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TBATE Revisions: Part 1

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Welcome to the first ever TBATE CRT. These sets of revisions would be divided into parts. This thread aims to revise the scaling for mid-god tiers in the verse with the use of new calculations/scaling information. Without further ado, let's get into it.

Main Calculations
Supporting Calculations
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Thunderclap Impulse (Speed)
Enhances reactions by several times (3x)
Cutting off these spiraling, unhelpful thoughts, I focused on the Scythe and her weapons, letting myself sink into the hyperfocused state required to effectively utilize Thunderclap Impulse.
Mana infused every synapse in my body. It sparked in my mind, enhancing both my thoughts and reactions by several times over.
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TBATE Chapter 391

High Yellow Mage 40% scaling (all stats)
Astera can fight evenly with 40% of Base Arthur
With a smile, I increased my mana output to forty percent. A thick wave of mana burst out of me as well, but it was different from Madam Astera’s. While her mana took the form of a sharp and chaotic gale, mine manifested as a refined wave-like pulse.
Madam Astera’s smile faded as she looked at me in awe. Then, shaking herself out of her daze, she molded her mana into a thick armor around her before lunging at me. The force of her initial step created a small crater beneath her feet, shaking the entire arena.
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TBATE Chapter 150

Aether Blade (Attack Potency)
A single Aether Blade contains the power of several aether attacks (3x)
She lowered her arms to her sides, and an aether blade appeared in her left hand. It was long, thin, and very slightly curved, its form startlingly clear without the degradation my own meager attempts yielded as I forced the aether into shape. The amount of energy contained within that single blade was enough to unleash several aetheric blasts.
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TBATE Chapter 360

Elderwood Guardian scaling (Attack Potency and Lifting Strength)
The gap between adventurer ranks widens the higher you go. From E rank to SS-Rank.
The gap between A rank and AA rank is 10x.
Gap between AA rank and S rank is >10x
The gap between S rank and SS rank is >>10x
So the gap between an AA rank and an SS rank is at least 100x
It would be a lie to say I was unsurprised, myself. An AA-class adventurer was a much higher level of strength than an A-class. As the class ranks increased, each jump was exponential. Moving from D-class to C-class was incomparable to what it took to advance from A-class to AA-class. At a rough estimate, being an AA-class adventurer signified that you had the strength of ten A-class adventurers
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TBATE Chapter 27

“It can’t be, right? What the hell would an S-class mana beast be doing here?” Reginald almost dropped his giant hammer as he peered up at the elderwood guardian in dread—and with good reason, too. An S-class mana beast would be on par with an SS-class adventurer, or at least ten S-class adventurers
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TBATE Chapter 32

Burst Strike (Strength)
This is basically him directing hundreds (at least 200x) of aether explosions in his body towards his fist
I stepped forward, utilizing the Burst Step technique to cross the distance between me and the creature in an instant. At the same time, aether flowed up my spine and through my shoulders, down my arms, and into my forearms, wrists, and knuckles. At each muscle and joint, the aether combusted in a perfectly timed burst, each driving my strike forward with an exponentially growing amount of speed and force.
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TBATE Volume 11 Chapter 9
Aether condensed in my muscles and joints, and Burst Step, powered by hundreds of precisely timed explosions of aether, carried me back across the room in a near-instant blink. Aether burst along my shoulders, biceps, elbow, forearm, and wrist, and shrouded my fist protectively, delivering an impossibly fast and powerful blow at the end of my step.
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TBATE Volume 11 Chapter 14

