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Super Galaxy Bros: Return of the Grand Stars

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Let's try this again...

Summary​

Previously, I proposed bringing back the Power Star key for everybody. The whole objective of the Super Mario Galaxy games is to collect as many Power Stars as you can so you can face off against Bowser who is amped by a Grand Star. As I stated before, Bowser Jr. HEAVILY implies that the bosses who are refought are juiced up by The Grand Stars (which Power Stars should be similar to) and used them to obtain the form they take now. This should mean that the Grand Stars function in the same way that Power Stars do whenever users of them collect and draw power from them. For anyone wondering, yes, the Grand Stars are indeed classed as Power Stars within the game.

Proposal​

Seeing as how Bowser, Mario, Luigi, and potentially Yoshi are the only ones that have used the Grand Stars as shown in the Super Mario Galaxy games, I don't think every single character in the verse should be given a key for the Grand Stars; I only think these 3 or 4 characters should receive the key for the Grand Star. The rating will be based on this calculation I did for the black hole from the end of Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Conclusions​

I don't have much to say or conclude about this thread other than I'm not sure why 3 (give or take) of the characters shouldn't have it back given the reasoning I used for the Power Stars; it's not really an upgrade per se, but rather a simple addition that made a big difference for the Mario Bros cast in debates. Hopefully, this thread won't spark any controversy or lead to any violations as I have no intention for that, so I'll do what I can to keep this all in an affable and sophisticated manner.

Agree: @FinePoint, @ShakeResounding, @DarkDragonMedeus (agrees with 4-A casual attacks), @Just_a_Random_Butler, @Qawsedf234 (Agrees with 4-A Grand Star), @OrangeFR, @Apex_Predator_GX, @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agrees with 4-A Grand Star), @GyroNutz, @Dalesean027 (Agrees with 4-A Grand Star)
Disagree: @Armorchompy, @Cropfist,
Neutral:
 
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Omnificence said:
Previously, I proposed bringing back the Power Star key for everybody. The whole objective of the Super Mario Galaxy games is to collect as many Power Stars as you can so you can face off against Bowser who is amped by a Grand Star. As I stated before, Bowser Jr. HEAVILY implies that the bosses who are refought are juiced up by The Grand Stars (which Power Stars should be similar to) and used them to obtain the form they take now.
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Does he? He's just saying Kaliente's his ultimate weapon. I'm not even being sarcastic or anything, what is the implication here?
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This should mean that the Grand Stars function in the same way that Power Stars do whenever users of them collect and draw power from them.
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Omnificence said:
Seeing as how Bowser, Mario, and Luigi are the only ones that have used the Grand Stars as shown in the Super Mario Galaxy games, I don't think every single character in the verse should be given a key for 3-C. If at all possible, I was also thinking of granting Mario and Luigi a rating such as "up to 3-C with enough Power Stars" for their Power Star keys seeing as how one of the objectives of the game is to get as many Power Stars as you can to face off against a Grand Star-empowered Bowser. I don't expect the latter to get passed, however, so whatever the majority votes for here as long as the Grand Stars return for one to three more characters, I'm fine with it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a while but the only 3-C thing that Grand Stars have is being utilized as fuel to do a 3-C thing, there's no evidence that characters being steadily powered by one would get that much AP.
 
Armorchompy said:
Correct me if I'm wrong since it's been a while but the only 3-C thing that Grand Stars have is being utilized as fuel to do a 3-C thing, there's no evidence that characters being steadily powered by one would get that much AP.
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What's your vote, then? Should I put you down as disagree or neutral? I would like more input on your reasoning, please.
 
Should probably actually calc the feat first. idk if it's 3-C, 4-A, 4-B or even 3-B.

Post scans. Im fine with a key for them, theyre obviously amped a fuckton. How much though depends, what are the statements? Theres probably something giving us an idea to what extent, maybe full 1:1 even, maybe not, but we need scans, and obviously we'd need them anyway to link on the profile so...

Get looking or posting ig, im fine with whatever as long as there's proof.

Youll probably wanna check for Koops in particular given he has the grand stars.
 
Chariot190 said:
Should probably actually calc the feat first. idk if it's 3-C, 4-A, 4-B or even 3-B.

Post scans. Im fine with a key for them, theyre obviously amped a fuckton. How much though depends, what are the statements? Theres probably something giving us an idea to what extent, maybe full 1:1 even, maybe not, but we need scans, and obviously we'd need them anyway to link on the profile so...

Get looking or posting ig, im fine with whatever as long as there's proof.

