Questioning the Potency of Higher Dimensional Hax

[TheGatememer]

This is more of a pseudo-CRT, but I don’t feel like actually making the CRT, so meh.

According to current site standards, higher dimensional hax is more potent than lower dimensional hax, and inherently bypasses any lower dimensional resistances.

However, this doesn’t make much sense to me. For example, let’s say that there are Characters A, and B. Character A has 4D Spatial Hax (No layers), and Character B is a 3D being with resistance to 3D Spatial Hax. Under current site standards, Character A can completely bypass Character B’s resistance via having “higher dimensional potency”.

However there is an issue with this: Character B is only 3D. Regardless of whether or not the hax is 4D, 5D, 11D, etc, Character B is only 3D, so they can only be hit by the hax in those 3 dimensions (ie, can only be hit by 3D hax).

So going back to the previous example, if Character A manages to hit Character B with 4D Spatial Hax, Character B will be hit in 3 of those 4 dimensions, but since they aren’t a 4D being, and as such, isn’t even present in the 4th Dimension, they logically can’t be affected by that extra dimension of “potency”.

So, the main issue I have with the current standards is that it kind of faces the same issue as many surface area calculations, where you don’t inherently tank the full yield of the attack, due to you not being as large as the attack itself, and are only tanking a small portion of it.

What I’m trying to say is, if you’re a lower dimensional being (Say, 3D), and are hit with higher dimensional hax (Say, 5D), how is it any more potent than hax on your dimensional level (3D) if you don’t even exist in those higher dimensions, and as such, can only be hit in those 3 out of 5 dimensions anyways?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Lemme explain. Although higher-dimensional beings cannot directly attack lower-dimensional beings without stuff like avatars or lower-dimensional interaction or whatever another ability, they can indirectly attack lower dimensions. Three-dimensional fire can still burn paper that contains two-dimensional drawings on it. Anything 4-D is inherently just higher than 3-D stuff and so on. Higher-dimensional hax or js attacks in general can still hit lower-dimensional beings while lower-dimensional beings have no way of fighting back without some specific ability like higher-dimensional interaction.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Three-dimensional fire can still burn paper that contains two-dimensional drawings on it

2D drawings ?

 

[AyOgUyS]

2D drawings ?

?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

All drawings are 3D

 

[AyOgUyS]

All drawings are 3D

So the stick figure I drew is 3D? Is this text 3D? Ofc not its obv 2D and I can delete it.

 

[ashen]

This is more of a pseudo-CRT, but I don’t feel like actually making the CRT, so meh.

According to current site standards, higher dimensional hax is more potent than lower dimensional hax, and inherently bypasses any lower dimensional resistances.

However, this doesn’t make much sense to me. For example, let’s say that there are Characters A, and B. Character A has 4D Spatial Hax (No layers), and Character B is a 3D being with resistance to 3D Spatial Hax. Under current site standards, Character A can completely bypass Character B’s resistance via having “higher dimensional potency”.

However there is an issue with this: Character B is only 3D. Regardless of whether or not the hax is 4D, 5D, 11D, etc, Character B is only 3D, so they can only be hit by the hax in those 3 dimensions (ie, can only be hit by 3D hax).

So going back to the previous example, if Character A manages to hit Character B with 4D Spatial Hax, Character B will be hit in 3 of those 4 dimensions, but since they aren’t a 4D being, and as such, isn’t even present in the 4th Dimension, they logically can’t be affected by that extra dimension of “potency”.

So, the main issue I have with the current standards is that it kind of faces the same issue as many surface area calculations, where you don’t inherently tank the full yield of the attack, due to you not being as large as the attack itself, and are only tanking a small portion of it.

What I’m trying to say is, if you’re a lower dimensional being (Say, 3D), and are hit with higher dimensional hax (Say, 5D), how is it any more potent than hax on your dimensional level (3D) if you don’t even exist in those higher dimensions, and as such, can only be hit in those 3 out of 5 dimensions anyways?

Although I agree with the idea of all hax should not being mesurable in potency via dimensionality, when it comes to space or times hax wich are basically the « building block of dimensionality » i think it is fair way to mesure it.

the hypothetical energy needed to affect the higher space or time will always be uncountably infinitely larger from the perspective of a lower one, thus making it a greater feat by itself.

Or even when not accounting that the 3D character have no way of resisting a 6D space bending technique that will folds space in 3 additional axis that the 3D being with normal space resistance could withstand.

Because yes, you can fold a lower dimension objects into higher shape. A perfect example for this is how a line (1D object) can be shape to forme circle (2D shape) while still be a lines and not have any surface area like a disk (2D object)

Although I believe the verse should show some clarifications on how he treat it, as fiction my occasionally not use this dimension power Potency based Logic most of them often use it, higher dimensional power overpowering lower one is common.

But when it comes to abstract hax it becomes trickier for me, as the source of the power is not completely or sometimes even completely unrelated to dimensions.

For exemple a verse treating fate as higher abstract force that guide, defines and exerts absolute control over everything (including space and times), and character of this same verse manipulating this force would likely not having his potency measured through dimensionality, the range may be mesures through it though.

The source of power of the verse notions of fate is unrelated to the effect it may have on space and time.

But I don’t see why we should mesures abstract haxes potency inherently based on dimensionality. If the verse makes precision that a higher dimensional power will always be greater than a lower one it could be used.

But I do agree that « 7D conceptual manipulation type 1 » sound really bad regarding potency while Concept type 1 are especially said to be independent from the part of reality they govern while still maintaining an abstract nature.

