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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Tatsumi504 said:

Only those with further immortality like Revalschnedd, Doldread etc resurrect after being destroyed
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Yea, but I dont think it was implied that Gods with baseline immortality can't necessarily naturally ressurect while the trial is in effect. So far, all defeated Selection Gods were destroyed by special means.
 
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Success0906 said:
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Glis said:
Yea, but I dont think it was implied that Gods with baseline immortality can't necessarily naturally ressurect while the trial is in effect. So far, all defeated Selection Gods were destroyed by special means.
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Here.
A reflective puddle appeared before him, with the faint sound of trickling water. Two ripples quietly spread, which he slashed with the demon sword in his hands. The transparent cloth Linorolos was transformed into was torn to shreds, and Janeldefok shattered mid-charge like it was made of thin ice. In a flash, two gods were destroyed by the Ruinflow Sword, Altocorasta.
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Glis said:
Indeed, that is one of those special means.
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How is that special? Shin's sword doesn't have high godly regeneration negation you know? It can destroy sources which the gods with baseline Immortality should be able to ressurect from.

But this two frauds can't. For comparison the barrier God was vaporized by Ravia Neold Galvarizen and she was able to ressurect later.
 
DemonKing021 said:
How is that special? Shin's sword doesn't have high godly regeneration negation you know? It can destroy sources which the gods with baseline Immortality should be able to ressurect from.

But this two frauds can't. For comparison the barrier God was vaporized by Ravia Neold Galvarizen and she was able to ressurect later.
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It's no ordinary divine weapon, it's a God in a form of sword. Very much like Shin before he acquired demon body. To begin with, it is more contextually accurate to have the order of selection trial protect the Gods instead of restricting them from their natural capabilities(it would be counterproductive if it did). Vol 5 establishes one of the main the puprose of the pact which is that Gods don't die in the truest sense as they're sealed in the jewels instead.
 
Glis said:
Yea, but I dont think it was implied that Gods with baseline immortality can't necessarily naturally ressurect while the trial is in effect. So far, all defeated Selection Gods were destroyed by special means.
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That's exactly what it means though. Doldread, Rinoloros, Janeldfock, Afrasiata weren't destroyed by anything that peculiar
 
Glis said:
It's no ordinary divine weapon, it's a God in a form of sword. Very much like Shin before he acquired demon body. To begin with, it is more contextually accurate to have the order of selection trial protect the Gods instead of restricting them from their natural capabilities(it would be counterproductive if it did). Vol 5 establishes one of the main the puprose of the pact which is that Gods don't die in the truest sense as they're sealed in the jewels instead.
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No other God except the Goddess of Destruction (and maybe Frenzy God) have shown the ability to destroy gods permanently. In fact it's stated that no matter how powerful a god becomes it can't overthrow a god of another order.

Besides Water Burial God was destroyed by Ravia Gieg Gaverized when Barrier God could ressurect even after getting vaporized by Raviaz Neold Galvarizen.
 
Glis said:
It's no ordinary divine weapon, it's a God in a form of sword. Very much like Shin before he acquired demon body. To begin with, it is more contextually accurate to have the order of selection trial protect the Gods instead of restricting them from their natural capabilities(it would be counterproductive if it did). Vol 5 establishes one of the main the puprose of the pact which is that Gods don't die in the truest sense as they're sealed in the jewels instead.
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They do die (total destruction in the truest sense), their Order is just maintained by the Order of balance afterwards.
I'd love Shin to have another weapon (other than himself) that negates immortality and regen after Gneodoros was destroyed as well as for the fan union's Garde Aske to do the same but there's just no evidence backing it.

The selection trial has always been wack to me. Sure ut preserves Order after Gods are destroyed but it makes the winner a Proxy ( basically a God) gives them the Order of their selection god as well as all other orders the selection God acquired in the process. That already disturbs order more than it maintains it
 
Tatsumi504 said:
That's exactly what it means though. Doldread, Rinoloros, Janeldfock, Afrasiata weren't destroyed by anything that peculiar
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Exactly, I was simply pointing out that there wasn't any limitation to a God's natural regen as the after mentioned rules of the trial only takes effect once a God is met with something it can't ressurect from. They are not allowed to participate further under that condition alone.
 
DemonKing021 said:
No other God except the Goddess of Destruction (and maybe Frenzy God) have shown the ability to destroy gods permanently. In fact it's stated that no matter how powerful a god becomes it can't overthrow a god of another order.

Besides Water Burial God was destroyed by Ravia Gieg Gaverized when Barrier God could ressurect even after getting vaporized by Raviaz Neold Galvarizen.
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Not like Janeldfok and Rinorolos perished or was sealed in the pledge jewel anyways. Glysiris was subdued the exact moment they were destroyed so we never saw what happened to them exactly.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
They do die (total destruction in the truest sense), their Order is just maintained by the Order of balance afterwards.
I'd love Shin to have another weapon (other than himself) that negates immortality and regen after Gneodoros was destroyed as well as for the fan union's Garde Aske to do the same but there's just no evidence backing it.

