Requirements for 1C and 1B tiering?

[AlipheeseXIV]

Based off my current understanding 1C characters start at 6D iirc? With 4D characters being L1C, And 12D and above characters then being classified as 1B, etc I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong ofc, anyways. With that in mind, say a character transcends a 2A cosmology (I'll refer to this character as character x). Character x then sees a higher dimensional entity who transcends them and said 2A cosmology. What tier would this higher dimensional entity have? Because originally I had thought that this would only grant at most H1C but then I read this older post.

Now I'm not sure if it's outdated since I believe the wiki standards were updated earlier this year? Regardless I will link it here but still quote the main point in case people don't wanna click on it

"The Tiering System FAQ says the following: "However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions."
Later on, it says: "Therefore, such descriptors are to be evaluated while taking into account the number of dimensions which the verse has been shown to entertain; for example, a character stated to exist above physical dimensions in relation to a 4-dimensional cosmology would be Low 1-C with no further context." from this my understanding is that being superior to the concepts of space and time is enough for L1C (as long as it's 3 spatial+1 temporal dimension) there is also this quote here;

• Characters who embody or are a literal timeline / spacetime continuum (The entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) on a universal scale can also be considered for Higher-Dimensional Existence (4-D). However, simply being called a universe does not count without proper evidence of the entirety of the past, present and future of the timeline being mentioned.
  
  So with that out of the way from this it seems you can reach 4D without being above a 2A structure? Since it just has to be a universe with the entirety of the past, present and future timeline right? So assuming the 2A cosmology I mentioned earlier had a spacetime continuum for every universe within it and character x transcended said cosmology, only to be met with an even higher dimensional entity exactly what would the scaling for this be?

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Based off my current understanding 1C characters start at 6D iirc? With 4D characters being L1C, And 12D and above characters then being classified as 1B, etc I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong ofc, anyways. With that in mind, say a character transcends a 2A cosmology (I'll refer to this character as character x). Character x then sees a higher dimensional entity who transcends them and said 2A cosmology. What tier would this higher dimensional entity have? Because originally I had thought that this would only grant at most H1C but then I read this older post.

Now I'm not sure if it's outdated since I believe the wiki standards were updated earlier this year? Regardless I will link it here but still quote the main point in case people don't wanna click on it

"The Tiering System FAQ says the following: "However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions."
Later on, it says: "Therefore, such descriptors are to be evaluated while taking into account the number of dimensions which the verse has been shown to entertain; for example, a character stated to exist above physical dimensions in relation to a 4-dimensional cosmology would be Low 1-C with no further context." from this my understanding is that being superior to the concepts of space and time is enough for L1C (as long as it's 3 spatial+1 temporal dimension) there is also this quote here;

• Characters who embody or are a literal timeline / spacetime continuum (The entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) on a universal scale can also be considered for Higher-Dimensional Existence (4-D). However, simply being called a universe does not count without proper evidence of the entirety of the past, present and future of the timeline being mentioned.
  
  So with that out of the way from this it seems you can reach 4D without being above a 2A structure? Since it just has to be a universe with the entirety of the past, present and future timeline right? So assuming the 2A cosmology I mentioned earlier had a spacetime continuum for every universe within it and character x transcended said cosmology, only to be met with an even higher dimensional entity exactly what would the scaling for this be?

you have to prove you exist in higher plane of existence like a second temporal dimension or 5th spatial dimension

 

[Digital_Franz]

Based off my current understanding 1C characters start at 6D iirc?

Yes.

With 4D characters being L1C,

No. 5-D structures for Low 1-C and 4-D structures for tier 2.

And 12D and above characters then being classified as 1B, etc I believe?

Yeah.

Correct me if I'm wrong ofc, anyways. With that in mind, say a character transcends a 2A cosmology (I'll refer to this character as character x). Character x then sees a higher dimensional entity who transcends them and said 2A cosmology. What tier would this higher dimensional entity have? Because originally I had thought that this would only grant at most H1C but then I read this older post.

Transcend itself is a pretty vague word so it wouldn't give anything extraordinary to the characters without context.

