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"Check this out, I'm not just Tier 5, I'm Tier 4!" | Way Big Upgrade (Ben 10)

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Currently, we scale Way Big above all of Ben's aliens (by the times of OS) using this statement from a guide book, but there's a problem with that.

This statement comes from a guide book that was launched during Ultimate Alien, and although we see Kid Way Big in the scan, the phrase is clearly referring to his Teenself, since it mentions his ability to shoot energy beams, something that Ben learned until UAF.
With that in mind, and the scan already sprroved, we can scale Way Big above all of Ben's aliens by the time of UAF.


What does that mean?

In that same guide, we see other aliens that can be scaled below Way Big, the most important one being Eatle, having his self page to clarity his powers, abilities and planet.
So, this guide book, has prior knowledge on Eatle, but even then stills puts Way Big above all of Ben's catalogue, classifying him as "Ben's most powerful transformation", and since Eatle is Tier 4, this would make Way Big T4 too.

And as a support evidence: Malware was considered to be stronger than any other Mechamprphs, and that his ability of absorbing tech is the same "ability" as other Galvanic Mechamorphs, which means that Malware is at least as powerful as a Technology Enchanced Mechamprph.
And for reference, a Tech Enchanced Mechamprph (as Uograde) could fight against Otto, even when trying to not hurt the other vehicles


Who was able to tank blasts for a amped Eatle, something that has already been accepted


Which means that Malware in his Post-Second form is already stronger than any other Mechamprph.

And as everyone knows, Way Big was able to stomp, overpower and vaporize an even stronger Malware


So, we have the guide book and a Scaling Chain for evidence of Way Big Tier 4.

Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42, @Firestorm808
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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I checked Eatle's profile and it seems like his Tier 4 scaling comes from when he's absorbing stuff. Is there any indication that Waybig scales above an Amped up Absorbed Eatle?
 
I checked Eatle's profile and it seems like his Tier 4 scaling comes from when he's absorbing stuff. Is there any indication that Waybig scales above an Amped up Absorbed Eatle?
Eatle's absorption is different from Feedback or Chromastone, he doesn't amp relatively to other sources of energy or matter, he just needs to eat literally a chunk of rock and gets to Tier 4, so, it's not something that can't be considered as "it wasn't take in count', especially when the Guide book specifies that Eatle can do that, but even then, Way Big is considered the strongest.
 
Eatle's absorption is different from Feedback or Chromastone, he doesn't amp relatively to other sources of energy or matter, he just needs to eat literally a chunk of rock and gets to Tier 4, so, it's not something that can't be considered as "it wasn't take in count', especially when the Guide book specifies that Eatle can do that, but even then, Way Big is considered the strongest.
Ah, ok then. I guess the argument can be made then.
 
Though it doesn't make that much of a difference because Ultimate Kevin and everyone downscaling.
 
That'd be discussed in another thread, I'm not interested in that topic rn.
This is only for upgrading Way Big.
I don't think this would need "discussed" bc if this get accepted, the scaling chain will be changed to this:
  • Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 1.7538 Foe (High 4-C+) , possibly 1.2048 TeraFoe (4-B+)
  • Characters that scale to Ultimate Kevin scale to 2.923 Foe (High 4-C+), possibly 2.008 TeraFoe (4-B) due to Ultimate Kevin being composed of 1/10th of the combined power of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix at the time, including Way Big and every Ultimate Form used so far and also having 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's power.
  • Omniverse Kevin 11 is at least 17x Classic characters for his AP 0.49691 Foe (High 4-C+), possibly 341.36 TeraFoe (4-B) as he visually has the powers of at least seven combat-applicable Aliens. However he also has at least 19x Durability based on him having Ball Weevil and The Worst’s powers, 0.55537 Foe (High 4-C+), possibly 381.52 TeraFoe (4-B) and the scaling chain follows.
(You must add this in your CRT)
 
uh oh

Speaking in just a vacuum, I’m leaning towards agreeing. If this does get accepted though then we really need to have a discussion about this downscaling stuff (either in this thread or another one made immediately after).
Considering Humungousaur has a literal tier 4 feat, we can start the Scaling chain from there. Anyways we all will discuss it prior to tier 4 base cast thread.
 
Considering Humungousaur has a literal tier 4 feat, we can start the Scaling chain from there. Anyways we all will discuss it prior to tier 4 base cast thread.
Just higher into 4-A
Looma could beat a Ship armored Julie, Ship being upgraded with an arsenal of dangerous weapons including Galvan weaponry.
Rath, Fourarms and Humungousaur are comparable, if not superior, to her. Ultimate Humungousaur is 10 times stronger than base Humungousaur and Waybig could take on all the Ultimates at once. Consistent given how he can effortlessly tank Ascalon's attacks, despite Ser George stating to not be holding back.

We can honestly just scale all the aliens to tier 4 via a couple scaling chains. Eg, Exoskull could easily destroy Rook's truck, which could tank direct attacks from an amped Eatle and an upgraded Galvanic Mechamorph. Exoskull could also match an Upgrade and Clockword fusion, whom is comparable to Maltruant. Despite all this,
he still lost to Goop.
A lot of Ben's are simply comparable to Looma, directly or indirectly, so I wouldn't be surprised if Tier 4 Ben 10 starts spreading like wildfire.
 
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Btw not all Galvan weaponry is Tier 4, they just have some unknown tech that can take on the Highbreed fleet.

We can honestly just scale all the aliens to tier 4 via a couple scaling chains. Eg, Exoskull could easily destroy Rook's truck, which could tank direct attacks from an amped Eatle and an upgraded Galvanic Mechamorph. Exoskull could also match an Upgrade and Clockword fusion, whom is comparable to Maltruant.
I don’t remember Eatle having as much eaten against OTTO as he did against Lucubra Vilgax, and upgraded Clockwork isn’t exactly “comparable” to Maltruant, but both of them are close enough to where an argument for downscaling might work.

I still think it’s a bit too outlier-y, but at least it’s better than a contradicted multiplier statement.
 
I don’t remember Eatle having as much eaten against OTTO as he did against Lucubra Vilgax,
Actually, Ben just grabbed some dirt when fighting Vilgax, he didn't eat that much.

And even he said that eating metal / Kevin's car was "way better" (or more delicious, as be said) than just eating rocks, so, he would definitely AT LEAST scale to his fight against Lucubrax.

And Ship is superior to Ben's absorption, and he absorbed more and better tech than Ben did against someone who Eatle was unable to scratch.

I'm not one sided to any interprétation, since this thread was just made for Way Big. But I'm just clarifying things.
 
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