Making a 7D conceptual manipulation type 1 overcoming and destroying the 6D one while both objects of the respective concept are said to be for exemple « minerals », while still claiming independence from their objects sound absurd.

And even if you claims that the 6D one is only independent from 6D objects while the 7D is independent from a more complex and greater object it is still a physical object.

I see no reason of why proving overpowering the effect would leads to potential manipulation or takeover of the concept type 1 that only has shown 6D range, because to start with feats of presumed « potency » was only exercised on the object, and not the concept who is said to be independent of it.

I think the issue here is mainly not making any distinction between the effects and causes/sources of the effects in question.

I think it should be mesures through layers, or further/more fondamental laws concepts principles being the building block of the lower one.
While still having the possibility of a verse co-relating dimensionality effect to the potency of the abstract hax, it should not being considered to be more potent than layers or more fundamental forces, or at least not until clarified.

Could make error in my reasoning though, I just don’t understand why it is done like that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So the stick figure I drew is 3D? Is this text 3D? Ofc not its obv 2D and I can delete it.

Drawings inherently are not 2D because they're still technically remains of ink or whatever material you used to draw, meaning they still have a thickness, despite almost nonexistent.

In fact:

Thread 'The Pedestrian's 2-D status'

Feb 1, 2025

The Pedestrian's 11-A rating is unsubstantiated, as they only appear as images throughout the game with no direct evidence of them being 2-D. As our tiering system says:

Please note that existing as a drawing or being made of data/information is not to be ranked at this tier, as such beings are still 3-dimensional, but on an incredibly small scale.

Furthermore, the profile itself seemingly contradicts the Pedestrian's status as less than 3-D, as it treats pushing supposedly "2-D" boxes as Below Average Lifting Strength. I propose we remove 11-A and...

• IdiosyncraticLawyer
• the pedestrian
• Replies: 12
• Forum: Content Revision

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[AyOgUyS]

Drawings inherently are not 2D because they're still technically remains of ink or whatever material you used to draw, meaning they still have a thickness, despite almost nonexistent.

In fact:

Thread 'The Pedestrian's 2-D status'

Feb 1, 2025

The Pedestrian's 11-A rating is unsubstantiated, as they only appear as images throughout the game with no direct evidence of them being 2-D. As our tiering system says:

Please note that existing as a drawing or being made of data/information is not to be ranked at this tier, as such beings are still 3-dimensional, but on an incredibly small scale.

Furthermore, the profile itself seemingly contradicts the Pedestrian's status as less than 3-D, as it treats pushing supposedly "2-D" boxes as Below Average Lifting Strength. I propose we remove 11-A and...

• IdiosyncraticLawyer
• the pedestrian
• Replies: 12
• Forum: Content Revision

• 

What abt text on a screen tho?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What abt text on a screen tho?

.txt files are literally just that, yet they're 3D as they're made of data, and the bigger it is, the more memory it requires, hence actually occupying physical space.

 

[AyOgUyS]

.txt files are literally just that, yet they're 3D as they're made of data, and the bigger it is, the more memory it requires, hence actually occupying physical space.

So, the text I'm typing rn is 3D? Dang, that seems so wrong but hey, I'm not an expert on this stuff so ur prob right.
On a side note, I guess this means that characters who exist purely as an image on a screen or within a video game would be Below Average Human on this wiki.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So, the text I'm typing rn is 3D? Dang, that seems so wrong but hey, I'm not an expert on this stuff so ur prob right.

Atom thick, but yes.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Atom thick, but yes.

Wow.

 

[AyOgUyS]

In that case, ig fights between lower-dimensional and higher-dimensional beings are js: Do they have Higher/Lower Dimensional Interaction or Avatar Creation or whatever other ability bypasses this stuff.

 

[TheGatememer]

Lemme explain. Although higher-dimensional beings cannot directly attack lower-dimensional beings without stuff like avatars or lower-dimensional interaction or whatever another ability, they can indirectly attack lower dimensions. Three-dimensional fire can still burn paper that contains two-dimensional drawings on it. Anything 4-D is inherently just higher than 3-D stuff and so on. Higher-dimensional hax or js attacks in general can still hit lower-dimensional beings while lower-dimensional beings have no way of fighting back without some specific ability like higher-dimensional interaction.

That isn't really what I mean: I more so mean that higher-dimensional hax shouldn't be any more potent than lower-dimensional hax against a lower dimensional being. (ie, 11D Spatial Hax on a 3D being has the same effect as 3D Spatial Hax, since the 3D being only exists in 3 Dimensions, and not the other 8)

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

That isn't really what I mean: I more so mean that higher-dimensional hax shouldn't be any more potent than lower-dimensional hax against a lower dimensional being. (ie, 11D Spatial Hax on a 3D being has the same effect as 3D Spatial Hax, since the 3D being only exists in 3 Dimensions, and not the other 8)

Yes, It should even be immunity to higher D since they lack those D just like how you get immunity to soul manipulation via lacking soul.

 

[AyOgUyS]

That isn't really what I mean: I more so mean that higher-dimensional hax shouldn't be any more potent than lower-dimensional hax against a lower dimensional being. (ie, 11D Spatial Hax on a 3D being has the same effect as 3D Spatial Hax, since the 3D being only exists in 3 Dimensions, and not the other 8)

Well, since bill cipher corrected me on dimensionality, I know realize a 3d being is technically immune to attacks from a 11d being because of the complicated range issue.