Fix the Ink Machine (Bendy Verse Clean-Up Thread)

[InkyBattles]

The script refers to the specific events of the game that we see.

The script refers to the events of the Cycle itself, and the events of the Bendy and the Dark Revival game specifically take at least 6 mouth after Wilson and the Keepers began changing the script. This is supported by Wilson who states that he killed the Ink Demon 211 days before Audrey arrives which never happened in the original script.

And events refers to the past, present and future, if you can provided a valid explanation about how 211 days before events the game is referring to during events the game then I would agree with you. But that is pretty much impossible because past and present are two different things.

If the keepers didn't intervene then they wouldn't have changed the script as they would have been nonfactors.

Yes, that is my point.

 

[HASE-1929]

The script refers to the events of the Cycle itself

Then that would mean things like Fade to Black, Boris and The Dark Survival were part of the script."

Yes, that is my point.

You said they interfered and affected it by existing.
What I'm saying is that if they hadn't met Henry or anyone important in the story, they wouldn't have affected the script in any way.

 

[InkyBattles]

Then that would mean things like fade to black,Boris and the dark survival were part of the script.

If you are considering Boris and the Dark Survival and Lone Wolf the same thing then yes. Lone Wolf takes place during the events of the changed script but from Boris’s perspective.

However, the books are an expanded universe that between canon and non-canon therefore Fade to Black Novelization isn't part of the Cycle’s script in the games at least. You could argue that the games and the books have parallels though.

You said they interfered and affected it by existing.
But what I'm saying is that if they didn't meet Henry they would have not affected the script in any way

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am saying that they affected the script before they meet Henry, Alice, Sammy, etc. Therefore, Henry’s imprisonment couldn’t have changed the Cycle’s script as Wilson and the Keepers were already changing the script before they imprisoned him.

 

[InkyBattles]

So Wilson and the Keepers existed inside the Cycle that is what started changing the Cycle’s script because they didn’t exist in the original script. They imprisoned Henry after that happened fearing that he would reset the Cycle and revert their changes.

 

[HASE-1929]

If you are considering Boris and the Dark Survival and Lone Wolf the same thing then yes. Lone Wolf takes place during the events of the changed script but from Boris’s perspective.

Lone Wolf and Dark Survival are, I'm pretty sure, two completely separate things in the timeline.

Dark Survival takes place before Ink Machine (it just happens in the Dark Revival cycle).

And Lone Wolf takes place during Dark Survival.

Dark Survival has no impact on the script and seems to just happen naturally, instead of being a story Joey made in the cycle.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am saying that they affected the script before they meet Henry, Alice, Sammy, etc. Therefore, Henry imprisonment couldn’t have changed the Cycle’s script as Wilson and the Keepers were already changing the script before they imprisoned him.

Couldn't this be said for anything in the cycle, though? Anything considered 'intrusive'? I don't think it makes much sense to say the Keepers get special scaling just because they act as an intrusive force, something unnatural to the cycle—something any average Joe in Bendy could do if they find the machine.

 

[InkyBattles]

Lone wolf and dark survival im pretty sure are two completey separate things in the timeline.
Dark survival takes place before ink machine (it just happens in the dark revival cycle)
And lone wolf takes place during dark survival.
Dark survival has no impact on the script and seems to just happen naturally instead of being a story Joey made in the cycle.

They changed the lore.

“To be clear BendyLoneWolf is a MAJOR update and overhaul of Boris and the Dark Survival. It is the same game but with a ton of new content, new and updated mechanics, more complete features, combat, challenges, extras, and an actual ending! Launching on Steam first as an update!” - The Meatly

Couldn't this be said for anything in the cycle tho anything considered "intrusive" I don't think it makes much sense to say the keepers get special scaling because they act as an intrusive force and something not natural to the cycle (something any average joe in bendy could do if they find the machine)

Not really, because the monsters and locations in Bendy and the Dark Revival are “intrusive” exists because of Wilson and the Keepers changes and manipulation over the Cycle.

You are basically saying that if a plot manipulator and reality warping creates new objects or beings considered “intrusive” to the universe that they are altering. And that the beings and objects they added through their manipulation should also be reality warpers and plot manipulators which isn’t how it works.

 

[HASE-1929]

You are basically saying that if a plot manipulator and reality warping creates new objects or beings considered “intrusive” to the universe that they are altering. And that beings and objects they added through their manipulation should also be reality warpers and plot manipulators which isn’t how it works.

I'm saying the Keepers aren't special when compared to other ink creatures; they are only smarter and physically stronger than most people in the cycle.

I'm not saying they are altering anything; I'm actively against the Keepers being able to do anything to the cycle.

 

[InkyBattles]

Im saying the keepers aren't special when compared to other ink creatures they are only smart and physically strong which is nothing really new to the cycle.
I'm not saying they are altering anything I'm actively against the keepers being able to do anything to the cycle

That’s fine, I just wanted you to see where I was coming from because it is clear you misunderstood a lot of what I said.

