of pokemon and items and stuff to take into consideration.

Thats you catching a Dunsparce. The player. The players experience and choices in what the trainer catches isnt canonical to the actual character. They're blank slates and hardly characters on their own. Use the Masters EX version or smthn.

No one scales to the protags, cause they're NPCs, and their skill/power is entirely dependent on the player. The protag would instead scale to the NPCs, like how you can 'beat the champion'. Theres literally nothing about the player other than a few niche storybeats we can use anything from. Otherwise they're just a guessing game. And THEN you have to factor if you're giving them the national dex, or have access to any prior pokemon. allthough games like Sword and Shield started barring the Pokedex, its still unreasonable to assume the player cant physically catch and use a certain Pokemon if you're deadass giving them the ability to use any Pokemon they can.

They aren't the character's feats. They're the players feats. All we can say is they 'beat them', but we dont know how or the logistics of the battle. You're assuming a character out of player choice and theres no canonical reasoning.

 

[Jinx666]

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jesus christ its not even your reply lmao

This is what the PLAYER can do while controlling the character. However its a huge assumption and stretch to say they can use any mix of pokemon team and items and such when theres no set encounters for that. Its essentially just making a pokemon trainer OC for ppl to use in matches lmao.

Heck, 'Ethan' is just the characters canonical name. You choose your own name for your own separate adventure. Its really a stretch to be acting like the canon counterpart of this character has essenitally maxed out everything in the game and caught/mastered every single pokemon that you want to cram into one profile. Its pretty much like its compositing.

Idk, this shit just doesnt seem like it works for Pokemon. And i thought that was kinda obvious when people weren't making srs protagonist profiles (till Elio apparently, but even then thats a messy page full of too many assumptions).

TL;DR we're trying to say that the protagonist canonically does everything the player (us) chooses to do. And has mastered and caught every single pokemon. And we will essentially just treat them as 'here you can make ur OC for actual battles'

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yeah, but like ive been saying, its different with Pokemon since they can only use 6 Pokemon,

So, like most monster-collecting games in general (the limit might be different, but the concept is the same). Plus, the limited party thing applies to most RPG's anyway

and we cant really assume anything beyond the story plot.

So, like most RPG's.

Even assuming they completed the pokedex is a stretch because genuinely nothing relevant happens most of the time (other than Legends Arceus) to even say.

So like most optional content in most other RPG's.

Idk either way why ppl wanna do this at this point in time where the profiles are still heavily jumbled with random mashed media and the other half just being super outdated.

Because people want good, up-to-date profiles, and leaving out the protagonists and most of their stuff just makes them outdated anyway.

 

[Jinx666]

Plz stop split quoting if you're just gonna repeat the same thing over and over

Idk other 'monster collecting games' other than Pokemon but yh, If we're making profiles under the canonical names of 'Ethan' or 'Brendan' over 'The Player' or smthn, treating it as essentially compositing an entire region, and just making it a useless page for another representation of the player as opposed to an actual character, then its iffy. Pokemon sounds like the exception.

People did NOT want these profiles till this discussion lmao. If people are doing things all of a sudden just to try and break the mantra now then w/e, but its only gonna make this verse even messier and unorganised to begin with. Like, with Pokemon theres just WAY too many variables and unstandardised things for you to just be making a profile for the blankless no name fill in for you to play as, then being able to mix and match all these things under the way Pokemon canonically treats these characters.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Plz stop split quoting if you're just gonna repeat the same thing over and over

Sorry, I was being a bit snarky.

Idk other 'monster collecting games' other than Pokemon but yh,

Megami Tensei and its various spin-offs (Shin Megami Tensei, Devil Children, Persona, etcetera), Digimon, arguably many Final Fantasy games, etcetera.

Granted, I kind of forgot to include something that I wanted to mention earlier, and that's optional party members. See, lots of RPG's have completely optional party members (see various Final Fantasy characters, Dragon Quest characters, a billion and one Fire Emblem characters, etcetera), and yet we often have profiles for them and scale them like any other party member, so I don't see the reason to exclude Pokemon from this (especially since the whole point of the franchise, to the extent that it was the franchise's catch phrase for 20 years, is to "Catch 'Em All").

If we're making profiles under the canonical names of 'Ethan' or 'Brendan' over 'The Player' or smthn, treating it as essentially compositing an entire region, and just making it a useless page for another representation of the player as opposed to an actual character, then its iffy. Pokemon sounds like the exception.

