Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

[Hellformer]

Istg I did not understand anything of this.

You should make it more comprehensive instead of throwing a longass equation lol.

The same method was applied in the previous threads as well. But summing it up:

• An osmosian's absorbtion ability intakes 1/10th of the strength of the opponent.
• Ultimate Kevin absorbed the unlocked playlist of the Ultimatrix, Ult Greg and Alan, and was shown to be nearly on par with Ult Humungousaur.
• The rest is just math with equalizing AP and determining Waybig's AP who's far above Ultimates combined.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Kevin absorbed the unlocked playlist of the Ultimatrix, Ult Greg and Alan,

He also absorbed Dr Viktor and the other Plumber Kids

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Wait no tier 4 humangasour?!?

 

[Hellformer]

Wait no tier 4 humangasour?!?

4-B

 

[Hellformer]

The grace period is over but we better wait

 

[Reiner04]

• Kevin's Absorption was stated to have 1/10th of the strength of whatever aliens he absorbed and later even by Aggregor. Ultimate Kevin had all the unlocked aliens in the Ultimatrix absorbed and was shown nearly on par with Ultimate Humungousaur.
• Assigning the attack potency of all base aliens as variable X (X=9.4578 TeraFoe), along with taking in account his own strength, 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's strength and 1/10th of 22 unlocked aliens that account for relevant AP in the Ultimatrix and 5 Ultimate aliens along with Alan. (excluding waybig and taking his strength as seperate due to large gap). Here's how we can figure out the unknown data: X+1/10×(6X+22X+X+20X+4X+W)=10X, W=37X=349.9387 TeraFoe (4-A) where W=Waybig's A

where did u get 20* and 4* from? also does 22 amounts to all non active aliens in ultimatetrix?

 

[Hellformer]

where did u get 20* and 4* from?

20X comes from (10X+10X) Ult hum and Ult EE.
4X comes from rest of the unlocked ultimates because they don't have a 10X multiplier

also does 22 amounts to all non active aliens in ultimatetrix?

Unlocked aliens

 

[Hellformer]

1. Humungousaur
2. Bigchill
3. Goop
4. Chromastone
5. Spidermonkey
6. Swampfire
7. Brainstorm
8. Echo echo
9. Jetray
10. Canonbolt
11. Diamondhead
12. Waybig (Counting seperately)
13. Upchuck
14. Fourarms
15. Ripjaws
16. Nanomech (Non relevant AP)
17. Ghostfreak
18. Waterhazard
19. NRG
20. Ampfibian
21. Armodrillo
22. Terraspin
23. Lodestar
24. Rath

Total unlocked aliens upto the episode "Absolute Power part 2"
24-1(Nanomech)-1(Waybig)=22

 

[Reiner04]

Ult EE.

his physical strength is still same as regulars except the voice.

Unlocked aliens

there were atleast 46 named aliens within ultimatetrix considering rough work of deleting some obtained maybe later in the series and alien X would be 42X.

X+1/10×(6X+42X+X+10X+5X+W)=10X
W/10=9X-6.4X=2.6X
W=26X

 

[Hellformer]

his physical strength is still same as regulars except the voice.

He could tank a hit from Ultimate Kevin.

there were atleast 46 named aliens within ultimatetrix considering rough work of deleting some obtained maybe later in the series and alien X would be 42X.

X+1/10×(6X+42X+X+10X+5X+W)=10X
W/10=9X-6.4X=2.6X
W=26X

I've counted aliens only upto the episode "Absolute Power part 2" because other ones were unlocked later on or by Ultimate Ben 10K

 

[Hellformer]

X+1/10×(6X+42X+X+10X+5X+W)=10X
W/10=9X-6.4X=2.6X
W=26X

These Ultimates include:
Ultimate Swampfire
Ultimate Bigchill
Ultimate Spidermonkey
Ultimate canonbolt

So change it to 4X

 

[KaramcaS]

Why staff only replies to downgrades and not upgrades ?
Like staff gave no opinion about op (reason that this CRT is made) but replied to downgrade suggestion.
This also happens when someone makes a downgrade thread (it gets many staff votes in no time) but upgrade threads get no attention and take a lot of time

womp womp, Why do so many noname people agreed every upgrade without reading it? Let's talk about this too, shall we ?

 

[Reiner04]

He could tank a hit from Ultimate Kevin

So alot of other aliens and characters did. considering how tanking a hit is normalized several times we only consider a scaling that makes sense with narrative. kevin accepted UA hum equals to him thats why he scales to UA hum.

 

[Hellformer]

So alot of other aliens and characters did. considering how tanking a hit is normalized several times we only consider a scaling that makes sense with narrative. kevin accepted UA hum equals to him thats why he scales to UA hum.