 

[HASE-1929]

This is my suggestion for how the scaling should work for the verse to avoid any complications relating to who scales to what and all (more input from supporters would be appreciated for this):

Low Tiers (Lost Ones, Baby Widows, Searchers, Cartoon Bendy, The Butcher Gang) would be 9-A, as they are capable of hurting Henry, though not by much. Henry completely tanked the metal wall feat unharmed so they would upscale it due to being able to inflict harm

Mid Tiers would also be 9-A (anyone not mentioned in Low, High, or God Tier). These characters are semi comparable to Henry or, in some cases, are outright superior to him being able to knock him out.

High Tiers (Bertrum, The Lurker, Norman Polk, Giant Searcher, Brute Boris, Giant River Hand) would be at least 9-A. Most of them can kill Henry and Audrey in one blow and other Mid Tiers very quickly

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

1.The Ink Machine created the cycle, Shipahoy Dudley, and Bendy/the ink demon, Wilson stated the machine was 'beyond any measure' and it took multiple blows from Bendy without being damaged.

2.Bendy/the ink demon is capable of shaking and stopping the cycle from growing just by existing. He is also feared by everything in the cycle and is considered a god/savior, He can tear apart high-tier characters in fights and ripped out Shipahoy Dudleys throat after casually pinning him down.

3.shipahoy Dudley was created specifically to fight Bendy, while still massively inferior to bendy, he should be superior to the cycle due to this purpose, stated to be 'powerful beyond anyone' and casually overpowered Audrey and ripped off her legs

 

[InkyBattles]

I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't think it makes sense within the game's narrative and story, as the Keepers aren't special nor considered that strong. The archives literally describe them as things without purpose; they are just things Wilson can use and throw away.
And Using the only thing implying the keepers scaling to it would also mean creatures like the King Widow should scale as well, since they weren't part of the cycle until Bendy was captured.

You misunderstood a lot of what the game was implying. However, I’m done with this argument on this content revision thread this is a context revision thread about the vandalism situation.

This is my suggestion for how the scaling should work for the verse (more input from supporters would be appreciated for this):

Low Tiers (Lost Ones, Baby Widows, Searchers, Cartoon Bendy, The Butcher Gang) would be 9-A, as they are capable of hurting Henry, though not by much. Henry completely tanked the metal wall feat unharmed so they would scale to it due to being able to inflict harm

Mid Tiers would also be 9-A (anyone not mentioned in Low, High, or God Tier). These characters are semi comparable to Henry or, in some cases, are outright superior to him being able to knock him out.

High Tiers (Bertrum, The Lurker, Norman Polk, Giant Searcher, Brute Boris, Giant River Hand) would be at least 9-A. Most of them can kill Henry and Audrey in one blow and other Mid Tiers very quickly

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

1.The Ink Machine created the cycle, Shipahoy Dudley, and Bendy/the ink demon, Wilson stated the machine was 'beyond any measure' and it took multiple blows from Bendy without being damaged.

2.Bendy/the ink demon is capable of shaking and stopping the cycle from growing just by existing. He is also feared by everything in the cycle and is considered a god/savior, He can tear apart high-tier characters in fights and ripped out Shipahoy Dudleys throat after casually pinning him down.

3.shipahoy Dudley was created specifically to fight Bendy, while still massively inferior to bendy, he should be superior to the cycle due to this purpose, stated to be 'powerful beyond anyone' and casually overpowered Audrey and ripped off her legs

I disagree with Ship-Ahoy Wilson. Yes, Wilson does refer to Ship-Ahoy Dudley as “powerful beyond anyone”. However, it is important to understand he is talking about what Ship-Ahoy Dudley could’ve been if processed by Audrey’s soul. And him ripping Audrey’s legs off isn’t any special, the Lost Ones were stated to be capable of tearing Audrey apart, the Keepers were stated to be capable of tearing Audrey apart, and ripping Audrey’s legs off should make him high-tier because without the Illusion of Living book in her standard equipment Audrey scales high-tier. Also I don’t think you quick realize Ship-Ahoy Wilson does FAR LESS damage than the Keepers themselves.

Regardless, you should also make another content revision thread for this because this content revision thread is discussing everyone thoughts about the vandalism situation.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the staff conclusions here so far, and does Dark-Carioca need to calculate any feats for you?

 

[HASE-1929]

And him ripping Audrey’s legs off isn’t any special, the Lost Ones were stated to be capable of tearing Audrey apart

The lost ones threatened to do it, but the game makes it pretty clear they are still inferior to Audrey.

Also I don’t think you quick realize Ship-Ahoy Wilson does FAR LESS damage than the Keepers themselves.