The selection trial has always been wack to me. Sure ut preserves Order after Gods are destroyed but it makes the winner a Proxy ( basically a God) gives them the Order of their selection god as well as all other orders the selection God acquired in the process. That already disturbs order more than it maintains it
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Order of balance actually does both. It preserves a God's order via restoring a destroyed god's source(though it seals them as a penalty). Anos had two Selection Gods perish using Mauve eyes just to see their sources return inside the ring(Arcana eventually eats their sources).

Selection Trial was indeed one hell of a mess, but it was actually much more peacefull originally. The thing about Gods fighting other Gods then absorbing each other's order only surfaced because a fundamental order(destruction) was lost. So they needed alot of sacrifices to balance the surplus of creation.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
It doesn't
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It does

A huge amount of magical power overflows from the jewel.

It was the very origin of the Brilliant Light God, the Guardian God of Regeneration, and the Piercing God that I had destroyed.

The three blue flames that were burning in the jewel came out from the black stone and floated in the air.

"Accept. Become my body, Order of the Three." -- Vol 5, chapter 25
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Glis said:
It does
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I think what happening here is
their source is destroyed and not return to the pledge but only their order is preserved
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in next scene when arcana was consuming their order ,in accordance to selection trial the preserved order is restoring their source for her to consume.
I will also check the raws of LN if there's any mistake
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it would also make sense to take a gods order through their source as order themself aren't perceivable thing.

"The visible parts haven't changed much. So, what could have been altered?"
The student in white once again furrows his brow in thought.
"What if it's not the visible parts?"
"...Could it be that the invisible parts have changed?"
"Yes, yes, yes! You're getting closer. The invisible parts, that is. So?"
"Um... order, perhaps?"
The Conflagration King grins.
“Order! Correct, absolutely correct! What shifted most drastically through the world’s reincarnation was its laws—the logic of this world, the force the gods called ‘Order.’ Now then… how has Order changed?”
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ROZAN-U said:
their source is destroyed and not return to the pledge but only their order is preserved
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No, its heavily implied that the Gods were sealed first which allowed their order to be maintained. You can't seal something that doesn't exist so their sources must be restored by then, not the other way around.
ROZAN-U said:
in next scene when arcana was consuming their order ,in accordance to selection trial the preserved order is restoring their source for her to consume.
I will also check the raws of LN if there's any mistake
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I assumed the flames indicated that their sources were restored and sealed inside the ring, it lines up with Anos sensing their magic only after they were unsealed and to be consumed.
 
Glis said:
No, its heavily implied that the Gods were sealed first which allowed their order to be maintained. You can't seal something that doesn't exist so their sources must be restored by then, not the other way around.

I assumed the flames indicated that their sources were restored and sealed inside the ring, it lines up with Anos sensing their magic only after they were unsealed and to be consumed.
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from my understanding:
those flame represent the pact between the god and the proxy, and by sealing gods what it is doing is preventing them from resurrecting until trial ends ,there would be no need for them to resurrect if they existed in the jewel,their source may not exist but their order does and also the reason why anos would detect magic after they were unsealed to be consumed in accordance to rule of selection trial, cause there would be no reason for anos to not sense their magic inside the jewel with magic eyes as good as his.
and also order of balance needing to maintain those order in absence of the gods.
 
ROZAN-U said:
from my understanding:
those flame represent the pact between the god and the proxy,
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Not when it was outright shown that the flames represent both the pact and the sources of God themselves
ROZAN-U said:
and by sealing
gods what it is doing is preventing them from resurrecting until trial ends ,there would be no need for them to resurrect if they existed in the jewel,
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Something that only holds value on "defeated" Gods. They are only kept inside the jewel as a penalty of being destroyed and needing the jewel's pact to restore them.
ROZAN-U said:
their source may not exist but their order does
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There wouldn't be any need to restore the God's sources if the pact could simply maintain order by its own. It's not hard to think that the ring restores a God's source as a way to maintain order, instead of protecting the very order itself.
ROZAN-U said:
and also the reason why anos would detect magic after they were unsealed to be consumed in accordance to rule of selection trial, cause there would be no reason for anos to not sense their magic inside the jewel with magic eyes as good as his.
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Well scratch that. I'm now leaning more on the idea that Anos saw the sources of Gods inside the ring, which would be more consistent to his following deduction about the mechanism of pledge jewel. Since, order being maintained despite the absence of a God would surely pick Anos' curiousity and yet, seeing the flames lit up he immediately understood that Gods are sealed and order is maintained as a by product.
ROZAN-U said:
and also order of balance needing to maintain those order in absence of the gods.
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That's even less likely to happen. Order of balance only maintains balance, it has no power to fill in for the complete absence of an Order's God.
 
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