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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

RedReaper616 said:
CANON MUTAITO.

SIIIICK.
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I think those original episodes that Akira Toriyama created should still be canon to the work, but either way Toyota is making everything canon.

This reminded me of a meme of Akira Toriyama mentioning that he would canonize everything with many swearing ( Brazilian memes )
 
Dust_Collector said:
There's only so many jokes about dragon ball fans not reading the manga we can make bro, he appears in the short flashback of roshi explaining how king piccolo got sealed away, it wasn't an anime only thing all toei did was add more to it.
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We really read, but sometimes details go unnoticed and even more so for me, since i only read the manga once.
 
RinneItachi said:
Btw this is gonna cause so many wild canonicity arguments lmfao.
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Not. Even. Close.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
We really read, but sometimes details go unnoticed and even more so for me, since i only read the manga once.
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Do you not go back and parse through chapters every now and then? Like, for example, The Death of Kuririn?
He is even alluded to by Goku in chapter 20 of the Super manga; though, I can excuse you forgetting that. I find Toyotaro's "Future" Trunks Saga forgettable, too.
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I'm not going to lie: I always found it weird that the manga decided to make Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose separate forms since, the way I see it, Super Saiyan Blue wouldn't exist for Goku Black since he's a god and naturally has God Ki instead of having both regular and God Ki.

So every time he transforms into Super Saiyan, it'd just innately be Super Saiyan Rose instead of a regular Super Saiyan because of that natural God Ki being there 24/7.
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Goku and Vegeta have God Ki 24/7; all God Ki is, at the fundamental level, is a Ki so refined and controlled that, even when increased, its power is kept contained within the body, preventing energy detection and generating an overwhelming outwardly pressure. Goku and Vegeta do not actively manifest God Ki 24/7, because they can be detected by mortals; but evidently, neither does Goku Black because Trunks sense Black.

Super Saiyan Blue requires the power of Super Saiyan God, not merely God Ki.
Super Saiyan Blue is, literally, a combination of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God; Goku explained as such.

Anyway, I was doing research for a Twitter thread, and I realized Granolah and Gas just acquired different abilities from warriors across the universe as part of their "greatest in the universe" clause; their being the "greatest" and their reportedly gaining techniques from the likes of Goku, Vegeta, and Moro are directly connected. In fact, Goku directly asserts Granolah may have possession of (presumably) all of their abilities.

Should they just get everything?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Not. Even. Close.

Do you not go back and parse through chapters every now and then? Like, for example, The Death of Kuririn?
He is even alluded to by Goku in chapter 20 of the Super manga; though, I can excuse you forgetting that. I find Toyotaro's "Future" Trunks Saga forgettable, too.

Goku and Vegeta have God Ki 24/7; all God Ki is, at the fundamental level, is a Ki so refined and controlled that, even when increased, its power is kept contained within the body, preventing energy detection and generating an overwhelming outwardly pressure. Goku and Vegeta do not actively manifest God Ki 24/7, because they can be detected by mortals; but evidently, neither does Goku Black because Trunks sense Black.

Super Saiyan Blue requires the power of Super Saiyan God, not merely God Ki.
Super Saiyan Blue is, literally, a combination of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God; Goku explained as such.

Anyway, I was doing research for a Twitter thread, and I realized Granolah and Gas just acquired different abilities from warriors across the universe as part of their "greatest in the universe" clause; their being the "greatest" and their reportedly gaining techniques from the likes of Goku, Vegeta, and Moro are directly connected. In fact, Goku directly asserts Granolah may have possession of (presumably) all of their abilities.

Should they just get everything?
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God ki is just ki that's condensed in the body, causing a construction affect to make a more powerful version of ki known as God Ki

Saiyans just naturally transform into Super Saiyan God when using God Ki
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Should they just get everything?
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We don't know for certain just how many new abilities they've gained; Goku's question isn't conclusively answered. Better to wait until we see Granolah in action again before adding more abilities to him.
 
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Wait so hypothetically if Toyotaro says in an interview maybe months later from now that the other world tournament that we saw in the anime happened in the manga, and to go watch the anime to see how that went for those that haven't watched the anime. How would we interpret this hmmm? 🤔
 
Spinoirr said:
Saiyans just naturally transform into Super Saiyan God when using God Ki
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No. Wrong.

