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Invincible season 3 discussion

People literally donated their bodies for the purpose of helping to protect the world. And Mark just treats those robots like garbage lol.
Well, they aren't very helpful if they die so quickly...to be honest.
Cecil was spot on when he called Mark arrogant and childish.
The guy wasn't honest with him either, in fact he was rarely even honest, he didn't tell mark about sinclair or darkwing, he didn't told him about the chip in his head, dammit he clearly thinks Mark is like his dad even when he is not like him, and Cecil still thinks Mark is a possible threat.
I feel like this show peaked at season 1 unfortunately.
bad take, has low has the ground, the powerscaling of the show sucked in season 1 (man Omni man got hurt by RED RUSH)
 
Aside from Brit's son in a single boot, Monster Girl was the only one shown on panel destroying the volcanic drones. It reads good for Monster Girl, but we know Brit has fodder AP and no one else does in the final battle.
Well, Monster Girl and her Flaxan son too. Again, the way monster girl’s powers work means beginning of comic Monster Girl>the one that tore apart the drones. The same one BoS Mark negged during the new GOTG trials.

Mark said not to hit the drones too hard, as if they weren't deadly enough that there'd be no other option. Everyone and their kids were there, including Immortal's kids, who were seen flying away with one of them. Mark being hit hard enough to bleed from the mouth (seriously, bled gums aren't much better than nose bleeds), it would be because he was pinned from the vibrations and being wailed on.
Again, Viltrumite War Mark hounded on a drone on the Moon and didn’t tear it apart. It took minor damage. So there’s no excuse there. I don’t think the frequency lowers durability, so they were still drawing blood regardless.

That's fair. I wrote it off because he could barely stand, and then he acted fine, but there was very little time in between to say for certain.
He didn’t like “act fine” he just got along with it. It was legit like 20 secs after.

Nolan was very much struggling with those things, or as I said, was being dogged on (the cape wrap was something else). It took him a minute to get his bearings during that beatdown. Mark, who is still weaker than his father, just got done getting beat up by the core insects and still fodderized better Reanimen. That's some strong inconsistency I don't agree can be explained away by the nose bleed cannon
Why do you think they’re better Reanimen? He was “struggling” until he tore them apart with ease. I’d say he was just a little dazed is all. A barrage of punches from those things, which I believe can be equated to the same one which bruised Mark’s back, left no externals injuries on him. Omni-Man was generally a bit sloppy in that episode. He could’ve one-shot Immortal anytime but was dragging it out due to any variety of reasons known or unknown. I could probably suggest a few but it’d be pointless.
 
Mark in the beginning of S3: Almost gets every superhero killed because he can't beat some earth worms.

Reanimen come in and stomp the **** out of them.

Mark immediate after then just runs through armies of the things?

Like is Mark just purposefully holding back to the point that he risks getting everyone killed constantly?

I hate the scaling of this show it's so bad it is actually a negative.
No one damaged the big worms lol. Especially the one that stabbed him. Only the smaller ones were torn apart. The bigger ones just left after Seismic got yoinked.
 
People literally donated their bodies for the purpose of helping to protect the world. And Mark just treats those robots like garbage lol.

Cecil was spot on when he called Mark arrogant and childish.

I feel like this show peaked at season 1 unfortunately.
Wtf is he supposed to do let them wail on him when he tries to talk to Cecil? Your view on Mark’s choices isn’t a real critique on the show’s quality. First 3 episodes of S3 easily surpasses the majority of S1 episodes. E2 is probably only second to S1E8.
 
Balance of power in these episodes is just terrible.

And it also seems that the series does separate the concept of flight speed in space from reaction speed, because Mark shows Rel the results by giving his best. It always seemed to me that it was strange to put MFTL+ in reaction and combat speed, whether in a comic book or a TV series.

Mark can't beat the bugs by doing his best, and then the Monster Girl, Rex, the Immortal and other heroes do it.

The animation quality in many scenes leaves much to be desired. It's definitely brutal, but it's as cheap as possible. The characters often occupy a static position and we see a clumsy animation of shots from their hands without any dynamics. It would seem that this is a very successful show, but they just don't want to invest in it. It looks especially bad when you compare it to a good anime.

Mark is a total asshole. He mutilates the corpses of soldiers who have paid their debt to the Motherland, threatens ordinary people and uses force, and at the same time whines like a ***** when he is grabbed by the balls. He's become very hypocritical this season and it doesn't seem like he's in a hurry to send his brother to prison, even though he was against the release of Black Batman.
Are you a commie? “Motherland” lmfao
 
Mark in the beginning of S3: Almost gets every superhero killed because he can't beat some earth worms.