Then you can redo the calc based on that interpretation

 

[Reiner04]

X+1/10×(6X+42X+X+10X+5X+W)=10X
W/10=9X-6.4X=2.6X
W=26X

since we are assuming 22;

W/10=9X-4.4X=4.6X
W=46X

 

[Lort15]

womp womp, Why do so many noname people agreed every upgrade without reading it? Let's talk about this too, shall we ?

Calling others no name with an account that has 8 msg is lowkey crazy

 

[Reiner04]

Waybig being this powerful is supported by the narrative considering he humbled the Giant vilgax powered by codon stream and All ultimates at once.

 

[Reiner04]

Classic Aliens are 1/100 of Ultimates = 157.916666667 GigaFoe.

Based on current scaling chain on the page, Each of Andromeda Aliens will scale to 1/6th agregor's durability and power. Considering each of Andromeda aliens has dura equivalent to their AP, Each Andromeda Aliens will have 1.579167 TeraFoe AP, regular aliens of AF and UAF scales to the Andromedas per page's scaling chain.

Ultimate Humungousaur, and UA Kevin, are 10 times that of regulars AF, making them 15.79167 TeraFoe in AP.

Omniverse transformed Kevin is 17*classic aliens 2.68458333333 TeraFoe in AP and 19*classic Aliens 3.00041666667 TeraFoe in durability.

Let X being power of regulars then, X+1/10×(6X+42X+1X+10X+5X+W)=10X= Kevin where 6X is power of Aggregor, 22X is all active transformations of that time except AX and WB and Ultimates, 5X is 5 Ultimates, 1X is Humungousaur, W is waybig. We divided all of them with 10 since 1/10 powers. 1 separate X outside is for Kevin's own scale.

Now evaluating this all we get;
W/10=9X-4.4X=4.6X
Waybig = W = 46X = 72.641682 TeraFoe

I am skeptical that this is the case.

I would like the opinion of other staff on the matter.

What u think of scaling chain above?

 

[Greenshifter]

Humungousaur didn't nullify the reality destruction

Sure thing bud

 

[Greenshifter]

1. Humungousaur
2. Bigchill
3. Goop
4. Chromastone
5. Spidermonkey
6. Swampfire
7. Brainstorm
8. Echo echo
9. Jetray
10. Canonbolt
11. Diamondhead
12. Waybig (Counting seperately)
13. Upchuck
14. Fourarms
15. Ripjaws
16. Nanomech (Non relevant AP)
17. Ghostfreak
18. Waterhazard
19. NRG
20. Ampfibian
21. Armodrillo
22. Terraspin
23. Lodestar
24. Rath

Total unlocked aliens upto the episode "Absolute Power part 2"
24-1(Nanomech)-1(Waybig)=22

There's a scan that Ben has the OG 10 unlocked at the beginning of UA in my server, you should look for it.

 

[Greenshifter]

He could tank a hit from Ultimate Kevin.

Reiner probably doesn't have a point with the voice argument, but the hit he tanked is after he slowed it down with his sound shield.

 

[GeneralSol16]

There's a scan that Ben has the OG 10 unlocked at the beginning of UA in my server, you should look for it.

That was just a promo, he had access to them until Ben 10K Returns.

 

[Reiner04]

Reiner probably doesn't have a point with the voice argument, but the hit he tanked is after he slowed it down with his sound shield.

Shush bishh

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I know the thread is about finished but cant we also add the petrolipa destruction? It’s been a min since I’ve seen that ep but I’m pretty sure there’s some scaling there

 

[Shadowslaya!]

I know the thread is about finished but cant we also add the petrolipa destruction? It’s been a min since I’ve seen that ep but I’m pretty sure there’s some scaling there

Genuinely, how do you even calc this feat.

Is there a stated size for it?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Genuinely, how do you even calc this feat.

Is there a stated size for it?

looks like it’s already been calced and accepted

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...10_(Alien_Force):_Planet_Petropia_Destruction

 

[GeneralSol16]

Genuinely, how do you even calc this feat.

Is there a stated size for it?

It was stated to be way lather than Earth, we could get High 5-A - Low 4-C levels of energy, not that relevant ngl.

 

[Lort15]

Reiner probably doesn't have a point with the voice argument, but the hit he tanked is after he slowed it down with his sound shield.

CRT was so goated that ressurected Green and Reiner from grave

 

[Hellformer]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the thread is appreciated.

Can we start applying the changes?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Can we start applying the changes?

I would say wait until the rest of the members come

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the thread is appreciated.

From that post, I guess scaling his durability to the explosion is fine. I gotta checkout the OP to see about the Humongasor scaling.

 

[Reiner04]

Can we start applying the changes?

U only got approval on Aggregor dura scaling. You still need approval for scaling chain Basing Aggregor specifically.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

U only got approval on Aggregor dura scaling. You still need approval for scaling chain Basing Aggregor specifically.

I specifically was commenting on that post Firestorm tagged me under. I know there is more to the thread.