The cutscenes are more reliable than the damage he does in the boss fight as
He literally grabs her and tears off her legs.
So the damage he does is irrelevant if a cutscene directly goes against it
Also, if he did as much damage as the keepers, that would be horrible game design because the fight would be far harder to nearly impossible

I disagree with Ship-Ahoy Wilson. Yes, Wilson does refer to Ship-Ahoy Dudley as “powerful beyond anyone”. However, it is important to understand he is talking about what Ship-Ahoy Dudley

Audrey's soul was needed so Shipahoy Dudley wouldn't be uncontrollable.

'How would we control him? We don't want to repeat Joey's mistake.'
Also it lacking Audrey's soul doesn't dismiss the months of research and effort Wilson put into it

Regardless, you should also make another content revision thread for this because this content revision thread is discussing everyone thoughts about the vandalism situation.

Why would talking about vandalism and offering no solutions/suggestions help fix the profiles?

This thread is about remaking the profiles, which is why the calculations are also being done, unless you want to say those are irrelevant as well.

 

[Antvasima]

What are the staff conclusions here so far, and does Dark-Carioca need to calculate any feats for you?

Again...

 

[HASE-1929]

Again...

Sorry I didn't respond.
But I've always wanted this

To be calced as its one of the few feats in the first game that isn't done by a high tier in the verse

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry I didn't respond.
But I've always wanted this

To calced as its one of the few feats in the first game that isn't done by a high tier in the verse

Thank you.

@Dark-Carioca

Are you willing to handle this please?

 

[InkyBattles]

The lost ones threatened to do it, but the game makes it pretty clear they are still inferior to Audrey.

Actually fair

The cutscenes are more reliable than the damage he does in the boss fight as
He literally grabs her and tears off her legs.
So the damage he does is irrelevant if a cutscene directly goes against it
Also, if he did as much damage as the keepers, that would be horrible game design because the fight would be far harder to nearly impossible.

Ship-Ahoy Wilson only cutscene feat is ripping Audrey’s legs off which is a lifting strength feat. I’m talking about his attack potency during the boss fight is far less than the Keepers. You cannot use a lifting striength feat to debunk an attack potency feat as attack potency and lifting strength are two different stats.

Audrey's soul was needed so Shipahoy Dudley wouldn't be uncontrollable. How would we control him? We don't want to repeat Joey's mistake.'Also it lacking Audrey's soul doesn't dismiss the months of research and effort Wilson put into it

I don’t think you understand what “power beyond anyone” means. “Beyond everyone” basically means that Ship-Ahoy would have been far superior to everyone within the Cycle, but the Ink Demon himself. This is supported by Wilson who states that Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s was created to overthrow the Ink Demon himself. However, because Ship-AhoyWilson’s soul was processed by Wilson, not Audrey. The Ink Demon was far superior to Ship-Ahoy Wilson which completely contradicts your argument about “power beyond anyone” also referring to Ship-Ahoy Dudley being processed by Wilson’s soul.

Why would talking about vandalism and offering no solutions/suggestions help fix the profiles?

This thread is about remaking the profiles, which is why the calculations are also being done, unless you want to say those are irrelevant as well.

Yes, I am gonna say those are also irrelevant. Because “Remaking” and “fix” wouldn’t be the correct term as that implies to already existing things, not the new things that were never accepted to begin with like Ship-Ahoy Wilson and the Ink Demon scaling to the Ink Machine or the new calcations that isn’t the Henry being smacked through a wall (which was the only one added during the vandalism) that weren’t added into the profile pages as vandalism to begin with. Unless you can show me where these calculations and god-tier suggestions were added?

 

[InkyBattles]

But if everyone else says recommending new things are fine than that is fine with me there is just a different between creating something new and re-creating that already exists which for the most part wasn’t what you were doing.

 

[HASE-1929]

I’m completely aware. But considering the Lost Ones can harm and kill Audrey it is most certainly possible.

Which takes many blows to do.

Ship-Ahoy Wilson only cutscene feat is ripping Audrey’s legs off which is a lifting strength feat. I’m talking about his attack potency during the boss fight is far less than the Keepers. You cannot use a lifting striength feat to debunk an attack potency feat as attack potency and lifting strength are two different stats.

So bendy killing the projectionist isn't applicable because he snapped his neck and ripped off his head?

I don’t think you understand what “power beyond anyone” means. “Beyond everyone” basically means that Ship-Ahoy would have been far superior to everyone within the Cycle, but the Ink Demon himself. This is supported by Wilson who states that Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s was created to overthrow the Ink Demon himself. However, because Ship-AhoyWilson’s soul was processed by Wilson, not Audrey. The Ink Demon was far superior to Ship-Ahoy Wilson which completely contradicts your argument about “power beyond anyone” also referring to Ship-Ahoy Dudley being processed by Wilson’s soul.

