Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I'm not still sure how regen works, but if Eternity can be immortal unless it's heart is destroyed, and it can just heal without blood if so, then it would literally qualify for high regen right?

But eh, I could remove it and wouldn't make a difference too, what do you think?

That’s not how that works you need specific feats to qualify for specific levels of regen. Being able to regenerate from a heart would be High-Mid as it relies on regenerating from small portions of one’s body. The ones above that are usually for complete destruction at specific levels (being turned to paste/a puddle, being turned to ash or vapor, and then High is regenerating from complete atomization). You can’t just tack on High regen unless they’ve been stated to be atomized completely

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

That’s not how that works you need specific feats to qualify for specific levels of regen. Being able to regenerate from a heart would be High-Mid as it relies on regenerating from small portions of one’s body. The ones above that are usually for complete destruction at specific levels (being turned to paste/a puddle, being turned to ash or vapor, and then High is regenerating from complete atomization). You can’t just tack on High regen unless they’ve been stated to be atomized completely

Aight, then I'll remove it then. Also you are in the calculation group? If you want to, maybe you could evaluate this calc for me?

Yoru's Bang KE and speed recalc

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You wrote that it's the War Devil in the 2nd AP section.

Fixed, thanks for spotting that

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Update: I made a profile for the goat cockroach devil, gotta be the easiest profile so far, his feats are straightforward and solid.

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Bouta do leech devil, and realized that we have no calc for that, semi-transformed Denji doesn't have any calc either, I guess it's anime time
Eh, dunno if anyone has done Fox Devil's lifting strength or nah, but I did one (first time doing this, hope I'm doing it right)

Fox Devil lifting strength

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Did fox devil profile, is still using my not yet evaluated lifting strength calc so it's technically still WIP.

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[ElajRuengies]

Update: I made a profile for the goat cockroach devil, gotta be the easiest profile so far, his feats are straightforward and solid.

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Bouta do leech devil, and realized that we have no calc for that, semi-transformed Denji doesn't have any calc either, I guess it's anime time

Just because you can make a profile doesn't mean you should. Bat appears twice, while Leech and Cockroach are only one-offs who die in their debut scene. A bloated Verse Page just makes applying CRTs more annoying.

Eh, dunno if anyone has done Fox Devil's lifting strength or nah, but I did one (first time doing this, hope I'm doing it right)

Fox Devil lifting strength

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Currently accepted version of the calc uses 80% Hollowness rather than 90%.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Just because you can make a profile doesn't mean you should. Bat appears twice, while Leech and Cockroach are only one-offs who die in their debut scene. A bloated Verse Page just makes applying CRTs more annoying.

I get it, so no leech then. But I disagree on the Cockroach one. While no one would care about a Leech Devil, a Cockroach Devil (a devil people thought would solo death itself) would be nice to add. Also Cockroach has it's own solid scaling and scale to itself (like Bucky, who got a profile) except for speed which scales to Denji, so we wouldn't even need to care about it in the fear scaling chain for the most part.

Anyways, look at the list of Devils that could have a profile that I made, what devil in there do you think really need a profile? Based on what you said, the only devils that really need a profile (that I haven't made) are: Typhoon (major devil in Reze arc, also has 2 forms btw, one baby and one old), Curse Devil (appeared twice), Yuko (important character with 3 forms) and finally zombie devil (literally appeared in 3 arcs), Justice is a maybe, since it technically appeared once, and hell is even more of a maybe (appeared twice, but 0 solid physical feats so the fear scaling is gonna be wacky with this one).

Currently accepted version of the calc uses 80% Hollowness rather than 90%.