Youll probably wanna check for Koops in particular given he gas the grand stars.
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I'm not really sure what there is to calculate and I haven't played the Super Mario Galaxy games a lot, but unless there's something I haven't looked at, I thought about using the calculation @Psychomaster35 made for creating a pocket dimension housing a galaxy. I'll find what I can on the Grand Stars and update as soon as I can.
 
I already have specific feats in mind. But that's less important than figuring out if they actually scale 1:1. If they do, theres probably a statement in something, id figure if any it be regarding Koops so....
Have fun.

Once we know for sure, calcing shit aint hard.

Obviously some feats dont count (a star killing itself to do a feat aint exactly standard, nor would anyone using it scale to the suicide feat otherwise itd drain or kill the very star theyre using to amp, yet that doesnt happen, basically Light of Aether-type caveat). But theres a few, as long as you can prove viable scaling to grand stars there's stuff.
 
Tried having a look myself and everything I found in the game and in stuff like the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia all just say some variation of "Bowser gets big and strong".

Grand Stars also have a healthy glow when they knocked outta Bowser whereas they turn more bronze and stop glowing when most of their power is drained and being used up like when making... whatever the hell that purple energy thing is in the clip I linked, so make of that what you will when it comes to if Bowser is actually using their full power for his attacks.
 
I think Dust Collector's link does make the 1:1 interpretation somewhat less likely.
 
Honestly in relation to the grand stars I may as well ask here, do we have any scans that would allow 1:1 scaling with the Power Stars to justify the High 4-C keys either?
 
You know what? On second thought, I don't feel like continuing this thread; I didn't plan it well in advance and I don't want the same thing that happened the first two times to happen a third time. Can I get someone to close this, please?
 
Now hold on.

Obviously it could have been planned better, but we still need keys for them.

What we need to figure out is basically a grand star's output per second or casual feats for it.
 
Chariot190 said:
Now hold on.

Obviously it could have been planned better, but we still need keys for them.

What we need to figure out is basically a grand star's output per second or casual feats for it.
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Meh... I guess we can leave it open, then; I just don't want the same thing to happen a third time and get banned again.
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I already have specific feats in mind.
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Anyways, what feats did you have in mind as you previously stated?
 
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Meh... I guess we can leave it open, then; I just don't want the same thing to happen a third time and get banned again.
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Just be chill dude. It can literally only result in a stronger key at this point, even basic power stars have casual 6-A to 5-C shit, we just dont bother with those because it's below what theyre scaled to. If what you want is a bigger number, youll get that, even if said number aint as big as you initially wanted.

Omnificence said:
Anyways, what feats did you have in mind as you previously stated?
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Black hole shit.
 
Chariot190 said:
Just be chill dude. It can literally only result in a stronger key at this point, even basic power stars have casual 6-A to 5-C shit, we just dont bother with those because it's below what theyre scaled to. If what you want is a bigger number, youll get that, even if said number aint as big as you initially wanted.
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Alright, then; thanks for your help.
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Black hole shit
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I could probably help calculate one or a few of these instances. Where do you suggest I start?
Chariot190 said:
I already have specific feats in mind. But that's less important than figuring out if they actually scale 1:1. If they do, theres probably a statement in something, id figure if any it be regarding Koops so....
Have fun.

Once we know for sure, calcing shit aint hard.

Obviously some feats dont count (a star killing itself to do a feat aint exactly standard, nor would anyone using it scale to the suicide feat otherwise itd drain or kill the very star theyre using to amp, yet that doesnt happen, basically Light of Aether-type caveat). But theres a few, as long as you can prove viable scaling to grand stars there's stuff.
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However, if it's the scaling part we're worried about, I can take care of that, but I don't understand why we'd need to calculate any specific feats for the Grand Star given the current stats it already has on the profile. I mean, it's already tiered at 3-C for creating a galaxy and Bowser has 3-C with preparation when using a Grand Star, so why would we need to calculate anything else for the artifact?
 
Sorry for the late reply, everyone; let's pick up where we left off.

Okay, there's a problem with the black hole formula here according to Dale and Chariot: After attempting to calculate the black hole at the end of Super Mario Galaxy 2 by using one of the galaxies in the background to pixel-scale the size of it, the result yielded an underwhelming tier 4 rating. The formula's rule is to use earth masses if the black hole is smaller than the 4-C baseline & sun masses if it's larger than that, but in this case this seems to cause it to enter a threshold where sun masses undersell the actual mass of the black hole, and I'm sure we all can agree a tier 4 mass for a black hole that's larger than galaxies is pretty illogical.

Now, what I propose is we disregard calculating the black hole, give Mario & Luigi the 3-C rating with the same description the Grand Star and Bowser with preparation when using a Grand Star, and have someone create a CRT to address these problems with the black hole formula.