Honestly, Bendy should be a complete exception when it comes to statements like this. Wilson didn't even know he could evolve; all he knew was that he could shake the cycle and that he was really powerful. Also, The whole soul argument doesn’t work because when Audrey took away his soul, literally nothing happened—there was no difference in power. He just became really mad. This actually supports the fact that Audrey’s soul was needed for control

Yes, I am gonna say those are also irrelevant. Because “Remaking” and “fix” wouldn’t be the correct term as that implies to already existing things, not the new things that were never accepted to begin with like Ship-Ahoy Wilson and the Ink Demon scaling to the Ink Machine or the new calcations that isn’t the Henry being smacked through a wall (which was the only one added during the vandalism) that weren’t added into the profile pages as vandalism to begin with. Unless you can show me where these calculations and god-tier suggestions were added?

• Remaking profiles
  • Some profiles are worse off than others. While a handful can stay, others will be easier to scrub and just start from scratch

not the new things that were never accepted to begin with like Ship-Ahoy Wilson and the Ink Demon scaling to the Ink Machine or the new calcations

I never said they would get a rating based on the Ink Machine. In their individual sections, I never brought up the machine because they don't scale to it. When I did mention them next to the machine it was for the machines rating not theirs

 

[InkyBattles]

Honestly, Bendy should be a complete exception when it comes to statements like this. Wilson didn't even know he could evolve; all he knew was that he could shake the cycle and that he was really powerful. Also, The whole soul argument doesn’t work because when Audrey took away his soul, literally nothing happened—there was no difference in power. He just became really mad. This actually supports the fact that Audrey’s soul was needed for control

Actually, Audrey took away Wilson’s soul from his original body. And didn’t realize or forgot that Wilson was no longer possessing his original body but rather Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s body.

And my over all point that Wilson isn’t “power beyond everyone” still stands.

I never said they would get a rating based on the Ink Machine. In their individual sections, I never brought up the machine because they don't scale to it. When I did mention them next to the machine it was for the machines rating not theirs

Right here.

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

You were planning on putting the Ink Demon and Ship-Ahoy at the tiering as the Ink Machine itself.

• Remaking profiles
  • Some profiles are worse off than others. While a handful can stay, others will be easier to scrub and just start from scratch

Exactly, they are remaking profile pages from unaccepted changes that people were adding by removing the unaccepted changes, they didn’t ask for these following changes you were suggesting:

This is my suggestion for how the scaling should work for the verse (more input from supporters would be appreciated for this):

Low Tiers (Lost Ones, Baby Widows, Searchers, Cartoon Bendy, The Butcher Gang) would be 9-A, as they are capable of hurting Henry, though not by much. Henry completely tanked the metal wall feat unharmed so they would scale to it due to being able to inflict harm

Mid Tiers would also be 9-A (anyone not mentioned in Low, High, or God Tier). These characters are semi comparable to Henry or, in some cases, are outright superior to him being able to knock him out.

High Tiers (Bertrum, The Lurker, Norman Polk, Giant Searcher, Brute Boris, Giant River Hand) would be at least 9-A. Most of them can kill Henry and Audrey in one blow and other Mid Tiers very quickly

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

1.The Ink Machine created the cycle, Shipahoy Dudley, and Bendy/the ink demon, Wilson stated the machine was 'beyond any measure' and it took multiple blows from Bendy without being damaged.

2.Bendy/the ink demon is capable of shaking and stopping the cycle from growing just by existing. He is also feared by everything in the cycle and is considered a god/savior, He can tear apart high-tier characters in fights and ripped out Shipahoy Dudleys throat after casually pinning him down.

3.shipahoy Dudley was created specifically to fight Bendy, while still massively inferior to bendy, he should be superior to the cycle due to this purpose, stated to be 'powerful beyond anyone' and casually overpowered Audrey and ripped off her legs

And

Honestly, Bendy should be a complete exception when it comes to statements like this. Wilson didn't even know he could evolve; all he knew was that he could shake the cycle and that he was really powerful. Also, The whole soul argument doesn’t work because when Audrey took away his soul, literally nothing happened—there was no difference in power. He just became really mad. This actually supports the fact that Audrey’s soul was needed for control

Which is why said that these changes were irrelevant in this CRT.

 

[HASE-1929]

Actually, Audrey took away Wilson’s soul from his original body. And didn’t realize or forgot that Wilson was no longer possessing his original body but rather Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s body.

You do realize banish like directly targets the soul right? We have no reason to assume it didn't target Wilson's soul.

You were planning on putting the Ink Demon and Ship-Ahoy at the tiering as the Ink Machine itself.

No, I said they were all Low 2-C, not that they scale to the machine.

Just because I said they were all god-tier within the verse doesn’t mean I scale them to each other.

Also, the way I set it up was so that it would be: The Ink Machine >>> Bendy >>> Shipahoy Dudley.

Exactly, they are remaking profile pages from unaccepted changes that people were adding by removing the unaccepted changes, they didn’t ask for these following changes you were suggesting:

First of all, no, Low 2-C isn’t something that hasn’t been discussed before. It was one of the CRTs on the list, which was related to bendy, so I’m not talking about something completely new and irrelevant to this.