Fixed

Also, opinion on Eternity Devil profile? Looking good yet? Missing anything?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Guys... As I remember, Bi-Weekly devil is absent next week right?
...
It's back (unless it's a bug on mangaplus side)

 

[ElajRuengies]

Guys... As I remember, Bi-Weekly devil is absent next week right?
...
It's back (unless it's a bug on mangaplus side)

I know

THE BIWEEKLY DEVIL'S BACK-
Seems like next chapter was pushed back a week looking at MangaPlus. Makes sense, considering this 193 was only 13 pages long, which is a new shortest chapter.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

My little finger tell me that the next chapter will be the beginning of the end

 

[GodEarh206]

Well, i think next chapter is so f**king FIRE

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I know

Man, I just kinda shut my brain off reading that comment, didn't think much of it... Bi-weekly devil is teaming up with the reading comprehension devil, the end is nigh.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Guys, while making the fox devil's profile I realized one thing... I don't really know how I should list it's ability to.... uh... Teleport? Summon? Maybe via smoke manip too? Like it only appear with a part of it's body, and usually the body looks kinda weird too, like the first time it appeared, it's neck has invisible parts and stuff, and when disappear it leaves smokes. And also consider the amount of people that has it's contract (at least 2 with the head), if it's only teleportation, then seriously what would it do when 2 people summoning its head at once assuming it only has a single head? Like it's kinda confusing here, so I want some ideas on what abilities fox devil would gain from this one. Bodily weaponry and large size is easy enough, but the rest are just hard to do alone.

Ah, figured that I also need telepathy too

 

[ElajRuengies]

Guys, while making the fox devil's profile I realized one thing... I don't really know how I should list it's ability to.... uh... Teleport? Summon? Maybe via smoke manip too? Like it only appear with a part of it's body, and usually the body looks kinda weird too, like the first time it appeared, it's neck has invisible parts and stuff, and when disappear it leaves smokes. And also consider the amount of people that has it's contract (at least 2 with the head), if it's only teleportation, then seriously what would it do when 2 people summoning its head at once assuming it only has a single head? Like it's kinda confusing here, so I want some ideas on what abilities fox devil would gain from this one. Bodily weaponry and large size is easy enough, but the rest are just hard to do alone.

Ah, figured that I also need telepathy too

Not an ability of Fox, but Devil Contracts in general. Partial summoning is seen in other places like Octopus or Mantis.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Not an ability of Fox, but Devil Contracts in general. Partial summoning is seen in other places like Octopus or Mantis.

Ah... right, why didn't I think of that? Dumb me. Telepathy stays though since only Fox has shown to be able to talk without mouth opening (curse had to do so). So that's that then. Also again, what other character do you think needs a profile? The verse lacks profile for several devils like zombie devil that appeared multiple times, Hell that also appeared twice and is a major devil (though no physical feat, I think a profile would be neat), Yuko I think needs one too, and maybe Curse devil though a maybe.

I'm still on that cockroach agenda btw, he shouldn't be a hassle like you said he would, and would be nice to have a cockroach profile too.

Anyways, aside from that, what do you think about how Eternity and Fox's profile? Are they looking good enough yet?

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Also, I think the Reze movie is gonna upgrade Typhoon up a lot, so I think I will prefer waiting until the movie come out first, so that's that.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Ah... right, why didn't I think of that? Dumb me. Telepathy stays though since only Fox has shown to be able to talk without mouth opening (curse had to do so). So that's that then.

Fox's mouth is open when it talks, it's just that its teeth are closed- and it's totally possible to talk with your teeth closed. Also didn't mention it before, but your Fox Calc assumes that the entire contents of what it destroyed ended up in its mouth, when evidently parts of the building was pushed out in all directions.

Anywho, Fox's real body is in Kyoto (Stated by Himeno during Eternity Arc), so any damage its summoned manifestations take isn't representative of its actual stamina. Also it should be higher with head [scaling to 0.0555 tons of TNT), at least Building level with teeth (0.25 tons of TNT), for its piercing damage, since it decapitated Leech- which should be at least sem-comparable to Bat given their shared dream- and also Aki tried to summon it against Eternity w/ Gunflesh, which could harm initial Hybrid Denji.

Also what do you think about Eternity's profile? Also again, what other character do you think needs a profile? The verse lacks profile for several devils like zombie devil that appeared multiple times, Hell that also appeared twice and is a major devil (though no physical feat, I think a profile would be neat), Yuko I think needs one too, and maybe Curse devil though a maybe.