The only reason I suggested titling the page as "Player" was to prevent the creation of separate pages for each gender protagonist because that would be needless bloat since, for all intents and purposes, Ethan and Lyra are exactly the same, vs-wise.

People did NOT want these profiles till this discussion lmao.

You might not have been around many years back because people did.

If people are doing things all of a sudden just to try and break the mantra now then w/e,

What mantra are you referring to?

but its only gonna make this verse even messier and unorganised to begin with.

I genuinely don't see how. They're just some more profiles.

Like, with Pokemon theres just WAY too many variables and unstandardised things for you to just be making a profile for the blankless no name fill in for you to play as, then being able to mix and match all these things under the way Pokemon canonically treats these characters.

But this whole conversation isn't new. This is a debate that has been had about RPG's, vs-wise, for a really long time, and the concensus, at least on this website, has been to include every that the characters can do. Pokemon isn't an exception; there's just a lot more stuff to index.

 

[Bobsican]

Maybe keep in the species profile as standard abilities all the moves the Pokémon learns by level up, alongside Nature and Abilities (unless special ones that require an event or something of the sort) and as optional everything that needs a trainer proper (Machines, Tutors, Breeding, Events, etc)?

Similar how Standard and Optional Equipment are handled.

That could work, although such kind of revisions could easily take months.

 

[Jinx666]

yeah, again im abridging it (you deadass dont need to write a paragraph of 'monster collecting games' for me)

Yeah, thats better, to call them 'Player' as opposed to treating this huge composite of player-based assumptions as mainline canon. Besides, when you choose one, the other becomes an actual other canonical character with a set team. Same with Lucas/Dawn, Brendan/May, Serena/Calem, Rei/Akari

The mantra that we dont have Protagonist profiles other than Red (and the one we do is bad and overbloated)

You genuinely should see how, since we're now for some reason pitching making like, 20+ profiles for pokemon protagonists that just composite literally every pokemon, item, ability etc. Like yeah, its excessive. Can we plz fix literally everything else abt this verse before we try and start this movement all of a sudden?

Pokemon very much should be the exception, since at least for stuff like Persona and SMT you have canon supplementary material about them from what i can assume, meanwhile in Pokemon these characters barely even have a standard 6-Pokemon team, and will only ever be used based on assumptions what they are and how they fight. They aren't characters lets be deadass. You cant say the same for characters like Joker.


But if you deadass wanna index an entire region just so ppl can put their Pokemon OCs in vs matchups then go ahead, but we rly should not be paging composited blank slate characters with little to no confirmed canon tbh. Pokemon really just is an exception here since we have barely anything to go off, or the nuclear option and we have to make the major assumption Ethan. Brendan, Lucas or w/e have EVERY pokemon in the game amongst all the other collectibles. Which is excessive and not canonically viable to label them as these names when its the Player

 

[Jinx666]

That could work, although such kind of revisions could easily take months.

The profiles for the Pokemon are treated as Species, not individually trained Pokemon. We should only consider what they can learn/do naturally in them for the sake of consistency, instead of then adding EVERY possible move they can learn. Especially when we want to designate Trained Pokemon reaching up to 2-B/2-A, but their species are only around High 6-C at most.

 

[Jinx666]

Like, the profiles are so shaky and packed with non-mainline games to begin with for the Species profiles?

Why are we giving them Pokemon Unite stuff? or 'IQ Skills'? Why are we using a Pokemon GO calc, thats not a cutscene, to decide that every Pokemon can be FTL+ essentially? (Every Pokemon can dodge a Solar beam in that game, not just Golem. Its literally just Game animations).

We fr just need to establish strictly Mainline games in profiles like this, and then designate separate pages to whatever else. But its Pokemon and theres tons of profiles so its just a slog.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Moving on from that subject, more onto the actual content of the profile;

For convenience I'll probs still be calling the subject of the profile as "Ethan/Lyra" but I do mean "The Player (Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver)"

My current plan is to separate them into keys, scaling on what they fight. I want to pitch separating them by badges (or other similar things)

So, let's take Ethan/Lyra

Tier: 9-B | At most Low 7-B | 7-B | High 7-A | High 6-C | High 6-A, possibly higher | 5-B | 2-B, likely 2-A