So, what's the consensus here, peeps?
 
Omnificence said:
I'm sure we all can agree a tier 4 mass for a black hole that's larger than galaxies is pretty illogical.
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Not a calc expert so that sounds about right.
Omnificence said:
Now, what I propose is we disregard calculating the black hole, give Mario & Luigi the 3-C rating with the same description the Grand Star and Bowser with preparation
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Neutral for now.
 
Omnificence said:
The formula's rule is to use earth masses if the black hole is smaller than the 4-C baseline & sun masses if it's larger than that,
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ever-so-slight correction: it's whichever object it's closer to in mass
if it's closer to the Earth in mass (i.e. below half of the Sun's mass bc you find the midpoint and Earth's mass is basically irrelevant in comparison), then you multiply baseline 5-B by however many times heavier than the planet it is
if it's closer to the Sun in mass, you do the above process but with baseline 4-C instead

it's just a consequence of the fact that the mass and radius of a black hole are linearly correlated that means they seem to be so much weaker than their size would imply
a black hole the size of the milky way is ~40x baseline 4-A
 
SeijiSetto said:
ever-so-slight correction: it's whichever object it's closer to in mass
if it's closer to the Earth in mass (i.e. below half of the Sun's mass bc you find the midpoint and Earth's mass is basically irrelevant in comparison), then you multiply baseline 5-B by however many times heavier than the planet it is
if it's closer to the Sun in mass, you do the above process but with baseline 4-C instead

it's just a consequence of the fact that the mass and radius of a black hole are linearly correlated that means they seem to be so much weaker than their size would imply
a black hole the size of the milky way is ~40x baseline 4-A
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I got a result lower than 4-A; I'll admit, I kinda suck at doing black hole calculations, so I dunno what I did wrong on this one. I'd appreciate an evaluation.
 
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I got a result lower than 4-A; I'll admit, I kinda suck at doing black hole calculations, so I dunno what I did wrong on this one. I'd appreciate an evaluation.
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i'll give it a proper look over in a bit (and leave a comment on the blog) but i can tell you've gotten it wrong even at a glance because of your final measurement
a lightyear is ~9.4e15m
you say the black hole is some 5 million lightyears in diameter and yet when you convert that to metres you get a result about the same size as a single lightyear
 
SeijiSetto said:
i'll give it a proper look over in a bit (and leave a comment on the blog) but i can tell you've gotten it wrong even at a glance because of your final measurement
a lightyear is ~9.4e15m
you say the black hole is some 5 million lightyears in diameter and yet when you convert that to metres you get a result about the same size as a single lightyear
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I commented in blog, he apparently did use correct number in the calculator. But simply forgot to put the line of "2,727,659 lightyears * (9.4607E+15 meters/lightyear) = 2.5805564e+22 meters" between lines.
 
SeijiSetto said:
i'll give it a proper look over in a bit (and leave a comment on the blog) but i can tell you've gotten it wrong even at a glance because of your final measurement
a lightyear is ~9.4e15m
you say the black hole is some 5 million lightyears in diameter and yet when you convert that to metres you get a result about the same size as a single lightyear
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I commented in blog, he apparently did use correct number in the calculator. But simply forgot to put the line of "2,727,659 lightyears * (9.4607E+15 meters/lightyear) = 2.5805564e+22 meters" between lines.
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I put the number in, but I still got the same result.
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Omnificence said:
I put the number in, but I still got the same result.
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Your math is all correct, you just haven't actually read the AP chart right.
1.88 * 10^51 Tons of TNT is 4-A.
you have not converted it to FOE correctly, 1 FOE = 10^44 Joules, so your result is actually 4.970 * 10^16 FOE, or 49.70 PetaFOE, which is... 4-A, since it's the same number just in a different unit.
 
SeijiSetto said:
Your math is all correct, you just haven't actually read the AP chart right.
1.88 * 10^51 Tons of TNT is 4-A.
you have not converted it to FOE correctly, 1 FOE = 10^44 Joules, so your result is actually 4.970 * 10^16 FOE, or 49.70 PetaFOE, which is... 4-A, since it's the same number just in a different unit.
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Oh... Eh-heh! Sorry, guys; my bad. 😅

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I feel like we need better evidence that Grand Stars and Power Stars are functionally the same things.

Mario has always been pretty particular with its wording of different things, so I doubt they'd change the name for no reason.
 
FinePoint said:
I feel like we need better evidence that Grand Stars and Power Stars are functionally the same things.

Mario has always been pretty particular with its wording of different things, so I doubt they'd change the name for no reason.
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What's your vote?
 
Grand Stars are more powerful than typical Power Stars, but beyond that, they're typically have much of the same features.
 
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