Eternity w/ scales to baseline Building level (0.25 tons of TNT) given that's what Initial Hybrid Denji now scales to (CRT is underway), and Eternity should just scale to Fox's physicals as a full-on Devil. (0.0555 tons of TNT). Also "pawn" should be capitalized.

I'm still on that cockroach agenda btw, he shouldn't be a hassle like you said he would, and would be nice to have a cockroach profile too.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Can't wait for Cockroach Devil matchups

 

[ElajRuengies]

Seeing Bat's reincarnation being listed as weaker than its old one (it isn't but we haven't fixed that yet) actually got me thinking about Makima and Nayuta.

Before the world went to shit, people would've feared control in Part 2 as much as they did in Part 1, yet Nayuta could only control three people at once, while Makima had like 50 people on her chains at one point. Meaning most of the fear boost Makima got wasn't actually fear of control, but rather fear of Makima as a individual.

(Also, Nayuta not having access to Public Safety's massive amount of resources, plus her not being a psycho, would contribute sheer difference in ability between the two.)

 

[GunshyFever]

My headcannon for this was the fact that Nayuta was just born and developing, while Makima was around for who knows how long.

 

[ElajRuengies]

My headcannon for this was the fact that Nayuta was just born and developing, while Makima was around for who knows how long.

I do wonder how Denji was able to explain to schools how Nayuta went from appearing 6 years old to like, 10 in less than a year.

In other news, doing Aki's Bullet Dodge and recalcing Nail's feat in Ch. 144 in prep for the Speed CRT, since there's nothing else to do AP-wise. The final(?) version of the High/Top Tier scaling if Snake's calc ever gets verified looks like this-

Spoiler: Not Much Changed

High Mid - Hybrid Sandwich Dropkick: 81.53 tons of TNT

• Post-Reze Fight Hybrid Denji (Reasons listed somewhere else)
• Whip Woman's slashing damage (Can destroy Public Safety Uniforms, which withstood being driven through several buildings by Pochita)
• Kobeni w/ Knife (Can pierce through Public Safety Uniforms)
• Kishibe w/ Knives (His knife skills should not be worse than Kobeni's considering he was contracted to the Knife Devil)
• Yoshida w/ piercing damage (If Yoshida's 3rd Rate, Kishibe's 4th Rate)
• Daytime Santa (Bonked Post-Reze Fight Hybrid Denji, got wrecked by Hybrid Quanxi)
• Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (Stated to be empowered, can harm Post-Reze Fight Hybrid Denji)
• Akane w/ Snake normally (Notably scary to the Ghost Devil, one-shot Ghost)
• Zombies under Makima (Managed to slow down Pochita Clone as a mob, harmed Blood Devil Power in a group)
• Blood Devil Power's Physicals (Pochita told her she'd come back as a powerful Devil, shouldn't be weaker than random zombies)

High Tiers - Upscaling: 100 tons of TNT

• Unmasked Violence (Shredded his uniform just by transforming)
• Post-Reze Fight Hybrid Denji's piercing damage (Stabbed through the Gun Fiend)
• Gun Fiend Aki's physicals (Should be comparable to Unmasked Violence)
• Gun Fiend w/ firearms (At least, should be higher than his physicals)
• Human Quanxi's Physicals (Hurt Yoru, could kill Yoshida with one direct hit, caught Kishibe's knife, bit Fumiko who's more durable than PS Uniforms(???))
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru (Stopped Yoshida's sword on her skin, took a kick from Quanxi, hurt herself running into a wall)
• Hybrid Barem's flamethrowers (Can kill loads of zombies at once)
• Yoshida w/ Octopus (Can mow down loads of empowered dolls, summon by Yoshida after seeing how his sword only scratched Yoru)
• Octopus Devil (At least, should be much stronger than a single tentacle much like how Ghost's stronger than one arm, but also there's nothing to scale it to)
• Kishibe's Contracts (At least, knife should be way stronger than Kishibe's normal knife skills given how contracts work, deemed by Pingtsi as fearsome)