Reanimen come in and stomp the **** out of them.

Mark immediate after then just runs through armies of the things?

Like is Mark just purposefully holding back to the point that he risks getting everyone killed constantly?

I hate the scaling of this show it's so bad it is actually a negative.
His powers are also tied to his emotions. Him holding back is not like Deku for instance choosing to use 10% instead of 40%. As we saw in the fight in Thraxa, when he is "holding back" he genuinely does not have access to that power until his mindset changes.
 
Tbf that statement should just be dismissed all around, later on we see him flying into space pretty quickly and for some reason no one has bothered to calculated that
Yeah Mach 3 Immortal has as much tact as sub-400 tonner bench press rep max Mark pretty far into the comic.
 
In both the show and comic, it truly comes down to how fast these guys accelerate. The top tiers being MFTL is so strong because there are actually moments of flight interception from a still position. The fastest ship scene is the best support for instant 0-100, but who knows if that'll happen in the show.
Wait so what’s the basis on MFTL reactions in the show? I honestly never looked into it
 
It's an Omni-Man that flies through the galaxies.
Comic basis is that characters have been shown to accelerate from stationary to MFTL near instantly and react to each other in space battle while they themselves unmoving. Show has none of that yet
 
Wait so what’s the basis on MFTL reactions in the show? I honestly never looked into it
For some reason TV supportes think the "Reflexes are proportionate to flight speed" doesn't apply to them because it's never stated, even though it makes perfect sense regardless and that statement is never coming anyway due to how much looser they are with the powers there
 
Comic basis is that characters have been shown to accelerate from stationary to MFTL near instantly and react to each other in space battle while they themselves unmoving. Show has none of that yet
Do we have reason to believe that the speed at which the Omni-Man travels several meters in space and at which he flies in a straight line are the same thing?

In Allen and Mark's first battle, the former didn't even have time to react properly when they flew to the moon. And he also successfully blitzed Mark during his fast flight.

All the MFTL+ feats are done behind the scenes and relate only to flight speed, so I'm skeptical about them. It's similar to how Captain Marvel flies at the same speed, but it doesn't scale to her reaction.
 
Contrary to all the people in this thread, I think season 3 so far has been the best season. Yes, it's inconsistent as hell, but the first two seasons have already established that the writers care little for consistency and just go with whatever the plot demands. And if the plot is actually good, which in my opinion it is, it can make bad power consistency way more tolerable. The writers still manage to keep core established character levels such as viltrimites being greater than everyone else and heavy hitters like immortal being top tier excluding them. Problems only arise when group fights occur and they have to let narritively far weaker character be relevant in some way, which near always results in scaling inconsistencies. However the alternative is weaker characters not being useful at all, which is bad if your trying to have them be a relevant part of this show. So as a result, far weaker characters that Mark should instagib manage to injure or affect him in some way.
 
Contrary to all the people in this thread, I think season 3 so far has been the best season. Yes, it's inconsistent as hell, but the first two seasons have already established that the writers care little for consistency and just go with whatever the plot demands. And if the plot is actually good, which in my opinion it is, it can make bad power consistency way more tolerable. The writers still manage to keep core established character levels such as viltrimites being greater than everyone else and heavy hitters like immortal being top tier excluding them. Problems only arise when group fights occur and they have to let narritively far weaker character be relevant in some way, which near always results in scaling inconsistencies. However the alternative is weaker characters not being useful at all, which is bad if your trying to have them be a relevant part of this show. So as a result, far weaker characters that Mark should instagib manage to injure or affect him in some way.
This is true, I can mention several times where the power was inconsistent in the previous two seasons.
 
Well, Monster Girl and her Flaxan son too. Again, the way monster girl’s powers work means beginning of comic Monster Girl>the one that tore apart the drones. The same one BoS Mark negged during the new GOTG trials.


Again, Viltrumite War Mark hounded on a drone on the Moon and didn’t tear it apart. It took minor damage. So there’s no excuse there. I don’t think the frequency lowers durability, so they were still drawing blood regardless.


He didn’t like “act fine” he just got along with it. It was legit like 20 secs after.


Why do you think they’re better Reanimen? He was “struggling” until he tore them apart with ease. I’d say he was just a little dazed is all. A barrage of punches from those things, which I believe can be equated to the same one which bruised Mark’s back, left no externals injuries on him. Omni-Man was generally a bit sloppy in that episode. He could’ve one-shot Immortal anytime but was dragging it out due to any variety of reasons known or unknown. I could probably suggest a few but it’d be pointless.
Regardless of how toothless I feel the drones were in the final battle, I would now agree with the notion that Monster Girl got stronger. I myself haven't seen the scan (a Penvincible?) where Kirkman says Monster Girl was intended to be smaller. My understanding of the belt was that it locked the Monster form while allowing Amanda's human form to stack on and age up, or age up both forms. Could you point me to the scan? It rings a bell the more I think about it.