 

[Greenshifter]

I'm not sure if it even was and also even if it were, I still consider it valid.

That was just a promo, he had access to them until Ben 10K Returns.

I know the thread is about finished but cant we also add the petrolipa destruction? It’s been a min since I’ve seen that ep but I’m pretty sure there’s some scaling there

It doesn't scale to anything, the crystal used to perform this feat literally has infinite energy.

looks like it’s already been calced and accepted

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...10_(Alien_Force):_Planet_Petropia_Destruction

There is literally a comment by DD saying the calc got rejected.

 

[Greenshifter]

Original Series and Omniverse Flashback Characters would scale to 157.916666667 GigaFoe, since they are 1/10th of their UAF counterparts

UAF Characters would scale to 1.5763 GigaFoe, since they're comparable to the Andromeda aliens, who are a 1/6th of Ultimate Aggregor's AP and Durability, who scales to 9.4578 GigaFoe.

Ultimate Humongousaur and Ultimate Echo Echo would scale to

Nah, we're going for base Humungousaur scaling.

 

[GeneralSol16]

OS and OVf Cast - 157.916666667 GigaFoe (1/10th of their UAF Ver, based on their scaling with Vilgax, who grow 10 tikes stronger since the Original series to Alien Force)

UAF Cast - 1.5763 TeraFoe. (1/6th of Ultimate Aggregor's AP and Dura, based on them scaling from the Andromeda Aliens)

Ultimate Echo Echo, Charged Up Eatle, Sir George and Ultimate Humongousaur - 15.763 TeraFoe (Ultimate Humungousaur was stated to be ten times Base Humongousaur)

• With X being the power of regulars aliens, then X+1/10×(6X+42X+1X+10X+5X+W)=10X= Kevin where 6X is Aggregor's power, 22X is all active transformations of that time except Alien X, Way Big and Ultimates. 5X is 5 Ultimates, 1X is Humungousaur, W is Way Big. We divided all of them with 10 since 1/10 powers. 1 separate X outside is for Kevin's own scale.
• Now evaluating this all we get;

W/10=9X-4.4X=4.6X
Way Big = W = 46X = 72.641682.
Base Way Big - 72.641682 TeraFoe.

Atomix, Dagon and Ultimate Way Big - >72.641682 (All stated to be stronger than Way Big)

Omniverse transformed Kevin is 17*classic aliens - 2.68458333333 TeraFoe in AP and 19*classic Aliens 3.00041666667 TeraFoe in durability.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I specifically was commenting on that post Firestorm tagged me under. I know there is more to the thread.

The passage means that Ben was too late to stop Aggregor's transformation but not too late to stop the explosion.

Looks good

Could you say if you agree with the scaling chain so this can be closed and applied? It has already been accepted in the Verse Page, but we need a confirmation to avoid problems.

OS and OVf Cast - 157.916666667 GigaFoe (1/10th of their UAF Ver)

UAF Cast - 1.5763 TeraFoe. (1/6th of Ultimate Aggregor's AP and Dura)

Ultimate Echo Echo, Charged Up Eatle, Sir George and Ultimate Humongousaur - 15.763 (Scale to ten times Base Humungousaur)

Base Way Big - 72.641682 TeraFoe.

Atomix, Dagon and Ultimate Way Big - >72.641682

It'd this one, or at least the level, their justifications would be the same as stated in the verse Page and this CRT.

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

OS and OVf Cast - 157.916666667 GigaFoe (1/10th of their UAF Ver, based on their scaling with Vilgax, who grow 10 tikes stronger since the Original series to Alien Force)

UAF Cast - 1.5763 TeraFoe. (1/6th of Ultimate Aggregor's AP and Dura, based on them scaling from the Andromeda Aliens)

Ultimate Echo Echo, Charged Up Eatle, Sir George and Ultimate Humongousaur - 15.763 TeraFoe (Ultimate Humungousaur was stated to be ten times Base Humongousaur)

• With X being the power of regulars aliens, then X+1/10×(6X+42X+1X+10X+5X+W)=10X= Kevin where 6X is Aggregor's power, 22X is all active transformations of that time except Alien X, Way Big and Ultimates. 5X is 5 Ultimates, 1X is Humungousaur, W is Way Big. We divided all of them with 10 since 1/10 powers. 1 separate X outside is for Kevin's own scale.
• Now evaluating this all we get;

W/10=9X-4.4X=4.6X
Way Big = W = 46X = 72.641682.
Base Way Big - 72.641682 TeraFoe.

Atomix, Dagon and Ultimate Way Big - >72.641682 (All stated to be stronger than Way Big)

Omniverse transformed Kevin is 17*classic aliens - 2.68458333333 TeraFoe in AP and 19*classic Aliens 3.00041666667 TeraFoe in durability.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808 @LordGriffin1000

It seems like your evaluations are required regarding this.