High Top - Snake's Snoot Droop: 436.94 tons of TNT

• Akane w/ Full Snake (The feat was not performed with normal summoning conditions, so it's unknown if she can normally summon it to this level)
• Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji (Via Fear Scaling)
• Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji's piercing damage (At least, impaled Hybrid Miri)
• Hybrid Miri (Stronger than Whip given performance against Denji, took a knee to the jaw from him)
• Hybrid Miri's piercing damage (At least, impaled Denji)
• Human Quanxi w/ cutting damage (At least, decapitated Hybrid Miri, stabbed Nail through his(?) uniform)
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ cutting damage (At least, had a sword fight with Quanxi)
• Hybrid Quanxi (At least, could actually fight the Pochita Clone, stronger than Post-Fear Boost Hybrid Denji, but less fearsome)
• Pochita Clone (At least, got a double KO w/ Hybrid Quanxi)
• Fiend Dolls under Post-Darkness Santa (At least, can stab Hybrid Quanxi)

Top Tiers - Upscaling: 550 tons of TNT

• Makima (Punched off Chainsaw Man's limbs, breaking his saws on one occasion)
• Nighttime Santa (Given "the power to kill Makima," brushed off Quanxi's barrage)
• Hybrid Quanxi's Piercing Damage (Nighttime Santa bothered snapping her arrows instead of getting hit by them)
• Pochita Clone's Piercing Damage (At least, tore through Makima)
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation (At least, harmed Makima, pierced a ton of Public Safety uniforms)
• Denji w/ Power Saw (At least, continuously harmed Makima)
• Post-Chainsaw Man Church Yoru w/ Room 606 Sword (Upscales from Scalpel Sword given the value of the Room 606 Sword)
• Angel w/ Millenium Spear (At least, utterly wrecked Weakened Pochita)

Not sure if it's worth noting since it scales to literally no one, but using Makima using 100 years against, Blood Devil Power, the Milennium Spear could be multipliered to nearly 1 kiloton, although it's shakey and doesn't really change anything.

 

[GunshyFever]

I do wonder how Denji was able to explain to schools how Nayuta went from appearing 6 years old to like, 10 in less than a year.

Kishibe probably had her covered.

In other news, doing Aki's Bullet Dodge and recalcing Nail's feat in Ch. 144 in prep for the Speed CRT, since there's nothing else to do AP-wise.

They do seem like some good Supersonic feats at a glance, then they end up just being subsonic+ or transonic.

Not sure if it's worth noting since it scales to literally no one, but using Makima using 100 years against, Blood Devil Power, the Milennium Spear could be multipliered to nearly 1 kiloton, although it's shakey and doesn't really change anything.

I wouldn't see it as shaky. That value actually seems pretty neat considering it's a 1000 year spear, and was practically that one nonsensical attack which managed to put a weakening Pochita down. It's practically the only attack in the manga where we cannot piece things together considering its just so damn random.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Can't wait for Cockroach Devil matchups

All I say is the terraformas matchups would be lit

 

[ElajRuengies]

Kishibe probably had her covered.

They do seem like some good Supersonic feats at a glance, then they end up just being subsonic+ or transonic.

Oh yeah, Aki's bullet dodge is only Subsonic+ at a glance, but turns out Nail was much closer to the shooters than this calc assumed. He(?)'s like, 2.5 meters away from the rifles when he moves. Now, the strength of Fiends vary greatly and Nail has basically no direct scaling, so typical devil hunters wouldn't automatically scale, but I think it's safe to assume relevant devils would be Supersonic. These are eyeballed values, but I'll have exact values soon-ish.

I wouldn't see it as shaky. That value actually seems pretty neat considering it's a 1000 year spear, and was practically that one nonsensical attack which managed to put a weakening Pochita down. It's practically the only attack in the manga where we cannot piece things together considering its just so damn random.

I meant shakey in regard to it assumes Makima knew exactly how strong Power was and calibrated the time use to match her, when it's equally likely the sword either wouldn't have been enough and she underestimated her, or would've been totally overkill. So we don't know what exact value the Century Sword scales to.