Tessia's Statement
Original statement was in plural. Meaning she scales to at least twice the value of this calc
I stared as Tessia stroked the pendant like it was a newborn. The elven princess was a powerful mage on the cusp of being a white core, a beast tamer capable of leveling mountains… yet, her narrow shoulders and her thin, pale arms seemed so delicate.
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TBATE Chapter 257
Attack Potency
  • Average Mana users scale to 0.799 Tons (8-C) from Kid Arthur’s feat
  • The 7-Cs such as the average Yellow Core mages downscale to 500 Kilotons from the weakest Low 7-Bs
  • The lowest Low 7-Bs such as Peak Yellow Core mages scale to 40% of Tessia’s statement (1 Megaton)
  • The highest Low 7-Bs scale to Tessia’s statement (2.5 Megatons)
  • The 7-As like Realmheart Arthur scale to 100x the weakest Low 7-Bs (100 Megatons)
  • The lowest 6-Cs downscale from Varay’s feat (4.3 Gigatons)
  • The middle 6-Cs scale to Varay’s feat (44.31 Gigatons)
  • The upper 6-Cs upscale to from Varay’s feat to baseline 6-C+ (52.15 Gigatons)
  • The High 6-Cs scale 10x above the uppers 6-Cs (521.5 Gigatons)
  • The Low 6-Bs scale 3x above the High 6-Cs (1.564 Teratons) via scaling to/above Arthur's Aether Blade
  • The 6-Bs scale to Sylvie's Durability (87.13 Teratons)
  • The lowest 6-As scale 10x above the 6-Bs (871.3 Teratons)
  • The highest 6-A's scale 3x above the lowest 6-As (2.61 Petatons)
  • The lowest High 6-As scale 200x above the lowest 6-As (174.26 Petatons)
  • The highest High 6-As scale 3x above the lowest High 6-As (522.78 Petatons)
Speed
  • Average Mana users scale to Grey's feat (Mach 3.34)
  • The lowest Sub-Rel characters downscale from middle Sub-Rel characters to baseline Sub-Rel (0.01c)
  • The highest Sub-Rel characters scale to 40% of Arthur's Feat (0.02072c)
  • The lowest Sub-Rel+ characters scale to Arthur's Feat (0.0518c)
  • The highest Sub-Rel+ characters scale 3x above the highest Sub-Rel characters (0.06216c)
  • The lowest Relativistic characters scale 3x above Arthur's Feat (0.1554c)
  • The highest Relativistic characters scale 3x above the lowest Relativistic characters (0.4662c)
  • The lowest FTL characters scale 3x above the highest Relativistic characters (1.4c)
  • The highest FTL characters scales 10x lower than the FTL+ characters (5.12c)
  • The FTL+ characters scale to Varay’s Feat (51.2c)
  • The MFTL characters scale 10x above Varay’s feat (512c)
  • The lowest MFTL+ characters scale to Arthur's Feat (5051000 c)
  • The highest MFTL+ characters scale 10x above Arthur's Feat (50510000 c)
Lifting Strength
  • The lowest mages scale to either unknown (conjurers) or Superhuman (augmenters)
  • The lowest Class T characters scale to 0.4x the highest Class T characters (2.09e14 N)
  • The highest Class T characters scale to Skard's feat (5.2e14 N)
  • The lowest Class P characters scale 100x the lowest Class T characters (2.09e16 N)
  • The middle Class P characters scale 10x the lower Class P characters (2.09e17 N)
  • The highest Class P characters scale 10x the highest Class P characters (2.09e18 N)
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See here for the sandbox of all the affected characters (the ones with profiles anyways)
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Testarossa002/TBATE Scaling Revision

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This will be the end of part 1 of the revisions
Big thanks to @SODAKU @Korf3ll and other supporters of the verse
 
I agree (wich is pretty obvious as i was going through it while this crt was being made) , still a bit iffy on burst strike but alas he didn't mention that they were miniature explosions so i guess it's fine
 
SODAKU said:
I agree (wich is pretty obvious as i was going through it while this crt was being made) , still a bit iffy on burst strike but alas he didn't mention that they were miniature explosions so i guess it's fine
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Which explosions?
 
Testarossa002 said:
Welcome to the first ever TBATE CRT. These sets of revisions would be divided into parts. This thread aims to revise the scaling for mid-god tiers in the verse with the use of new calculations/scaling information. Without further ado, let's get into it.

Thunderclap Impulse (Speed)
Enhances reactions by several times (3x)

TBATE Chapter 391

High Yellow Mage 40% scaling (all stats)
Astera can fight evenly with 40% of Base Arthur

TBATE Chapter 150

Aether Blade (Attack Potency)
A single Aether Blade contains the power of several aether attacks (3x)

TBATE Chapter 360

Elderwood Guardian scaling (Attack Potency and Lifting Strength)
The gap between adventurer ranks widens the higher you go. From E rank to SS-Rank.
The gap between A rank and AA rank is 10x.
Gap between AA rank and S rank is >10x
The gap between S rank and SS rank is >>10x
So the gap between an AA rank and an SS rank is at least 100x

TBATE Chapter 27


TBATE Chapter 32

Burst Strike (Strength)
This is basically him directing hundreds (at least 200x) of aether explosions in his body towards his fist