Second of all, The rest of what I suggested was also not irrelevant to the verse
Me saying who should be low-high tier,the tier they would get and why isn't irrelevant at all actually.

 

[InkyBattles]

Sorry about the late reply I have been quite busy…

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You do realize banish like directly targets the soul right? We have no reason to assume it didn't target Wilson's soul.

We do. Remember, the banish ability also effects the ink (aka the Dark Puddles) itself which doesn't have a soul, as shown with Audrey using the banish ability the ink in order to free Porter. And Wilson stated that the machine he created swaps one’s soul from one vessel into Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s vessel which explains why Audrey banishing the remains of his old vessel inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach didn’t banish Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel. Because she banished the remains of his old vessel inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach which is a separate vessel from Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s vessel. And Wilson’s soul was possessing Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel not the remains of his old vessel inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach. And if you payed attention to Bendy and the Dark Revival you should know that the Banish ability disintegrates entire body of an ink monsters body, as shown with the Lost Ones and Searchers. However, doesn’t banish the remains of his physical body inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach with Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel which further supports that the remains of his vessel inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach and Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel being separate vessels.

No, I said they were all Low 2-C, not that they scale to the machine.

Just because I said they were all god-tier within the verse doesn’t mean I scale them to each other.

Also, the way I set it up was so that it would be: The Ink Machine >>> Bendy >>> Shipahoy Dudley.

Yes, my apologies. I was referring to the fact that you stated that the Ink Demon and Ship-Ahoy Dudley were the same tiering as the Ink Machine which wasn’t added onto any of the vandalized profiles pages with being accepted making it irrelevant with this Content Revision Thread. As people helping fix the Bendy verse vandalism by removing or reverting existing profile pages and you wanting to add new powers and abilities are two different things.

First of all, no, Low 2-C isn’t something that hasn’t been discussed before. It was one of the CRTs on the list, which was related to bendy, so I’m not talking about something completely new and irrelevant to this.

Second of all, The rest of what I suggested was also not irrelevant to the verse
Me saying who should be low-high tier,the tier they would get and why isn't irrelevant at all actually.

Where did I state 2-C content Revision Thread didn’t get discussed before? Heck, I made an accepted Content Revision Thread which upgraded Wilson to universal level+ to low multiverse level with the Illusion of Living myself.

I’ll repeat myself again, I am saying that content Revision Thread is talking about what we should do about the unaccepted changes that were added onto the profile pages on VsBattlesWiki are removing them and recreating them, or are we reverting them back to how they were before they were vandalized not about adding upgrades. Therefore, you should make a separate Content Revision Thread if you wanna upgrade the Ink Demon and Ship-Ahoy Wilson to low 2-C. Yes, there are list with links to other Content Revision Thread inside this Content Revision Thread made to upgrade the Bendy verse. However, notice how those people actually created another Content Revision Thread and didn’t discuss those here. So with that being said, if you wanna compare yourself to them you should do the same.

 

[Antvasima]

So what revisions here have been accepted by our staff so far, or do we need further staff input?

 

[InkyBattles]

So what revisions here have been accepted by our staff so far, or do we need further staff input?

As explained here:

Where did I state 2-C content Revision Thread didn’t get discussed before? Heck, I made an accepted Content Revision Thread which upgraded Wilson to universal level+ to low multiverse level with the Illusion of Living myself.

I made a low 2-C to 2-C Wilson with the Illusion of Living CRT a while ago which got accepted as I know there as a lot of confusion about Wilson’s low 2-C to 2-C tiering. Here’s the link https://vsbattles.com/threads/wilson-should-scale-low-2-c-upgrade-crt.161938/
Therefore I think low 2-C to 2-C Wilson can stay. I am working on a new profile page from scratch which is a lot more organized than the correct unaccepted one currently the profile page itself is pretty much finished I just need to finishing the scans and then I’ll make a CRT about for that and hopefully get it accepted.

 

[InkyBattles]

So what revisions here have been accepted by our staff so far, or do we need further staff input?

I’ll try and find any other accepted CRT related to the Bendy verse it’s just that most of them weren’t accepted obviously.

 

[HASE-1929]

I’ll repeat myself again, I am saying that content Revision Thread is talking about what we should do about the unaccepted changes that were added onto the profile pages on VsBattlesWiki are removing them and recreating them, or are we reverting them back to how they were before they were vandalized not about adding upgrades. Therefore, you should make a separate Content Revision Thread if you wanna upgrade the Ink Demon and Ship-Ahoy Wilson to low 2-C. Yes, there are list with links to other Content Revision Thread inside this Content Revision Thread made to upgrade the Bendy verse. However, notice how those people actually created another Content Revision Thread and didn’t discuss those here. So with that being said, if you wanna compare yourself to them you should do the same.