Angel tried to use a 10 year sword against Makima, but it never hit so we don't know what the damage would've been, and the 5 year sword just phased through the dolls without killing them.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Forgor to reply

Fox's mouth is open when it talks, it's just that its teeth are closed- and it's totally possible to talk with your teeth closed.

I think we should bring the anime into this one, since the anime portrayed perfectly the telepathy effect. But eh, I don't think telepathy is too important in this case so whatever.

Also didn't mention it before, but your Fox Calc assumes that the entire contents of what it destroyed ended up in its mouth, when evidently parts of the building was pushed out in all directions.

This is true, but that's only parts of it, we could assume about 10% of the content was lost or something and it'll be fine

Anywho, Fox's real body is in Kyoto (Stated by Himeno during Eternity Arc), so any damage its summoned manifestations take isn't representative of its actual stamina.

Well, so what should I put in the stamina section? It's not like fox wouldn't have superhuman stamina right? Oh well, I guess I'll just say it's relative to bat.

Also it should be higher with head [scaling to 0.0555 tons of TNT), at least Building level with teeth (0.25 tons of TNT), for its piercing damage, since it decapitated Leech- which should be at least sem-comparable to Bat given their shared dream- and also Aki tried to summon it against Eternity w/ Gunflesh, which could harm initial Hybrid Denji.

Seems reasonable enough, though I don't think Aki trying to summon it against Eternity prove much tbh

Eternity w/ scales to baseline Building level (0.25 tons of TNT) given that's what Initial Hybrid Denji now scales to (CRT is underway), and

Wait, this one (0.25 tons) and the one above (0.0555 tons), the 0.0555 tons I can understand that it's just 80% hollowness for fox chomp, but what is the 0.25 tons? Is there a calc for that one yet?
Edit: Nvm, I found it in the chain scaling. Guess I gotta seriously read the mega crt again this time! Anyways, this should only be Dura only as for Eternity's AP for 1st form, I think based on the Denji get wrecked calc, it should be 0.807 tons based on how it decapitated Denji rather than the baseline 0.25 tons

Eternity should just scale to Fox's physicals as a full-on Devil. (0.0555 tons of TNT).

Yeah true

Also "pawn" should be capitalized.

Will fix this one

Edit: This is the updated version of the profiles, check it out

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Also, what should I link to for the Denji get wrecked backscaling? Your Mega crt?

 

[Rez]

Seeing Bat's reincarnation being listed as weaker than its old one (it isn't but we haven't fixed that yet) actually got me thinking about Makima and Nayuta.

Before the world went to shit, people would've feared control in Part 2 as much as they did in Part 1, yet Nayuta could only control three people at once, while Makima had like 50 people on her chains at one point. Meaning most of the fear boost Makima got wasn't actually fear of control, but rather fear of Makima as a individual.

(Also, Nayuta not having access to Public Safety's massive amount of resources, plus her not being a psycho, would contribute sheer difference in ability between the two.)

Also Nayuta needs the chains to control people meanwhile makima could just do it

 

[CowHeadGod]

huh, funny people are now bringing up the Nayuta vs Makima difference.

iirc back when i was reworking Denji's profile, people asked why i didn't scale his post-weakening key above his pre-training key due to him negative-diffing the reincarnated bat devil. well, this was the reason. Nayuta's existence shows that part 1 incarnation power =/= part 2 reincarnation power unless proven otherwise.

or at least that was how i was thinking back then ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

huh, funny people are now bringing up the Nayuta vs Makima difference.

iirc back when i was reworking Denji's profile, people asked why i didn't scale his post-weakening key above his pre-training key due to him negative-diffing the reincarnated bat devil. well, this was the reason. Nayuta's existence shows that part 1 incarnation power =/= part 2 reincarnation power unless proven otherwise.

or at least that was how i was thinking back then ¯\(ツ)/¯

Well, I always think that devils in part 2 was mostly nerfed already because of the appearance of Chainsaw man the hero. We can easily see how bat was likely way weaker because it's animalistic and isn't as smart anymore (not that not smart = weak because Bucky exists, but again most if not all strong devils are smart and can talk normally).