TBATE Volume 11 Chapter 9

TBATE Volume 11 Chapter 14

Tessia's Statement
Original statement was in plural. Meaning she scales to at least twice the value of this calc

TBATE Chapter 257

See here for the sandbox of all the affected characters (the ones with profiles anyways)
vsbattles.fandom.com

Testarossa002/TBATE Scaling Revision

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
This will be the end of part 1 of the revisions
Big thanks to @SODAKU @Korf3ll and other supporters of the verse
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W crt and upgrade
 
Nierre said:
damn I only got to the war arc before dropping it bc it was taking so long to update, forgot this series was still going. Arthur strong AF per usual. I'll check this out in a couple hours
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Ya, he gets pretty powerful in the novel. The manhwa is like 7 years behind the novel (not even joking).
 
Looks good, although I think you should add Realmheart in there as well since it is one of the most spoon fed, direct amp number given.
 
Uh, Realmheart doesn't have a quantified amp afaik
In fact, it's not really a power boost. It more like a control boost according to Myre (or Arthur. Don't really remember who said it)
I'll be glad if I see any evidence for the amp though
 
Nierre said:
damn I only got to the war arc before dropping it bc it was taking so long to update, forgot this series was still going. Arthur strong AF per usual. I'll check this out in a couple hours
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Yeah. The manhwa was on a long hiatus due to the previous artist leaving
It's back on regular schedule though
 
Testarossa002 said:
Uh, Realmheart doesn't have a quantified amp afaik
In fact, it's not really a power boost. It more like a control boost according to Myre (or Arthur. Don't really remember who said it)
I'll be glad if I see any evidence for the amp though
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It does, during his training with the other elders, Alanis was using a gadget to measure the speed at which it takes his mana from core to extremities.

She's using a gadget that can record time down to the hundredth of a second. The time it takes Arthur's mana manipulation, from core, to extremities is around 0.46 seconds, within base. Yet, when he goes into Realmheart, his body augmentation speed was too fast for the gadget to record, meaning it must be below that of a hundredth of a second. 0.46 / 0.01 = 46x difference.

To simplify how I got the number, if it originally takes someone 2 seconds to move a meter, then they get a speed amp, and that number changes to 1, they inherently increased their speed by a factor of 2. Same thing applies here, instead of it taking 0.46 seconds, it takes less than 0.01.
 
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Foriaa said:
It does, during his training during his training with the other elders, Alanis was using a gadget to measure the speed at which it takes his mana from core to extremities.

She's using a gadget that can record time down to the hundredth of a second. The time it takes Arthur's mana manipulation, from core, to extremities is around 0.46 seconds, within base. Yet, when he goes into Realmheart, his body augmentation speed was too fast for the gadget to record, meaning it must be below that of a hundredth of a second. 0.46 / 0.01 = 46x difference.

To simplify how I got the number, if it originally takes someone 2 seconds to move a meter, then they get a speed amp, and that number changes to 1, they inherently increased their speed by a factor of 2. Same thing applies here, instead of it taking 0.46 seconds, it takes less than 0.01.
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yeah I fully agree with this Realmheart should be added as well as base Arthur in higher core is surpassing lower core realmheart as we see with YC realmheart vs base silver core
 
Foriaa said:
It does, during his training during his training with the other elders, Alanis was using a gadget to measure the speed at which it takes his mana from core to extremities.

She's using a gadget that can record time down to the hundredth of a second. The time it takes Arthur's mana manipulation, from core, to extremities is around 0.46 seconds, within base. Yet, when he goes into Realmheart, his body augmentation speed was too fast for the gadget to record, meaning it must be below that of a hundredth of a second. 0.46 / 0.01 = 46x difference.