We're supposed to start a discussion based on the CRTs, calcs, and character profiles. One of those CRTs is someone trying to upgrade Bendy to low 2-C. If you're trying to say they should have discussed it on the original CRTs, those posts are nearly 2-3 years old.
Also what do you mean "compare yourself to them" I didn't compare myself to anyone.
Also why would I make another crt? That would make it way more complicated.

banish the remains of his physical body inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach with Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel which further supports that the remains of his vessel inside Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s stomach and Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s vessel being separate vessels.

The example you used was Audrey banishing Ink, which is in no way comparable to Audrey banishing Shipahoy Dudley's soul. Also, it doesn't make sense for it to be soulless, as it literally reacts to pain and screams out when hit and banished it's not just some lifeless body part.

 

[HASE-1929]

So what revisions here have been accepted by our staff so far, or do we need further staff input?

Maybe more staff input.

 

[InkyBattles]

We're supposed to start a discussion based on the CRTs, calcs, and character profiles. One of those CRTs is someone trying to upgrade Bendy to low 2-C. If you're trying to say they should have discussed it on the original CRTs, those posts are nearly 2-3 years old.
Also what do you mean "compare yourself to them" I didn't compare myself to anyone.
Also why would I make another crt? That would make it way more complicated.

We’re supposed to start a discussion based on the calculations that were added without being accepted and make sure the other CRT (what again were made with their own CRT and not someone’s CRT) should be deleted, nowhere does it start we’re starting a discussion based on adding new ungraded for the Bendy verse. And there are also other CRT that are 2-3 but do you see those other 2-3 years old Bendy CRT discussing their changes on other 2-3 years old CRTs? The correct answer is no.

The example you used was Audrey banishing Ink, which is in no way comparable to Audrey banishing Shipahoy Dudley's soul. Also, it doesn't make sense for it to be soulless, as it literally reacts to pain and screams out when hit and banished it's not just some lifeless body part.

It definitely is. Wilson’s body was a lifeless vessel made out of the same ink that Audrey banished in order to free portal all ink monsters bodies are (they’re called ink monsters for a reason) and there are plenty of soulless characters who react to pain in fiction, look at Flowey or the Ink Demon when being exposed to the Signal Towers this isn’t the first time we have seen a lifeless vessel react in pain what makes Wilson any different? It also wouldn’t make sense for Wilson’s body to be possessed by Wilson because following your logic Wilson is possessing his own vessel and Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s which Wilson himself states that his machine was created to swap a soul from their own to Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s he never states that they possess both at the same time. And again, my whole point about their vessels being separate because banish only banishes Wilson’s remains and not Ship-Ahoy Dudley despite being shown to banish the entirety of an ink monsters body still stands.

 

[InkyBattles]

We're supposed to start a discussion based on the CRTs, calcs, and character profiles. One of those CRTs is someone trying to upgrade Bendy to low 2-C. If you're trying to say they should have discussed it on the original CRTs, those posts are nearly 2-3 years old.
Also what do you mean "compare yourself to them" I didn't compare myself to anyone.
Also why would I make another crt? That would make it way more complicated.

And where is there a link trying to upgrade Bendy to low 2-C because there most certainly one trying to upgrade Ship-Ahoy to low 2-C.

 

[HASE-1929]

We’re supposed to start a discussion based on the calculations that were added without being accepted and make sure the other CRT (what again were made with their own CRT and not someone’s CRT) should be deleted, nowhere does it start we’re starting a discussion based on adding new ungraded for the Bendy verse. And there are also other CRT that are 2-3 but do you see those other 2-3 years old Bendy CRT discussing their changes on other 2-3 years old CRTs? The correct answer is no.

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What are you talking about.
The calcs aren't the only problems.

It definitely is. Wilson’s body was a lifeless vessel made out of the same ink that Audrey banished in order to free portal all ink monsters bodies are (they’re called ink monsters for a reason) and there are plenty of soulless characters who react to pain in fiction, look at Flowey or the Ink Demon when being exposed to the Signal Towers this isn’t the first time we have seen a lifeless vessel react in pain what makes Wilson any different? It also wouldn’t make sense for Wilson’s body to be possessed by Wilson because following your logic Wilson is possessing his own vessel and Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s which Wilson himself states that his machine was created to swap a soul from their own to Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s he never states that they possess both at the same time. And again, my whole point about their vessels being separate because banish only banishes Wilson’s remains and not Ship-Ahoy Dudley despite being shown to banish the entirety of an ink monsters body still stands.

wdym it wouldn't make sense for Wilson to be possessing his own body?
Shipahoy Dudley and the part hanging out of him aren't separate entities at all.

 

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And where is there a link trying to upgrade Bendy to low 2-C because there most certainly one trying to upgrade Ship-Ahoy to low 2-C.