I say better because Sinclair would logically have worked to improve them. It's a simple "equal, if not greater" for our purposes. Omni-Man just should've done better/ the scene didn't need to happen, and these Reanimen moments muck up the S3 scene's Impact. Making Immortal actually scale to Omni-Man was a weird choice. Kirkman had been consistent in his lower placement for Immortal. Unless we're getting a Guarding the Globe special and or spin off, the best listers didn't need to amp.
 
Well, they aren't very helpful if they die so quickly...to be honest.
?????? They were literally damaging Mark and held back Omniman for quite a while.

Also the only reason that a bunch of superheroes didn't just die?

Strange thing to say.


The guy wasn't honest with him either, in fact he was rarely even honest, he didn't tell mark about sinclair or darkwing, he didn't told him about the chip in his head, dammit he clearly thinks Mark is like his dad even when he is not like him, and Cecil still thinks Mark is a possible threat.
He'd have to be stupid to not see Mark as a possible threat after Omni Man.

It's like how Batman has contingencies for superheroes because they could go evil or change their ways.

Putting the chip in his head was definitely going a bit far but I think it's justified.




bad take, has low has the ground, the powerscaling of the show sucked in season 1 (man Omni man got hurt by RED RUSH)
Since S1 episode 7 and 8 nothing has even come close to that same level lol.

Not to mention how good episode 1-2 were as well.

S3 isn't bad but it's definitely not up to par with those episodes. At least not yet. And the scaling here is definitely even worse...
 
?????? They were literally damaging Mark and held back Omniman for quite a while.

Also the only reason that a bunch of superheroes didn't just die?

Strange thing to say.
for a while? they lasted less than even the mutated Kaiju
He'd have to be stupid to not see Mark as a possible threat after Omni Man.
but man, literally Mark had not done anything to prove to be a danger like Omni Man, Cecil was very distrustful of him, he is on the same level as Levy trying to kill one of the few good marks in the multiverse, just because in his memories there were a lot of bad marks... or wait, no that's worse, because in the case of Cecil, Mark didn't do anything bad.
It's like how Batman has contingencies for superheroes because they could go evil or change their ways.
That excuse only works if Mark was mentally controlled, in that case I accept it, but it wasn't even that.
Putting the chip in his head was definitely going a bit far but I think it's justified.
No, it is not justified, putting a chip in Mark's head so that he can harm him with sound at any time is not justified, it is like saying that Adam from Hazbin Hotel causing annual genocides because in hell there are sinners and there is the possibility (it is not even a real danger, it is a possibility) that sinners will attack heaven... yes man, of course, completely justified (SARCASM)
Since S1 episode 7 and 8 nothing has even come close to that same level lol.
you are lying
Not to mention how good episode 1-2 were as well.
that is not a lie but saying those are the true peak of the show is a complete lie too.
S3 isn't bad but it's definitely not up to par with those episodes. At least not yet. And the scaling here is definitely even worse...
No, the scaling is not as bad as in the past seasons, this is almost the same has the previous seasons, somehow Red Rush can block Omni Man's blows and even damage him with his blows (literally makes him spit blood)... but at the same time Omni Man destroys him easily by crushing his head, let's not mention Mark fighting Viltrumites just because he stopped holding back, but with Anissa, he is destroyed and almost dies by her hands even when the difference should not be that big (again, they were fighting without holding back and Mark was able to hold himself pretty well).
 
By the way, I absolutely don't agree with Mark over Cecil in these episodes. Cecil is the only one in the show consistently making the most sense.
I completely understand Mark's anger, but I do find myself siding with Cecil, even if he also acted out of line due to his fear of Invincible. Cecil's issue is that he cannot fully trust Mark, even if he trust him far more than his father. I don't think Cecil expects Marks to end up the same way. But he could do something horrible.

I'm mostly baffled by how much venom Mark threw at Darkwing 2. Since he barely had any interaction with the man and he'd only killed criminals. Yeah I know him killing street thugs is immoral. But Mark was throwing him in the same category as Sinclair who joyfully kidnapped, experimented, and murdered innocent people.

You'd think he bring up Darkwing 2's mental problems. Since last season confirmed he hears voices in his head, yet Mark didn't bring that up at all. I feel the big problem Mark and Cecil had was their anger and lack of trust respectively. Mark was getting way too emotional and angry, which was clearly clouding his judgement. Cecil shouldn't have activated the earpiece in this situation. I understand being scared but he still was protected by many ReAnimen and could teleport.