 

[Alexander]

Also Nayuta needs the chains to control people meanwhile makima could just do it

man

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

man

man, from the hit anime Chain that I saw?

 

[Alexander]

man, from the hit anime Chain that I saw?

what

 

[ElajRuengies]

I think we should bring the anime into this one, since the anime portrayed perfectly the telepathy effect. But eh, I don't think telepathy is too important in this case so whatever.

Honestly, communication with contractor could also just be a Contract power.

This is true, but that's only parts of it, we could assume about 10% of the content was lost or something and it'll be fine

Fair

Well, so what should I put in the stamina section? It's not like fox wouldn't have superhuman stamina right? Oh well, I guess I'll just say it's relative to bat.

Fair

Edit: Nvm, I found it in the chain scaling. Guess I gotta seriously read the mega crt again this time! Anyways, this should only be Dura only as for Eternity's AP for 1st form, I think based on the Denji get wrecked calc, it should be 0.807 tons based on how it decapitated Denji rather than the baseline 0.25 tons

Wasn't decapitation, just a neck snap.

Also, what should I link to for the Denji get wrecked backscaling? Your Mega crt?

I think no link is fine. If people are really curious, they'll just see the Verse page.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Wasn't decapitation, just a neck snap.

Is that so? But eh, same either way tbh, should still scale above Denji get wrecked calc, Dura will likely be baseline building, or maybe downscale from the calc.

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

1.) Chainsaw Man doesn't have a Universal Energy System where Speed scales equally with some kind of internal energy, and-

Why is this important? Wouldn't the logic still exist? Like, for example, say X character has his power increase through reading books. Before he read a book, he had like 16 megatons of AP through doing X feat, then after he read a book, he did Y feat which is 890 gigatons of AP. So, you find the increase of power from each book by dividing the AP of him after he read a book to his AP before, which results in a 55,625 megaton multiplier increase of power after consuming one book. That doesn't need a UES, that can just be a conclusion that's concluded through logic like that.

2.) Even if it did (which it doesn't), the amount aggregate Gun Flesh wouldn't qualify for that anyway, it'd be related to Fear levels, and-

Wdym? I'm confused

the KE calc you just linked assumed that 20% Gun could move its whole body at Mach 700+, which it can't, and-

Why not?

Part 1 Pochita is nowhere close to Primal Fears. It took the Chainsaw Man Zombie Apocalypse for Pochita to become as feared as Sickness or Aging, and even that claim is arguable.

Just to confirm, being more feared doesn't mean you outscale and just stomp another devil in a fight if that devil is less feared than you, it just means that you have higher statistics yourself?

Also at least what about what I said of Makima being Sub-Relativistic via relative to Primals in reaction speeds?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Why is this important? Wouldn't the logic still exist? Like, for example, say X character has his power increase through reading books. Before he read a book, he had like 16 megatons of AP through doing X feat, then after he read a book, he did Y feat which is 890 gigatons of AP. So, you find the increase of power from each book by dividing the AP of him after he read a book to his AP before, which results in a 55,625 megaton multiplier increase of power after consuming one book. That doesn't need a UES, that can just be a conclusion that's concluded through logic like that.

So you tell me Yoru can now one punch a mountain just because Gun Goddess can exert more than 100 megatons of TNT? That's the problem, unlike JJK where you can judge a character by their CE output, not that CT doesn't matter, it still helps with CE efficiency and all that, but the point here is they still have a connection being CE, but in csm, devil ability and their AP (physical) literally does not even have any kind of energy that tie them together, they get weaker or stronger in their own way, like how Yoru's weaponification just doesn't "get stronger" by allowing her to create stronger weapon, but by allowing her to do so without touching. Now calc the AP of that stuff then? You can't, understand now?

Why not?

Because there are 0 calc for that, unless you reduce Gun Devil's range in it's battle against Makima to 1km and let it fly the rest 499km in 3 seconds, which we don't have anything to base it on (just wait for the anime tbh)

Just to confirm, being more feared doesn't mean you outscale and just stomp another devil in a fight if that devil is less feared than you, it just means that you have higher statistics yourself?