Key: Ethan | Pokémon Team (Pre-Zephyr Badge) | Pokémon Team (Zephyr Badge-Plain Badge) | Pokémon Team (Fog Badge-Hall of Fame) | Pokémon Team (Early Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Late Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Arceus Event)

Ethan is, well, Ethan/Lyra

Pre-Zephyr Badge is scaling to first-stage Pokémon, starters and the like

Zephyr Badge-Plain Badge is scaling to Falkner's Pidgeotto, a second-stage

Fog Badge-Hall of Fame is scaling to Morty's Gengar, the first third-stage Ethan faces. He doesn't fight a stronger foe until much later (tier-wise)

Early Post-Game covers his ability to face Kyogre, Groundon, and Rayquaza fairly early into the Kanto post-game

Late Post-Game covers Mewtwo and Red

Arceus Event covers, well, the Arceus event, where Ethan has an avatar of Arceus and one of the trio

 

[TartaChocholate]

That could work, although such kind of revisions could easily take months.

Yeah, some stuff I can think of that could speed things a little bit is to standarize formats for the species profiles and then fill them like a form of sorts.

yeah, again im abridging it (you deadass dont need to write a paragraph of 'monster collecting games' for me)

Yeah, thats better, to call them 'Player' as opposed to treating this huge composite of player-based assumptions as mainline canon. Besides, when you choose one, the other becomes an actual other canonical character with a set team. Same with Lucas/Dawn, Brendan/May, Serena/Calem, Rei/Akari

The mantra that we dont have Protagonist profiles other than Red (and the one we do is bad and overbloated)

You genuinely should see how, since we're now for some reason pitching making like, 20+ profiles for pokemon protagonists that just composite literally every pokemon, item, ability etc. Like yeah, its excessive. Can we plz fix literally everything else abt this verse before we try and start this movement all of a sudden?

Pokemon very much should be the exception, since at least for stuff like Persona and SMT you have canon supplementary material about them from what i can assume, meanwhile in Pokemon these characters barely even have a standard 6-Pokemon team, and will only ever be used based on assumptions what they are and how they fight. They aren't characters lets be deadass. You cant say the same for characters like Joker.


But if you deadass wanna index an entire region just so ppl can put their Pokemon OCs in vs matchups then go ahead, but we rly should not be paging composited blank slate characters with little to no confirmed canon tbh. Pokemon really just is an exception here since we have barely anything to go off, or the nuclear option and we have to make the major assumption Ethan. Brendan, Lucas or w/e have EVERY pokemon in the game amongst all the other collectibles. Which is excessive and not canonically viable to label them as these names when its the Player

I mean, that's also a possibility? I can see something. Maybe call the page "Player Character (Pokémon)", split the profile images between the generational duos that you can choose from (Brendan and May, Calem and Serena, so on). Regional gimmicks such as Mega Evolution and Dynamax can be split into tabs or keys or something, but specify when they can't be had at the same time. The issue I can also see is that their own feats would be mixed up. Or maybe not, given they are pretty standaraized among the series' human characters.

Their rival counterparts can get their own profiles given they do have standard sets. Something like Rival Lucas/Dawn (Pokemon) or whatever name works better.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Tier: 9-B | At most Low 7-B | 7-B | High 7-A | High 6-C | High 6-A, possibly higher | 5-B | 2-B, likely 2-A

Key: Ethan | Pokémon Team (Pre-Zephyr Badge) | Pokémon Team (Zephyr Badge-Plain Badge) | Pokémon Team (Fog Badge-Hall of Fame) | Pokémon Team (Early Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Late Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Arceus Event)

Something's wrong here. I forgot Lugia/Ho-oh

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I can see something. Maybe call the page "Player Character (Pokémon)", split the profile images between the generational duos that you can choose from (Brendan and May, Calem and Serena, so on)

Definitely not, we at least need to separate them by game lol

 

[Jinx666]

Why does it need 8 different keys?

Is it genuinely important enough to document the player Before and After 1 Gym badge?? Dont we have '(Tier) up to (Tier)' for that stuff

Also idk if the Arceus event should count given it was never officially released either.

Fr just, the guys physicals ig, Start-End game, and then Post Game should suffice

 

[Jinx666]

Unrelated too but we should also be looking at replacing all the un-credited fanart from the Verse page for the icons into at least official pictures, such as from the games or even the TCG if we want.