Also, when Cecil made it clear he was terrified of Mark, Mark shouldn't have doubled down on his rage. Yelling at Cecil and stepping closer to him doesn't make him look good. I completely understand why Cecil is scared here. Mark in his rage can easily kill him with the slightest touch, even if it's just an accident.

With hindsight, I can see a few ways Cecil could've salvaged this situation. However, that's only with the hindsight I have as a viewer. If I was in Cecil's shoes I'd be terrified of Mark as well in this moment. He knows Mark is prone to going out of control when he gets too angry. I'd want some kind of protection against him as well.

Trust can only get you so far. People lose control and can do thinks they regret, Mark has done this as well. For a normal person, they get mad and maybe punch or push you. But if Mark does that, it's the end for Cecil. I personally can't say I'd put that much trust in Mark.

Not because I think he's evil, just that he's a normal person who can lose control when enraged. I don't think I would've handle that situation any better than Cecil did. He doesn't have the same hindsight of the situation and about Mark we all do.

What should a scared and vulnerable human do when someone who can rip me apart with his pinky finger is yelling at me? Well, as I said, putting something inside of Mark was going way too far. I think the room itself should've been a trap that played that sound, while Cecil would have ear protection.

Keep that earpiece as an absolute last resort. I feel like the situation didn't deteriorate that much for Cecil to use it. It's very unfortunate. I feel like had the other heroes been there, this situation could've been avoided. They're capable of holding Mark back from doing something by accident, and Mark won't try to kill them.

A verbal argument that still ends with Invincible cutting ties with Cecil is better than what actually happened.
 
He doesn't have the same hindsight of the situation and about Mark we all do.
with my Knowledge as a viewer I am even more on cecil's side seeing as most marks end up evil. If cecil knew what we know it would be bad for mark I bet.
 
I completely understand Mark's anger, but I do find myself siding with Cecil, even if he also acted out of line due to his fear of Invincible. Cecil's issue is that he cannot fully trust Mark, even if he trust him far more than his father. I don't think Cecil expects Marks to end up the same way. But he could do something horrible.

I'm mostly baffled by how much venom Mark threw at Darkwing 2. Since he barely had any interaction with the man and he'd only killed criminals. Yeah I know him killing street thugs is immoral. But Mark was throwing him in the same category as Sinclair who joyfully kidnapped, experimented, and murdered innocent people.

You'd think he bring up Darkwing 2's mental problems. Since last season confirmed he hears voices in his head, yet Mark didn't bring that up at all. I feel the big problem Mark and Cecil had was their anger and lack of trust respectively. Mark was getting way too emotional and angry, which was clearly clouding his judgement. Cecil shouldn't have activated the earpiece in this situation. I understand being scared but he still was protected by many ReAnimen and could teleport.

Also, when Cecil made it clear he was terrified of Mark, Mark shouldn't have doubled down on his rage. Yelling at Cecil and stepping closer to him doesn't make him look good. I completely understand why Cecil is scared here. Mark in his rage can easily kill him with the slightest touch, even if it's just an accident.

With hindsight, I can see a few ways Cecil could've salvaged this situation. However, that's only with the hindsight I have as a viewer. If I was in Cecil's shoes I'd be terrified of Mark as well in this moment. He knows Mark is prone to going out of control when he gets too angry. I'd want some kind of protection against him as well.

Trust can only get you so far. People lose control and can do thinks they regret, Mark has done this as well. For a normal person, they get mad and maybe punch or push you. But if Mark does that, it's the end for Cecil. I personally can't say I'd put that much trust in Mark.

Not because I think he's evil, just that he's a normal person who can lose control when enraged. I don't think I would've handle that situation any better than Cecil did. He doesn't have the same hindsight of the situation and about Mark we all do.

What should a scared and vulnerable human do when someone who can rip me apart with his pinky finger is yelling at me? Well, as I said, putting something inside of Mark was going way too far. I think the room itself should've been a trap that played that sound, while Cecil would have ear protection.

Keep that earpiece as an absolute last resort. I feel like the situation didn't deteriorate that much for Cecil to use it. It's very unfortunate. I feel like had the other heroes been there, this situation could've been avoided. They're capable of holding Mark back from doing something by accident, and Mark won't try to kill them.