Yes, yes that'a the thing. Doll Devil literally got stomped by Cosmo's mindhack despite cosmo being a fiend and doll having darkness's flesh, that tells us something ain't it?

Also at least what about what I said of Makima being Sub-Relativistic via relative to Primals in reaction speeds?

Idk about this, Pochita blitzed her and Aging could casually react to Pochita if it want so no tbh.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Why is this important? Wouldn't the logic still exist? Like, for example, say X character has his power increase through reading books. Before he read a book, he had like 16 megatons of AP through doing X feat, then after he read a book, he did Y feat which is 890 gigatons of AP. So, you find the increase of power from each book by dividing the AP of him after he read a book to his AP before, which results in a 55,625 megaton multiplier increase of power after consuming one book. That doesn't need a UES, that can just be a conclusion that's concluded through logic like that.

1. The numbers you have attached to Feats X and Y don't actually exist in the story, and would be the result of incredibly, ridiculously subjective calcs barely related to any canonical intention. You can't make a multiplier based on that.

2. Read the Sites Rules and educate yourself instead of burdening others with having to regurgitate every site-wide consensus reached over the Wiki's years and years of existence.

Wdym? I'm confused

Gunflesh is a very physical thing to base output on. Aggregating Gunflesh theredore doesn't qualify for a Non Physical Energy System, let alone a Universal Energy System.

Why not?

Because 20% Gun never moves that fast in the story.

Just to confirm, being more feared doesn't mean you outscale and just stomp another devil in a fight if that devil is less feared than you, it just means that you have higher statistics yourself?

Never said that, but potentially yes if the other devil has absurd hax.

The issue with Barem's statement about Pochita being Primal level is that there's a ton of evidence against it.

Also at least what about what I said of Makima being Sub-Relativistic via relative to Primals in reaction speeds?

Plot Armor.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

The issue with Barem's statement about Pochita being Primal level is that there's a ton of evidence against it.

I wonder why people even trust the word of a top 2 Chainsaw man fanatic, it's like that time when people just take the words of the Cicada guy as god's words, 100% fax no cap.

Plot Armor.

Could just be that darkness doesn't give a shit, who knows? Or maybe somehow, someway, the Pochita that fought Makima is actually massively stronger than the one we have now, who knows? Maybe 300000 Chainsaw man wasn't enough to completely make people fear Chainsaw completely. Maybe the day that Death Devil wreck havoc on the world is near so all devils just kinda stop fearing Pochita too much, stuff like that could happen.

But tbh, most likely Pochita is somehow nerfed.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Feeling like this is important stuff so I better just get all my point out on this one
Makima matched Darkness but got blitzed by Pochita, who Aging could match in speed, but we need to look again to see how many times it happened.

People might wank Makima to sky high for some reason, saying that she is somehow actually physically stronger than Pochita while she literally got obliterated by normal guns even right before we get to see true form Pochita, meaning that her physical capabilities can't be that stronger than Falling who is also the same as her.

Pochita is likely just nerfed, even with 300000 Chainsaw man messing everything up, I don't think Pochita is as strong as when he fought Makima at all, the Devils might have stopped fearing Pochita as much because of Nostradamus's prophecy and all that stuff, it's clear that the Devils are getting more and more influence now that the world is in terror, after Falling and stuff like that, and yes while that would make Pochita stronger, other Devils would also get stronger too which means their influence on the world is stronger than ever, Public Safety is fraudulent now, Chainsaw man the superhero is gone, all that makes all Devils powering up more and more and that would heavily affect Pochita as an individual devil because again, they'd stop fearing Pochita as much as before.

And also, while Makima's physical was only enough to win Pochita in a straight hand fight ONLY with her contract (people literally forget that she got obliterated many times before she finally defeat weakened Pochita), somehow she's now matching true form Pochita just because she matched Darkness's reaction speed that we don't even know if it's coming from locked in Darkness or not? And against weakened Pochita she would literally go all out and won't hold back at all, because some people's point is that she held back against Pochita because she idolize him, but against her most hated individual in existence being "Denji", she ain't gonna think of holding back for even a second, not after he "came back" again after Makima literally took everything from him and "got rid" of him for good to bring back Pochita. So the 2 likely explanation is that either Pochita ain't as strong, that or Darkness just ain't locked in at all, which is what all primal fears does, they literally never go all out even if it's to achieve something they want, they just playing around too much and ****** everything up.