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Now I'm not sure if it's outdated since I believe the wiki standards were updated earlier this year? Regardless I will link it here but still quote the main point in case people don't wanna click on it

"The Tiering System FAQ says the following: "However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions."
Later on, it says: "Therefore, such descriptors are to be evaluated while taking into account the number of dimensions which the verse has been shown to entertain; for example, a character stated to exist above physical dimensions in relation to a 4-dimensional cosmology would be Low 1-C with no further context." from this my understanding is that being superior to the concepts of space and time is enough for L1C (as long as it's 3 spatial+1 temporal dimension)

This is outdated, it was the old tiering system. Well here is what it currently stands for.

Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

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In the Tiering System FAQ there is also a section for this.

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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there is also this quote here;

• Characters who embody or are a literal timeline / spacetime continuum (The entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) on a universal scale can also be considered for Higher-Dimensional Existence (4-D). However, simply being called a universe does not count without proper evidence of the entirety of the past, present and future of the timeline being mentioned.

Yeah this is true. It's about Higher-Dimensional Existence.

• So with that out of the way from this it seems you can reach 4D without being above a 2A structure? Since it just has to be a universe with the entirety of the past, present and future timeline right? So assuming the 2A cosmology I mentioned earlier had a spacetime continuum for every universe within it and character x transcended said cosmology, only to be met with an even higher dimensional entity exactly what would the scaling for this be?

If you're talking about Low 1-C, then no. As I said, transcending in itself means nothing without context. There are also these cases:

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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[AlipheeseXIV]

you have to prove you exist in higher plane of existence like a second temporal dimension or 5th spatial dimension

Yeah I'm aware

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

No. 5-D structures for Low 1-C and 4-D structures for tier 2.

Oh alright

Transcend itself is a pretty vague word so it wouldn't give anything extraordinary to the characters without context.

Fair enough, by transcend I meant literal transcendence (as in they are higher dimensional) with that in mind what tier would they potentially have? (To not confuse you, both character x and the higher dimensional entity in my example have higher dimensionality than the 2A structure I used)

This is outdated, it was the old tiering system. Well here is what it currently stands for.

Got it, got it. So does having R>F transcendence automatically = having qualative superiority? If so, I can confirm that the higher dimensional being above character x in my earlier example has R>F transcendence what tier would that net?

Yeah this is true. It's about Higher-Dimensional Existence.

Okay, thought so. Thanks for confirming that

If you're talking about Low 1-C, then no. As I said, transcending in itself means nothing without context. There are also these cases:

Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Yeah I am aware, the higher dimensional beings realm I mentioned is not superior due to size. It's superior on a qualative level, I know structures above 2A are not L1C by default

 

[Digital_Franz]

Fair enough, by transcend I meant literal transcendence (as in they are higher dimensional) with that in mind what tier would they potentially have? (To not confuse you, both character x and the higher dimensional entity in my example have higher dimensionality than the 2A structure I used)

Usually, a character who transcends a 4-D structure does not necessarily have the Tier Low 1-C. Take Jin Mori for example with his Nirvana. To be sure of their levels you need more feats. The character would need to be able to affect the realm they reside in to scale to Tier 1.

Got it, got it. So does having R>F transcendence automatically = having qualative superiority?

If the character meets the requirements and has no anti feats then yes.

If so, I can confirm that the higher dimensional being above character x in my earlier example has R>F transcendence what tier would that net?

Not really. It requires context and that the character does not have anti feats. You need to read the page to know how to handle your case.

Okay, thought so. Thanks for confirming that

No problem.

Yeah I am aware, the higher dimensional beings realm I mentioned is not superior due to size. It's superior on a qualative level, I know structures above 2A are not L1C by default

Hum qualitative would mean it is 1-A while it could be quantitative i.e. Low 1-C up to Low 1-A.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Usually, a character who transcends a 4-D structure does not necessarily have the Tier Low 1-C. Take Jin Mori for example with his Nirvana. To be sure of their levels you need more feats. The character would need to be able to affect the realm they reside in to scale to Tier 1.

Yeah ik, it's def heavily dependent on context (sorry for making it so vague, I just genuinely cba to send everything related to this verse rn) but alr, assuming they can affect the realm they reside in, it'd be tier 1 that makes sense.

If the character meets the requirements and has no anti feats then yes.

Alright, sounds good

Not really. It requires context and that the character does not have anti feats. You need to read the page to know how to handle your case.

Currently the character has absolutely 0 anti feats, their R>F transcendence so far has been 120% consistent for over the past 2+ years worth of lore, but given that it's an ongoing series obviously anything can happen. So it makes sense to be skeptical

Hum qualitative would mean it is 1-A while it could be quantitative i.e. Low 1-C up to Low 1-A.