A verbal argument that still ends with Invincible cutting ties with Cecil is better than what actually happened.
Calc mod, please help with this :"
 
with my Knowledge as a viewer I am even more on cecil's side seeing as most marks end up evil. If cecil knew what we know it would be bad for mark I bet.
The problem is that he has the only good Mark in the universe, and he threats him has if he will turn Evil
 
It doesn't take our knowledge of Mark to know he's a good person who isn't a threat to the planet. Cecil is a bag of shit who really doesn't know how to handle what he has at his disposal.
 
Do we have reason to believe that the speed at which the Omni-Man travels several meters in space and at which he flies in a straight line are the same thing?
Acceleration is a simple concept which proves he reaches MFTL in less than a second, regardless of feats (which they have proving this too).
In Allen and Mark's first battle, the former didn't even have time to react properly when they flew to the moon. And he also successfully blitzed Mark during his fast flight.
Wym "didn't even have time"? He literally saw the Moon coming before they impacted. He was dazed at first since he got hit in the eye.
All the MFTL+ feats are done behind the scenes and relate only to flight speed, so I'm skeptical about them. It's similar to how Captain Marvel flies at the same speed, but it doesn't scale to her reaction.
If you're referring to the comic, it's not solely based on that. Back when I made the CRT to get it changed, I gave a handful of explicit MFTL reaction/combat speed examples.
 
Regardless of how toothless I feel the drones were in the final battle, I would now agree with the notion that Monster Girl got stronger. I myself haven't seen the scan (a Penvincible?) where Kirkman says Monster Girl was intended to be smaller. My understanding of the belt was that it locked the Monster form while allowing Amanda's human form to stack on and age up, or age up both forms. Could you point me to the scan? It rings a bell the more I think about it.
It was actually both penvincipals AND in the comic itself, as well as the handbook:

-"The more she assumes her monster persona, the younger her human form becomes upon reverting back again. Converesly, the younger her human self becomes, her monster form grows in both stature and strength." [Invincible Handbook #2 page 17 (shows in scan)]

-Monster Girl comments on how the curse-reversing belt is working, but due to this her Monster form is slowly getting weaker and would soon become redundant in battle. [#94]

-Kirkman reaffirms the inverse proportion idea; comments on her appeared and true sizes. [Penvincipals #94]
 
Contrary to all the people in this thread, I think season 3 so far has been the best season. Yes, it's inconsistent as hell, but the first two seasons have already established that the writers care little for consistency and just go with whatever the plot demands. And if the plot is actually good, which in my opinion it is, it can make bad power consistency way more tolerable. The writers still manage to keep core established character levels such as viltrimites being greater than everyone else and heavy hitters like immortal being top tier excluding them. Problems only arise when group fights occur and they have to let narritively far weaker character be relevant in some way, which near always results in scaling inconsistencies. However the alternative is weaker characters not being useful at all, which is bad if your trying to have them be a relevant part of this show. So as a result, far weaker characters that Mark should instagib manage to injure or affect him in some way.
Agree with this sentiment.
 
with my Knowledge as a viewer I am even more on cecil's side seeing as most marks end up evil. If cecil knew what we know it would be bad for mark I bet.
With your hindsight as a viewer, I thought you'd be able to get that main Mark is one of the only genuinely good ones. Equating him to the psychotic evil versions is butchering the narrative of S2.
 
Yes, it's inconsistent as hell, but the first two seasons have already established that the writers care little for consistency and just go with whatever the plot demands.
i dont expect any authors would care. Power scaling isnt really the point of this series and i much rather things be interesting and have tension then be like "ya mark would one shot that"
 
Turn my back for a bit and we got 5 pages?! Dang, will besides the obvious reinamen and worm stuff. Has anyone caked the nuke mark survived in ep 3?
 
Country level. Good upgrade.

Invincible was knocked for a second though so this would probably be near the peak of his durability.

Still, unfortunately this would back scale to anyone who harms him...

Garbage scaling but whatever I suppose.
I'd like to note that he'd need a "Season 3" key, and his current keys should also be renamed as such
 
I watched it with a bunch of friends who dont know/care about power scaling and even they were making comments that it seemed odd who could hurt who and stuff. I was orginally thinking "could just be us cause this is our hobby" but no its pretty odd even when you dont care about scaling.
I've seen reactors and commentary channels comment on the same thing lol.

It's to the point that it is a genuine criticism for sure.
 
Country level. Good upgrade.

Invincible was knocked for a second though so this would probably be near the peak of his durability.

Still, unfortunately this would back scale to anyone who harms him...

Garbage scaling but whatever I suppose.
He took no physical damage, not even a nose-bleed (which is the usual damage he receives from any injury, cosmetic or otherwise). I think the nervous system gun casts reasonable doubt on using this as a cap. He was most definitely weakened and groggy from the shot like less-than-a-minute prior.
 
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