Like idk, the more i think about it, the more i feel we need to start purging the outdated/underdeveloped/mixing-canon profiles and start fresh, like what Fate is doing but on a less wiped out scale. It would certainly lessen the workload needed, and then people can start redoing pages once theres a clear and concise format.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Makes sense, so we can give them EVERYTHING everything, gotcha.

I did read something talking about how DLC/non-base game content was non-canon, but I highly disagree and so do most people, so I think the Arceus/Celebi events would be fair game.

I did find my old Ethan sandbox, but it's super outdated and not as completed as I remembered it being. I'll probably start from scratch

No, we can't give him everything. The Arceus event is only usable for Arceus, and we have Masters as noncanon here.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

yeah, again im abridging it (you deadass dont need to write a paragraph of 'monster collecting games' for me)

I mean, that part was just a sentence. The more important part was the second paragraph (that's really just a long, run-on sentence, my bad on that).

Yeah, thats better, to call them 'Player' as opposed to treating this huge composite of player-based assumptions as mainline canon. Besides, when you choose one, the other becomes an actual other canonical character with a set team. Same with Lucas/Dawn, Brendan/May, Serena/Calem, Rei/Akari

That's not it. I was going by the precedent of other pages like Minecraft Dungeon's "Heroes" where, despite being separate characters and having canonical names, we list them under the same page due to being functional identical. That's all.

The mantra that we dont have Protagonist profiles other than Red (and the one we do is bad and overbloated)

That's not a mantra (especially since Elio has a profile); it's just that no one made pages for the other protagonists yet.

You genuinely should see how, since we're now for some reason pitching making like, 20+ profiles for pokemon protagonists that just composite literally every pokemon, item, ability etc. Like yeah, its excessive.

Ok, and? We're a website about accuracy, not excluding stuff because it's excessive.

(Plus, the Pokemon themselves are already composites of stuff from across the franchise).

Can we plz fix literally everything else abt this verse before we try and start this movement all of a sudden?

Sure. I wasn't arguing for their creation right now.

Pokemon very much should be the exception,

Why?

since at least for stuff like Persona and SMT you have canon supplementary material about them from what i can assume,

For some characters? Sure. For most protagonists? Not even close.

meanwhile in Pokemon these characters barely even have a standard 6-Pokemon team, and will only ever be used based on assumptions what they are and how they fight.

That's a problem all RPG's with customizable move-sets and abilities (so almost all of them) have. Just look at a character like Terra Branford, for example. Most of her stuff is completely optional, including basically all of her Magicite and Equipment, yet it's included in her profile even though there's not much to actually indicate what she uses.

That's just how we treat RPG's (and for the record, I agree with this standard since there's not really a reason to ignore this stuff)..

They aren't characters lets be deadass. You cant say the same for characters like Joker.

To what degree they're a character is subjective, and honestly, not a lot of silent protagonists are better (in my opinion).

Plus, there is supplemental material (like the aforementioned Pokemon Masters EX) that does give a look at these characters and their personalities, so they're not entirely cardboard cutouts. (This applies to a lot of self-insert type characters like Joker, or Byleth from Fire Emblem, or Ritsuka Fujimaru from Fate/Grand Order, etcetera).

But if you deadass wanna index an entire region just so ppl can put their Pokemon OCs in vs matchups then go ahead, but we rly should not be treating characters with little to no confirmed canon.

I don't see how indexing what can and is done in the games is equivalent to making pages of "OC's," but ok.

Honestly, if you feel that way, you should make a thread to try and change how we treat RPG characters in general since Pokemon is not really different in that regard. (Though, I wish you good luck if you ever do that).

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

No, we can't give him everything.

Why?

The Arceus event is only usable for Arceus,

Ok, but how?

and we have Masters as noncanon here.

No we don't. It's just not treated as directly connected to the main games, but it's still canon to the franchise.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Unrelated too but we should also be looking at replacing all the un-credited fanart from the Verse page for the icons into at least official pictures, such as from the games or even the TCG if we want.

Like idk, the more i think about it, the more i feel we need to start purging the outdated/underdeveloped/mixing-canon profiles and start fresh, like what Fate is doing but on a less wiped out scale. It would certainly lessen the workload needed, and then people can start redoing pages once theres a clear and concise format.

It literally doesn't matter. We tried "fixing the images" for the Dragon Ball verse page and it looks like shit from a butt. That's why we have a "rule of cool" for verse page images.