To simplify how I got the number, if it originally takes someone 2 seconds to move a meter, then they get a speed amp, and that number changes to 1, they inherently increased their speed by a factor of 2. Same thing applies here, instead of it taking 0.46 seconds, it takes less than 0.01.
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Like you mentioned, the gadget records how fast mana moves from the core to their mana veins (in order to augment). Realmheart increases the rate at which said mana moves. The effect on his actual speed doesn't need to be proportionate to the augmentation speed
I struggle to see a situation where Realmheart Arthur is 46x faster than the remaining lances (most are noted to have an augmenting timeframe of 0.46 seconds) Especially when he fought Varay shortly after this
Realmheart, in general, isn't necessarily a stat boost. He does get stronger/faster but that's a by product of his increased control over mana rather than an inherent trait of Realmheart
“The Realmheart Physique was so named by the ancestors of the Indrath clan because, in this state, the user’s attunement with the physical realm is said to be unparalleled. While the ability does not offer much strength in and of itself, the power to activate Realmheart allows the user to gain knowledge and insight which those without it can never hope to have,” Myre explained. “Which is to say that knowledge truly is power.”
I reflected back to when I had first used Realmheart against the elderwood guardian. I had assumed that the form was a just a power boost, allowing me to gain access to more mana, but from what Myre had just explained, it seemed using Realmheart actually just allowed me to utilize mana much more efficiently. “There is one thing I don’t quite understand. When I used the second phase—Realmheart—last time, I was only able to see four colors. Why am I now able to see the purple particles?”
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Something Alanis also took note of
Alanis only had to flip a single page in her notebook before answering. “General Arthur’s spell-casting efficiency, from the mental invocation stage to the physical shaping of elemental mana, increased nearly five-fold throughout all spectrums of elements, and…”
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Even ignoring all of my yap above, it won't fly via the wiki's multiplier standards. Multipliers need to be blatantly stated rather than being inferred from other things

Sorry for the yap
 
Testarossa002 said:
Like you mentioned, the gadget records how fast mana moves from the core to their mana veins (in order to augment). Realmheart increases the rate at which said mana moves. The effect on his actual speed doesn't need to be proportionate to the augmentation speed
I struggle to see a situation where Realmheart Arthur is 46x faster than the remaining lances (most are noted to have an augmenting timeframe of 0.46 seconds) Especially when he fought Varay shortly after this
Realmheart, in general, isn't necessarily a stat boost. He does get stronger/faster but that's a by product of his increased control over mana rather than an inherent trait of Realmheart

Something Alanis also took note of


Even ignoring all of my yap above, it won't fly via the wiki's multiplier standards. Multipliers need to be blatantly stated rather than being inferred from other things

Sorry for the yap
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That doesn't really attack much he verbatim see how he gets massive increase in stats and there is no contradiction of why he cann't be above most of the lances atp as for varay we know she's holding back and that statement doesn't include her as white core arthur is stated to be below her, but we could also apply 60x diff as of book 5 statement how from base YC arthur to virion is 20x and with relmheart arthur could fight 3 virion's, and finally for for your inherent stats amp it is cause how its stated it allows him to use mana at such crazy high extent which is why its an amp
 
Testarossa002 said:
Multipliers need to be blatantly stated rather than being inferred from other things
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I would respond to the other things you said above, but if we can't infer multipliers, even if it takes the most basic inference skills and critical thinking, then there's no point of me continuing. Do you mind linking where it say's that it is not allowed to infer multipliers, even with something this basic.
 
Foriaa said:
I would respond to the other things you said above, but if we can't infer multipliers, even if it takes the most basic inference skills and critical thinking, then there's no point of me continuing. Do you mind linking where it say's that it is not allowed to infer multipliers, even with something this basic.
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I don't see any probelm with infering multipliers specially when author gives us numerical values
 
Testarossa002 said:
Even ignoring all of my yap above, it won't fly via the wiki's multiplier standards. Multipliers need to be blatantly stated rather than being inferred from other things
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I mean, it seems like a straightforward multiplier to me, but we’ll likely need to wait for a staff member to review it. The author pretty much just provided numerical values in difference.
 