Its on the crt list it's the one that says "low 2-C upgrade"

 

[InkyBattles]

What are you talking about.
The calcs aren't the only problems.

wdym it wouldn't make sense for Wilson to be possessing his own body?
Shipahoy Dudley and the part hanging out of him aren't separate entities at all.

They definitely are, if they were banish would affect them both and banish them together as an entire body just like it banishes the Lost Ones and Searchers body as a whole . However, it banish’s Wilson’s body and not Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s when Audrey banish’s Wilson’s body.

 

[InkyBattles]

Its on the crt list it's the one that says "low 2-C upgrade"

My apologies, then Bendy is fine. But still Ship-Ahoy isn’t a part of that.

 

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They definitely are, if they were banish would affect them both and banish them together as an entire body just like it banishes the Lost Ones and Searchers body as a whole . However, it banish’s Wilson’s body and not Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s.

Why are we comparing Shipahoy Dudley to random characters in the cycle? He is obviously very different from them. He’s literally pumped full of the colors we see used for the signal towers and many other things, so he’s not comparable to those guys.

Also, if Banish can affect everything, then why didn't Cartoon Bendy die from it?

 

[InkyBattles]

Why are we comparing Shipahoy Dudley to random characters in the cycle? He is obviously very different from them. He’s literally pumped full of the colors we see used for the signal towers and many other things, so he’s not comparable to those guys.

Also, if Banish can affect everything, then why didn't Cartoon Bendy die from it?

A lot of ink monsters are different in their own ways that isn’t really a valid debunk to my argument. And there’s no prove that him being made out of colors and having control over the signal towers means that Wilson’s body and Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s body are the same thing. The signal towers only nullify powers and the rainbow ink is just a different color of ink. Much like the yellow ink that the Lost Ones has is a different color of ink.

Because Banish didn’t hit him. The game says that Banish was the reason why the Ink Demon was freed however, if you look closely Audrey didn’t hit Bendy with banish Bendy yanks his hand away from almost being hit with banish and runs off ahead. And Allison Angel even warms us about the Ink Demon before this happens. With the Lost Ones talking about how Wilson said that the Ink Demon was dead but that they saw him and didn’t believe him which is also stated before Bendy is almost hit with banish.

 

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Because Banish didn’t hit him. The game says that Banish was the reason why the Ink Demon was freed however, if you look closely Audrey didn’t hit Bendy with banish Bendy yanks his hand away from almost being hit with banish and runs off ahead. And Allison Angel even warms us about the Ink Demon before this happens.

No it hits him,slow down the scene the only reason he yanked his hand back is because he was shocked he even holds his arm in obvious pain.

A lot of ink monsters are different in their own ways that isn’t really a valid debunk to my argument. And there’s no prove that him being made out of colors and having control over the signal towers means that Wilson’s body and Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s body are the same thing. The signal towers only nullify powers and the rainbow ink is just a different color of ink. Much like the yellow ink that the Lost Ones has is a different color of ink.

That's not my reasoning for them being the same. I'm saying Shipahoy Dudley is obviously completely different from every creature in the cycle (with the exception of the Ink Demon, as he's considered different from everything as well).

My reasoning for them being the same is that it's in the design; they aren’t separate, they are the same. Shipahoy Dudley's body literally shakes in pain when you hit Wilson's head.
Wilsons body (or what's remaining) is Literally inside of his organs they are one and the same

 

[InkyBattles]

No it hits him,slow down the scene the only reason he yanked his hand back is because he was shocked he even holds his arm in obvious pain.

He looks direction at Audrey’s hand and yanks his hand away before banish produces electricity. It dosnt zap him until after Bendy yanks his hand away

That's not my reasoning for them being the same. I'm saying Shipahoy Dudley is obviously completely different from every creature in the cycle (with the exception of the Ink Demon, as he's considered different from everything as well).

My reasoning for them being the same is that it's in the design; they aren’t separate, they are the same. Shipahoy Dudley's body literally shakes in pain when you hit Wilson's head.
Wilsons body (or what's remaining) is Literally inside of his organs they are one and the same

He’s likely shaking shaking because of the amount of force Audrey’s gent pipe deals. When Audrey hits Wilson, Ship-Ahoy Dudley dosnt react in pain like Wilson does, nor does he get banished when Wilson does.

Lost Ones and Searchers are different from each other. Keepers ain’t like Lost Ones or Searchers. Joey Drew and Slicer are probably the most different out of all ink monsters due to their nonexistent state. The bloody ink monsters in the Cage are pretty different. Again, many ink monsters are pretty different from each other.

 

[HASE-1929]

Lost Ones and Searchers are different from each other.

Searchers are lost ones without legs and are slightly physically weaker.

Joey Drew and Slicer are probably the most different out of all ink monsters due to their nonexistent state.

Joey literally gets his bones shattered by bendy I wouldn't say he's "non-existent"

The bloody ink monsters in the Cage are pretty different

Those are 100% just lost ones who got taken by Wilson and were tested on.
Lost ones are still to some degree human which explains the bones and blood.

