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The Multiverse and its Destiny...ARE MINE TO CONTROL! (Odin vs Xehanort)
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Bobsican
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Xehanort resists time stop already, also reminder that it's one of the things he leads with.
I could also go over the Keyblade innately having type 1 concept manip and type 2 information manip erasure, but that just seems overkill already, I'm not sure how this isn't a stomp.
I could also go over the Keyblade innately having type 1 concept manip and type 2 information manip erasure, but that just seems overkill already, I'm not sure how this isn't a stomp.
Bobsican
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What about death manip? This seems relevant as Odin's mobility options seem lacking.
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Valid wincon, but does he go for it first thing?
Pepsimanslover
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That's his melee range. Which be combo with IM2/CM1 magic.
Pepsimanslover
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Anyway, Odin doesn't have layers to his name. He resists baseline IM2/CM1, his range is pretty insane and with any physical attack he throws would have IM2/CM1 attached to it.
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Bobsican
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Oh, reminder that Xehanort can place an invisible barrier at will, can Odin physically circumvent it or something? Also, it doesn't seem like Odin resists tier 11 BFR (applied automatically when a body is killed and the heart isn't destroyed, as noted in the Keyblade page), so I guess that also simplifies the matchup a bit, the elephant in the room is Odin's aerial mobility being lacking against someone that floats all the time, how effective are his ranged options?
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With no speed equalization wouldn’t Odin’s Immesurable speed blitz Xehanort’s infinite speed?
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Odin should be able to shitblitz him and deal with him handily before Xehanort uses any of his stuff
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In his boss fight Odin can fly with Bifrost
And Odin is mostly a ranged fighter
Ice beams
Weird bifrost projectiles
Bifrost shockwaves and explosions
Throwing slices of light at you
Using crows to blind and bind you
Flamethrowers
Poison puddles
Etc
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TheKingStrategist13
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Unless we equalize speed this match is probably gonna be invalid
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Speed equalized, now we ball.
I don’t see Odin being able to neg Xehanort’s death manip in a prolonged battle. There’s also his 13 vessals
Which he starts combat with while he himself is away. Xehanort also frequently uses teleportation to close in distance or space out attacks.
I don’t see Odin being able to neg Xehanort’s death manip in a prolonged battle. There’s also his 13 vessals
Which he starts combat with while he himself is away. Xehanort also frequently uses teleportation to close in distance or space out attacks.
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Yeah it's equalized now.
Also, it's weird that Xehanort never used this Death Manip during his boss fight in KH3.
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Sora broke out of doom in the same game. Why would he?
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Fair enough
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Does Xehanort even have a way around the probability nuking here? Any of Odin's attacks would nuke the aspect of his existence that is luck based, making the chances of his powers working not go in his favor. This fight being Prolonged would only benefit Odin more than it does Xehanort given what GoW magic can do.
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To what extent does it affect your luck?
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Reading his page, it seems like luck is more so an aspect of existence rather than luck itself influencing it actively. As if souls are in part made of luck.
Considering souls in GoW don’t function the same way souls or hearts do in KH would this really matter? KH characters also resist soul manipulation by default so how does this apply?
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@Hypertornado099 The soul in GoW literally comprises of your luck and Magic and Souls are tied together in GoW, so that being destroyed means her luck is just nonexistent so anything she tries to do will just fall on its face.
@ThatBoiRick Resisting soul manipulation doesn't mean you resist specific aspects of it that other franchises go into, that's a complete NLF and you need to prove Xehanort can even resist that part of his existence being attacked.
@ThatBoiRick Resisting soul manipulation doesn't mean you resist specific aspects of it that other franchises go into, that's a complete NLF and you need to prove Xehanort can even resist that part of his existence being attacked.
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Because the souls aren't the same across franchises what? The basic premise here is to prove he resists Probability Manipulation. If you cannot then he does not.
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That would mean Odin needs to destroy Xehanort's soul in order to make his luck nonexistent. Can Odin destroy souls?
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You mean the thing Magic in GoW is capable of doing? Yes he can destroy Souls.
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Scan?
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.....The literal magic page?
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So consider KH characters resist soul manipulation and having their luck destroyed only works if the soul is….why wouldn’t xehanort just casts doom the moment he realizes Odin could use healing spells?
TheKingStrategist13
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Even if the Probability/Luck manip was used here, it wouldn't be some insane Wincon for Odin. If he destroyed luck as a whole, that would also mean destroying bad luck, right? That implies a neutral position regarding luck, rather than a enforced permanent position of misfortune. At best, Xehanort would have no room for some unlikely thing to occur in his favor, but he also wouldn't have a chance for a unlikely thing to occur against him either.
Even if we took it to a more generous extreme and said that it somehow only imposed bad luck unto Xehanort, that likely wouldn't suddenly make anything Xehanort does ineffective. Even if it magically gave Xehanort Stormtrooper aim, while Making Odin some kind of uncounterable menace who always strikes Xehanort, Xehanort can always just, use his abilities. They aren't chance based, there is 0 luck to any of his abilities as far as we are aware of, so we cannot assume they would simply backfire or otherwise fail. He can just teleport away from Odin, and use any of his many, many hax to try and see what Odin is affected by. Death Manip would eventually come up if Xehanort realizes nothing else is working.
Honestly though, some further insight into the minute specifics of how GoW's "Probability Nuking" actually works, too. Do you actually see a instance of someone having their probability/luck destroyed, and as a result everything and anything they do fails, and only misfortune falls upon them?
Even if we took it to a more generous extreme and said that it somehow only imposed bad luck unto Xehanort, that likely wouldn't suddenly make anything Xehanort does ineffective. Even if it magically gave Xehanort Stormtrooper aim, while Making Odin some kind of uncounterable menace who always strikes Xehanort, Xehanort can always just, use his abilities. They aren't chance based, there is 0 luck to any of his abilities as far as we are aware of, so we cannot assume they would simply backfire or otherwise fail. He can just teleport away from Odin, and use any of his many, many hax to try and see what Odin is affected by. Death Manip would eventually come up if Xehanort realizes nothing else is working.
Honestly though, some further insight into the minute specifics of how GoW's "Probability Nuking" actually works, too. Do you actually see a instance of someone having their probability/luck destroyed, and as a result everything and anything they do fails, and only misfortune falls upon them?
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I looked through the magic page and read all 96 mentions of the word "soul". It proves that all magic has soul manipulation, but it doesn't say anywhere that all magic destroys the soul
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You read legionnaires mangling souls and came away with that? Alright then.
Anyways, I really dunno how this luck discussion spun off into borderline fate manipulation. Xenahort having worse luck just means that Odin has more chances to land something like his paralysis spell on Xenahort before the latter can use his death abiltities. It does not mean that Xenahort just keels over out of sheer luck.
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@ThatBoiRick I'm still waiting for the scans on resistance to Probability Manipulation btw, because you're pulling a NLF to assume a KH character can resist an ability they have no counter to.
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He's not saying that Xehanort resists probability anymore, just that he resists soul manipulation. The problem is, soul manipulation on Xehanort's profile is outdated
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When…did I say he did??
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@ThatBoiRick You're arguing because Xehanort resists soul hax, he resists aspects of his existence being attacked like his luck, which is a NLF since there's nothing in the page that mentions a resistance to Probability Manipulation.
@Hypertornado099 So Xehanort doesn't resist probability manipulation right now if that's outdated, simple as that.
@Hypertornado099 So Xehanort doesn't resist probability manipulation right now if that's outdated, simple as that.
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