Klemen_&_Co said:
That doesn't really attack much he verbatim see how he gets massive increase in stats and there is no contradiction of why he cann't be above most of the lances atp as for varay we know she's holding back and that statement doesn't include her as white core arthur is stated to be below her, but we could also apply 60x diff as of book 5 statement how from base YC arthur to virion is 20x and with relmheart arthur could fight 3 virion's, and finally for for your inherent stats amp it is cause how its stated it allows him to use mana at such crazy high extent which is why its an amp
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1. Using Arthur's core level to other characters is a bad idea as Arthur is an outlier when it comes to core scaling. He already has his body buffed with Sylvia's will, and his past life skills take him well above those at his core level. Not to mention his quadra-elemental status. For example
1.1 As an orange core made, he can easily outperform and defeat veteran light yellow mages. 3 full stages above his core level.
1.2 Arthur at mid-silver is considered stronger than almost white core Tessia
I'm sure there are more examples but this should be enough for now.
Besides, I don't think the whole core scaling thing serves as a measure of stat difference between cores but that's another matter entirely
2. It's not a matter of him being above Mica or Bairon. It's about him being 46x their level. The difference between them has never been portrayed to be that massive. I sincerely doubt even Varay is >46x above them.
3. Like I said in the first response, the clock was measuring the speed at which they move mana from their core to their mana channels.
This is the augmenting process:
An augmenter’s prowess or talent is measured by the strength of the mana channels in their body, which measures the speed and efficiency of relocation of mana from their mana core into various parts of their bodies…
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It's not indicative of overall speed. They perform their speed feats after the augmenting process is completed.
Foriaa said:
I would respond to the other things you said above, but if we can't infer multipliers, even if it takes the most basic inference skills and critical thinking, then there's no point of me continuing. Do you mind linking where it say's that it is not allowed to infer multipliers, even with something this basic.
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It's not really straightforward but sure
From the Multipliers page:
Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.
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Note that I'm not arguing that Realmheart isn't a multiplier. It's just a multiplier for augmentation speed. Same way thunderclap Impulse is for reaction speed
LOTM_Historian said:
I mean, it seems like a straightforward multiplier to me, but we’ll likely need to wait for a staff member to review it. The author pretty much just provided numerical values in difference.
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Sure
Not really a fan of back and forths myself
 
I agree with pretty much everything expect, Elderwood Guardian scaling & Burst Strike (Strength).
 
Testarossa002 said:
1. Using Arthur's core level to other characters is a bad idea as Arthur is an outlier when it comes to core scaling. He already has his body buffed with Sylvia's will, and his past life skills take him well above those at his core level. Not to mention his quadra-elemental status. For example
1.1 As an orange core made, he can easily outperform and defeat veteran light yellow mages. 3 full stages above his core level.
1.2 Arthur at mid-silver is considered stronger than almost white core Tessia
I'm sure there are more examples but this should be enough for now.
Besides, I don't think the whole core scaling thing serves as a measure of stat difference between cores but that's another matter entirely
2. It's not a matter of him being above Mica or Bairon. It's about him being 46x their level. The difference between them has never been portrayed to be that massive. I sincerely doubt even Varay is >46x above them.
3. Like I said in the first response, the clock was measuring the speed at which they move mana from their core to their mana channels.
This is the augmenting process:

It's not indicative of overall speed. They perform their speed feats after the augmenting process is completed.

It's not really straightforward but sure
From the Multipliers page:

Note that I'm not arguing that Realmheart isn't a multiplier. It's just a multiplier for augmentation speed. Same way thunderclap Impulse is for reaction speed

Sure
Not really a fan of back and forths myself
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1. You're not tracking the argument I proposed
2. You literally have no argument against this there does not need to be some sort of confirmation for it to be the case when we already it is from prior knowledge
3. Yeah it's pretty disingenuous to argue that Realmheart only amps that and not actual combat speed or that it doesn't scale to it when Arthur clearly gets substantial increase as well as arguing it's inferior increase than TI
If you still disagree we can discuss it in VC on discord because I also don't feel like going back and forth on this thread, my tag is godkiller_20
 
Klemen_&_Co said:
1. You're not tracking the argument I proposed
2. You literally have no argument against this there does not need to be some sort of confirmation for it to be the case when we already it is from prior knowledge
3. Yeah it's pretty disingenuous to argue that Realmheart only amps that and not actual combat speed or that it doesn't scale to it when Arthur clearly gets substantial increase as well as arguing it's inferior increase than TI
If you still disagree we can discuss it in VC on discord because I also don't feel like going back and forth on this thread, my tag is godkiller_20
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Nope
I'll just leave it for staffs to judge
There are other things on the verse I need to work on
Plus I have major revisions for other verses I'm interested in
 
Testarossa002 said:
Nope
I'll just leave it for staffs to judge
There are other things on the verse I need to work on
Plus I have major revisions for other verses I'm interested in
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Sure whatever you want even tho I think it's very blatant of how Realmheart is significant amp
 
Sorry I've been really busy IRL

anyways after reading the thread i agree with everything
Foriaa said:
Attaching a higher with augmentation speed should be fine then. Once a admin looks at the thread, I'll open a CRT for why augmentation speed is ~ to physicals.
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when u make the thread send the link on my wall and ill take a look when i can too
 
We're good to go then
The revision would be applied on all current pages except Arthur and Tessia. They'll be undergoing profile splits soon
 
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