 

[Jinx666]

It literally doesn't matter. We tried "fixing the images" for the Dragon Ball verse page and it looks like shit from a butt. That's why we have a "rule of cool" for verse page images.

Er no, im afraid. It does matter when it comes to using others' work

When its uncredited fan-art, thats not our art to just take without credit. I get its been there for ages, but if we can change it then we should out of respect for artists.

We have anime screencaps, official art and renders, Pokemon TCG/OCG, the various other spinoff games we can pull from, but it most definitely should be something we change in a revamp.

 

[Jinx666]

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Aight deadass, the split quote walls of texts with repeated ad hominem (why are you asking 'Why?', ive explained SO many times why i think Pokemon is the exception.), im just not carrying on with all that.

We're clearly just gonna go in loops and theres way more important stuff to talk abt if we're genuinely srs about fixing Pokemon on this site

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Moving on from that subject, more onto the actual content of the profile;

For convenience I'll probs still be calling the subject of the profile as "Ethan/Lyra" but I do mean "The Player (Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver)"

My current plan is to separate them into keys, scaling on what they fight. I want to pitch separating them by badges (or other similar things)

So, let's take Ethan/Lyra

Tier: 9-B | At most Low 7-B | 7-B | High 7-A | High 6-C | High 6-A, possibly higher | 5-B | 2-B, likely 2-A

Key: Ethan | Pokémon Team (Pre-Zephyr Badge) | Pokémon Team (Zephyr Badge-Plain Badge) | Pokémon Team (Fog Badge-Hall of Fame) | Pokémon Team (Early Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Late Post-Game) | Pokémon Team (Arceus Event)

Ethan is, well, Ethan/Lyra

Pre-Zephyr Badge is scaling to first-stage Pokémon, starters and the like

Zephyr Badge-Plain Badge is scaling to Falkner's Pidgeotto, a second-stage

Fog Badge-Hall of Fame is scaling to Morty's Gengar, the first third-stage Ethan faces. He doesn't fight a stronger foe until much later (tier-wise)

Early Post-Game covers his ability to face Kyogre, Groundon, and Rayquaza fairly early into the Kanto post-game

Late Post-Game covers Mewtwo and Red

Arceus Event covers, well, the Arceus event, where Ethan has an avatar of Arceus and one of the trio

I've actually been slowly working on an Ethan profile myself. Maybe we can collaborate.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Er no, im afraid. It does matter when it comes to using others' work

When its uncredited fan-art, thats not our art to just take without credit. I get its been there for ages, but if we can change it then we should out of respect for artists.

We have anime screencaps, official art and renders, Pokemon TCG/OCG, the various other spinoff games we can pull from, but it most definitely should be something we change in a revamp.

It is literally impossible for a verse of this size to maintain any uniform consistency with every single picture we use. "Uncredited fanart" is never ever an issue unless you want to get offended on their behalf.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Unrelated too but we should also be looking at replacing all the un-credited fanart from the Verse page for the icons into at least official pictures, such as from the games or even the TCG if we want.

That is something that does need to be done.

Like idk, the more i think about it, the more i feel we need to start purging the outdated/underdeveloped/mixing-canon profiles

Uh, I have to ask, did you miss the Pokemon canon thread? Basically everything is accepted as canon, and that's why the Pokemon species pages include everything the species can naturally do.

Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon

As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...

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and start fresh, like what Fate is doing but on a less wiped out scale.

I can tell you that that is not going well.

Plus, Agnaa made a thread in response to that thread, which proposes something that's (in my opinion) better, and it seems like the majority of staff agree with the proposal. We can use that to mark pages as outdated without needing to delete them.

It would certainly lessen the workload needed, and then people can start redoing pages once theres a clear and concise format.

I think people can do work on pages a bit at a time. It's not a race.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Definitely not, we at least need to separate them by game lol

Aye, aye, cap. I'm just throwing ideas at the wall until something good pops up.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I've seen verses try to "purge" their lower quality pages before.

It has never worked out.

All it ever does is make the verse smaller and ruin the progress of smaller creators' pages. What we need is versewide CRTs that encompass them, giving us a chance to fix them.

 

[Jinx666]

That is something that does need to be done.

Uh, I have to ask, did you miss the Pokemon canon thread? Basically everything is accepted as canon, and that's why the Pokemon species pages include everything the species can naturally do.

Yeah, and sadly thats proving to be the reason why this verse is so messy. For every 'proof of canon', theres more contradictions piling up.