He looks direction at Audrey’s hand and yanks his hand away before banish produces electricity. It dosnt zap him until after Bendy yanks his hand away

He gets shocked by it and instantly moves his hand away the archives also confirm this is what got the ink demon out again

He's likely shaking shaking because of the amount of force Audrey’s gent pipe deals.

The force that doesn't even make him budge when hit anywhere else?

 

[InkyBattles]

Searchers are lost ones without legs and are slightly physically weaker.

Lost Ones also have yellow eyes which makes the difference.

Joey literally gets his bones shattered by bendy I wouldn't say he's "non-existent"

Because Bendy has non-physical interaction.

Those are 100% just lost ones who got taken by Wilson and were tested on.

There are bloody and gory monster with a mouth revealing teeth and a single eyeball, and a big brute monster with armor and red and yellow holes of a very hot substance which is probably fire or lava due to the amount of smoke and steam coming out of it. How are these Lost Ones? Yea there are Lost ones however these two characters clearly are not.

He gets shocked by it and instantly moves his hand away the archives also confirm this is what got the ink demon out again

I already mentioned that the archive but I don’t see it ever hitting him in the actual game itself he yanks his hand away before it banishes him.

The force that doesn't even make him budge when hit anywhere else?

Correct.

 

[HASE-1929]

Lost Ones also have yellow eyes which makes the difference.

Not even a major difference

Because Bendy has non-physical interaction.

For souls and minds which fits what Joey is in dark revival.
He's not non-existent

Lost Ones also have yellow eyes which makes the difference.


Because Bendy has non-physical interaction.


There are bloody and gory monster with a mouth revealing teeth and a single eyeball, and a big brute monster with armor and red and yellow holes of a very hot substance which is probably fire or lava due to the amount of smoke and steam coming out of it.

We have no idea what those things are and the game isn't even out yet we should only really focus on what has actually released.

I already mentioned that the archive but I don’t see it ever hitting him in the actual game itself he yanks his hand away before it banishes him.

The scene literally shows him getting shocked.

Also, Audrey apologized for hurting him. If she didn't inflict any harm on him, why is she apologizing for it?

Edit: on the shipahoy Dudley point. Him getting hurt by the Wilson head getting hurt proves they are one and the same he's no reeling back because of the "force" Audrey put on him it's because she's hitting a weak spot on his body that's obviously connected to him.
(I mean Wilson literally being pushed into the machine that was meant to fuse people with it should have been enough to show they are literally one and the same)

 

[InkyBattles]

Not even a major difference

Exactly, it isn’t a major much like Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s different colors of ink isn’t a major difference you basically proved my whole point.

For souls and minds which fits what Joey is in dark revival.
He's not non-existent

He’s states that he is a memory. A memory and a soul are two different things. And Memories are non-existent which is why he’s able to phase through physical objects such as doors in the first place.

We have no idea what those things are and the game isn't even out yet we should only really focus on what has actually released.

To have a fully blown understanding I would agree. However, we don’t need to wait till the game comes out in order to know that them being made out of blood and gore and hot substances makes them different from all of the other ink creatures we have seen in BATDR and BATIM that aren’t. Especially considering that the Meatly stated the Cage would be bloody and gory.

The scene literally shows him getting shocked.

Also, Audrey apologized for hurting him. If she didn't inflict any harm on him, why is she apologizing for it?

I want to believe but I don’t see him getting touch my her banish. And Audrey is apologizing because regardless of if you almost hurt someone or latterly hurt someone it is always respectful to apologize on your behalf. There were many times where I almost ran into someone or almost hurt someone and apologized.

Edit: on the shipahoy Dudley point. Him getting hurt by the Wilson head getting hurt proves they are one and the same he's no reeling back because of the "force" Audrey put on him it's because she's hitting a weak spot on his body that's obviously connected to him.

Ship-Ahoy Dudley doesn’t get hurt. We’ve seen him scream in pain when the Ink Demon harmed him which he didn’t do when Audrey was hitting Wilson. If it harmed him than Ship-Ahoy Wilson would’ve screamed in pain when WIlson scream in pain from being hit and would have died when Wilson died.

He was only shakes due to the amount of force that Audrey’s attack did and because he was bending backwards making him less balanced and easier to shake versus when Audrey hit him when he was standing normally and more balanced in the game itself. Ship-Ahoy Wilson himself is one of those few enemy types like Bendy, The Giant Hand and the Keepers who aren’t affected by Audrey’s attacks.

(I mean Wilson literally being pushed into the machine that was meant to fuse people with it should have been enough to show they are literally one and the same)

Wilson states that the machine swaps the “soul” of one person into Ship-Ahoy Dudley in order to control it. However, becoming a mindless soulless being like the Ink Demon. He dosnt state that it merges their vessel together.