A Super Saiyan God is a Saiyan god; as per chapter 4's narration, as per Piccolo, as per Jan. 23's Interval Special, as per Chōzenshū 4.
As gods, users, naturally, exhibit a god's presence and "aura"—likely, their unique physical attributes.
As gods, users, naturally, develop a god's uniquely "pure, highly refined" Ki.
As gods, users, naturally, can achieve levels of Battle Power lying within the realm of the gods.

Being a Super Saiyan God grants God Ki; having God Ki requires a godly nature. The two events are interdependent. Being a god is indicative of possessing God Ki, and possessing God Ki is indicative of being a god. A mortal cannot and could never possess God Ki. An individual cannot simultaneously be a mortal and a god.

However, a Saiyan god, an Angel, a God of Destruction, the King of Everything, the planetary Guardians, Akira Toriyama, the Lord of Worlds, and the Lord of Lords are different types of gods. Every god is of a unique role, of a unique status, and of unique qualities; for example,
  • Only the Gods of Destruction wield the Power of Destruction (anime-only),
  • The Lords of Lords wield the "Power of Creation", creating life, planets, and stars within the universe,
  • As the King of Everything, Zen-Oh can erase everything,
  • The Angels, in a perfect state of mastery of self-movement, are naturally gifted martial artists of the highest possible order,
  • The Guardians govern and protect the lifeforms of their respective planets,
  • King Yemma, one of the gods of the afterlife, governs the judgment of the souls of the deceased,
  • The Lords of Worlds, like the Guardians, govern and protect the four Areas,
    • The Great Lord of Worlds, superseding the Lord of Worlds, governs the entire Universe,
  • Akira Toriyama is the "ultimate ruler of the Dragon Ball World",
  • etc.
Now, why does Goku Black use Super Saiyan Rosé instead of Blue? A Super Saiyan God is a Saiyan god, after all.
"The Super Saiyan Rosé transformation Goku Black undergoes is a unique state exclusive to Zamasu, who was previously a Kai."
 
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Huesito88 said:
Wait so hypothetically if Toyotaro says in an interview maybe months later from now that the other world tournament that we saw in the anime happened in the manga, and to go watch the anime to see how that went for those that haven't watched the anime. How would we interpret this hmmm? 🤔
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I mean it can treated in a lot of ways, like maybe there's just a manga version of the otherworld arc, who knows. Toriyama did work on character designs like Olibu before.

This would be similar to when Toriyama said the Bardock special was canon, before it was retconned in Dragon Ball Minus.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I mean it can treated in a lot of ways, like maybe there's just a manga version of the otherworld arc, who knows. Toriyama did work on character designs like Olibu before.

This would be similar to when Toriyama said the Bardock special was canon, before it was retconned in Dragon Ball Minus.
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yeah but at least Dragon ball minus was better
 
Ednaxel2 said:
iicr this is for the DBS Manga and not the anime but it is an interesting statement nonetheless, Shoki/right-mindedness is after all a key component of ki
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The guide that mentions about Broly from the Broly movie comic, does not have a Broly manga version or Broly manga adaptation (except for that manga page there that talks about Ozaru, the rest was all made for the movie and the movie itself is applied to the manga, so nothing originally just for the manga)
 
Nullflowerblush said:
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I failed to initially address a few issues, admittedly.
Firstly, in the Super anime, Super Saiyan Rosé is portrayed as being Black's Super Saiyan form, rather than any godly form.
As per the November 2016 issue of V Jump, as per Goku, as per Vegeta, and as per Toriyama's design drafts.
In fact, Black only acquired Rosé by "[making] Son Goku’s power completely [his] own"; a power he only internalized after battling Goku's Super Saiyan form.
Why does Rosé differ across the two continuities? I can only surmise because, in the anime, Zamasu is a Lord of Lords, rather than a Lord of Worlds—a higher status.
Secondly, in the Super manga, if Goku Black is, by nature, a god, why can he use Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rosé separately?
Simply put, because Goku Black is, by nature, a Lord of Worlds—not a Saiyan god.
Black only acquires the qualities of a Saiyan god by using Super Saiyan God, which, as per Black himself and the Interval Special, is a Super Saiyan transformation.
Only through the power of Super Saiyan God can SSGSS be achieved. Duh.

And, in chapter 22, Trunks says "Zamas's Rosé form", even though he always addresses Goku Black by name.
 
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