Feels more like an excuse to try and composite everything and make it simpler tbh. But either way there is most definitely tons of Pokemon content that do NOT allign with eachother. Even if they exist in a multiverse or not, we cant say they scale to regular, mainline profiles. This is why people think its okay to use Masters EX

We are actively just creating way too much work and detracting from mainline canon.

I deadass want to see how Death Battle scales Ash in the 100th episode to get some form of basis, cause giving him 'Infinite reactions' is just insane.

I think people can do work on pages a bit at a time. It's not a race.

We've had ages and things haven't changed. Its time to downsize honestly.

It's not a race, its also not a paid job and not even that serious, but either way its getting more and more outdated with little to no work being done on it and theres no proof of fruit that progress is being done.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Aight deadass, the split quote walls of texts with repeated ad hominem

When did I use ad hominem? If I did, I apologize, but could use please point it out? I'd like to make sure I don't repeat that if I did.

Sorry for the split quotes, but I just find it easier to tackle each point separately. I think it's just useful for breaking down and compartmentalizing a debate that has different points in it (also, I'm way to used to Reddit where that's just what you do).

(why are you asking 'Why?', ive explained SO many times why i think Pokemon is the exception.),

And I've explained that none of your reasons are unique to Pokemon.

im just not carrying on with all that.

Ok. That's fine.

We're clearly just gonna go in loops and theres way more important stuff to talk abt if we're genuinely srs about fixing Pokemon on this site

Yeah, you're right.

 

[Jinx666]

All it ever does is make the verse smaller and ruin the progress of smaller creators' pages. What we need is versewide CRTs that encompass them, giving us a chance to fix them.

We need the verse to be smaller right now. Theres way too much outdated unmaintained profiles that its discouraging and this verse is getting nowhere.

We're not purging the majority of pages, but mainly just ones that no one is prepared to fix up, and would be better to wait until someone can actually remake it to todays standards.

 

[Jinx666]

Yh its fine, im just moving on from this now, we've got bigger fish to fry with this verse

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

“Nobody debates Pokemon anymore, time to delete all their profiles”

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I've seen verses try to "purge" their lower quality pages before.

It has never worked out.

All it ever does is make the verse smaller and ruin the progress of smaller creators' pages. What we need is versewide CRTs that encompass them, giving us a chance to fix them.

I agree with you on that.

 

[Jinx666]

Like obv idk the Fate situation properly and drc, but I can most definitely see Pokemon falls under the category of unorganised, outdated, unmaintained and scaling thats all over the place in way too many profiles.

And its discouraging to all of us cause its way too much work to bounce back from, and its just not getting done. Theres hardly any other verses in this condition. This idea of making everything canon is pretty stupid too imo since it helps create this. Like, we haven't even done anything for Scarlet and Violet, or even barely Legends Arceus.

But ofc, the nature of Pokemon itself is a headache for powerscaling and super dumb so I can understand why its turned out like this. I think drastic measures however need to be taken in order to start breaking this down better.

 

[Jinx666]

“Nobody debates Pokemon anymore, time to delete all their profiles”

i literally said nothing of the sort. Idrc about the match debates on this wiki. It's more deleting the ones that are clearly outdated and have nobody working to fix them in ages.

We clearly aren't handling or maintaining this verse well, and barely any of us are on the same page.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

is my funny 9-B mewtwo in danger of being hit with the 5-Bification beam

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Like obv idk the Fate situation properly and drc, but I can most definitely see Pokemon falls under the category of unorganised, outdated, unmaintained and scaling thats all over the place in way too many profiles.

And its discouraging to all of us cause its way too much work to bounce back from, and its just not getting done. Theres hardly any other verses in this condition. This idea of making everything canon is pretty stupid too imo since it helps create this. Like, we haven't even done anything for Scarlet and Violet, or even barely Legends Arceus.

But ofc, the nature of Pokemon itself is a headache for powerscaling and super dumb so I can understand why its turned out like this. I think drastic measures however need to be taken in order to start breaking this down better.

Because those games are shit, and your little tirade yesterday got my Galaxy Team profile taken down, so of course I'm NEVER touching that game again. If you want to help so bad, here's my 70% finished Iron Valiant profile, go finish it.

 

[Jinx666]

Like, why have we got a profile for a relativistic lawnmower? Thats not even rotom lmao

Idk lowkey, something needs to change