Devils don't fear Pochita as much anymore, and that's why Pochita need a hell trip now to teach them who's boss.

 

[GodEarh206]

Thread 'Darkness Devil vs Sukuna (Rematch)'

Feb 16, 2025

Rule:
• Speed is Equalization
• Sukuna had all of his Arsenal and in his True Form
• Battle took in Tokyo
Darkness Devil: Entity, VoidGoji, Acertainbcplayer, DrGreyman

Sukuna: Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe

• GodEarh206
• chainsaw man (verse) darkness devil jujutsu kaisen ryomen sukuna
• Replies: 48
• Forum: Versus Threads

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We need a win against the cursed king

 

[GodEarh206]

Or not

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

This might sounds crazy, but I somehow calculated the AP for the bullet not using KE but using google earth. So I marked about 5400km of landmass/mountains that the bullet completely obliterated through it's way (take into account the height the bullet is flying at too), assumed that the destruction is as the same shape as the hole in the buildings (which diameter is about 27m, using 4.3m stories to calc), then look for all terrains that the bullet obliterated and found out it's mostly rock, assume that the bullet vaporize everything on it's way because it's not realistic for a bullet that could only pulverize mountains to reach it's destination 29000km away while obliterating 5400km of rocks on it's way anyways, and also due to extreme speed which will generate more than enough pressure to reach vaporization point, at least for half of it's way, plus I removed collateral damage out of the equation already (in short, me lazy). The height the bullet is flying at is also calculated using the 2nd shot (because while it was shot from around the same height as the statue, the bullet both times visually fly closer to the sea than it should if it stays the same height as when it was shot), which is about 10m or so.

And all that gave me around 19 Gigatons of TNT. Man, Island level Chainsaw man is here guys, and that's with the assumption that the bullet won't just also obliterate all the landmass and not just only dig a small hole through them. I don't even know why I did this when the hair calc is still there (maybe as a safeguard), and I don't even know if this is even valid or not.

 

[GodEarh206]

And all that gave me around 19 Gigatons of TNT. Man, Island level Chainsaw man is here guys, and that's with the assumption that the bullet won't just also obliterate all the landmass and not just only dig a small hole through them. I don't even know why I did this when the hair calc is still there (maybe as a safeguard), and I don't even know if this is even valid or not.

Damn......

 

[SlendVeny]

This might sounds crazy, but I somehow calculated the AP for the bullet not using KE but using google earth. So I marked about 5400km of landmass/mountains that the bullet completely obliterated through it's way (take into account the height the bullet is flying at too), assumed that the destruction is as the same shape as the hole in the buildings (which diameter is about 27m, using 4.3m stories to calc), then look for all terrains that the bullet obliterated and found out it's mostly rock, assume that the bullet vaporize everything on it's way because it's not realistic for a bullet that could only pulverize mountains to reach it's destination 29000km away while obliterating 5400km of rocks on it's way anyways, and also due to extreme speed which will generate more than enough pressure to reach vaporization point, at least for half of it's way, plus I removed collateral damage out of the equation already (in short, me lazy). The height the bullet is flying at is also calculated using the 2nd shot (because while it was shot from around the same height as the statue, the bullet both times visually fly closer to the sea than it should if it stays the same height as when it was shot), which is about 10m or so.

And all that gave me around 19 Gigatons of TNT. Man, Island level Chainsaw man is here guys, and that's with the assumption that the bullet won't just also obliterate all the landmass and not just only dig a small hole through them. I don't even know why I did this when the hair calc is still there (maybe as a safeguard), and I don't even know if this is even valid or not.

Wouldn't that mean you had to assume the world was the exact same geographically and geologically despite all the magic shit going down?