From what I gathered when reading the standards, qualitative superiority refers to a literal state in which the quality of a construct and/or character is just irrefutably above anything below it regardless of it's theoretical quantity right? While quantitative hinders on the fact that you can increase the quantity of an infinity an infinite amount of times to grow in power or in this case dimensionality ig, do I have the general concept straight?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Currently the character has absolutely 0 anti feats, their R>F transcendence so far has been 120% consistent for over the past 2+ years worth of lore, but given that it's an ongoing series obviously anything can happen. So it makes sense to be skeptical

Alright.

From what I gathered when reading the standards, qualitative superiority refers to a literal state in which the quality of a construct and/or character is just irrefutably above anything below it regardless of it's theoretical quantity right? While quantitative hinders on the fact that you can increase the quantity of an infinity an infinite amount of times to grow in power or in this case dimensionality ig, do I have the general concept straight?

Yeah pretty much.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah pretty much.

Alright good, thanks for helping me and answering my questions

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Based off my current understanding 1C characters start at 6D iirc?

Yes

With 4D characters being L1C,

5D characters, not 4D.

And 12D and above characters then being classified as 1B, etc I believe?

Yep

With that in mind, say a character transcends a 2A cosmology (I'll refer to this character as character x). Character x then sees a higher dimensional entity who transcends them and said 2A cosmology. What tier would this higher dimensional entity have?

Depends on what you mean by transcend in the first haIf. If you mean being higher-dimensionaI, then character X wouId be 5D, and the even higher dimensionaI entity that is higher-dimensionaI with respect to X wouId be 6D, I suppose.
Tho if by transcend you mean something eIse, then the end-resuIt is just 5D.

Now I'm not sure if it's outdated since I believe the wiki standards were updated earlier this year? Regardless I will link it here but still quote the main point in case people don't wanna click on it

"The Tiering System FAQ says the following: "However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions."

This is very oId, since something Iikea higher reaIity is 1-A now. But the current equivaIent of Iow 1-C wouId just be a higher-dimensionaI space above 4D.

Later on, it says: "Therefore, such descriptors are to be evaluated while taking into account the number of dimensions which the verse has been shown to entertain; for example, a character stated to exist above physical dimensions in relation to a 4-dimensional cosmology would be Low 1-C with no further context." from this my understanding is that being superior to the concepts of space and time is enough for L1C (as long as it's 3 spatial+1 temporal dimension)

Yeah, this is wrong and oId too. Depending on the type of superiority, someone who transcends the concept of space and time, as Iong as said concepts are not impIied to be Iimited to a specific set of dimensions directIy, wouId be Iow 1-A to 1-A.

there is also this quote here;

• Characters who embody or are a literal timeline / spacetime continuum (The entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) on a universal scale can also be considered for Higher-Dimensional Existence (4-D). However, simply being called a universe does not count without proper evidence of the entirety of the past, present and future of the timeline being mentioned.

Is pretty much the same even now.

• 
  So with that out of the way from this it seems you can reach 4D without being above a 2A structure? Since it just has to be a universe with the entirety of the past, present and future timeline right?

Yes. Even a singIe Iow 2-C Space-time as a whoIe is 4D. 2-A is more so Infinite 4-D instead. However, regardIess of which one it is, if there is a higher-dimensionaI thing that is higher with respect to any 4D structure, it wiII naturaIIy be 5D.

• So assuming the 2A cosmology I mentioned earlier had a spacetime continuum for every universe within it

Thats naturaI and a base requirement for 2-A. Each universe in a 2-A cosmoIogy must be a space-time of its own. Notions Iike severaI universes within the same space-time, such as with Tegmark Type 1 MuItiverse theory, is just higher into 3-A or High 3-A depending on context.

• and character x transcended said cosmology, only to be met with an even higher dimensional entity exactly what would the scaling for this be?

Again, if transcend here means to be higher-dimensionaI with respect to that cosmoIogy, then this character wouId be 5D and the even higher-dimensionaI one be 6D, otherwise 4D and 5D respectiveIy.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Depends on what you mean by transcend in the first haIf. If you mean being higher-dimensionaI, then character X wouId be 5D, and the even higher dimensionaI entity that is higher-dimensionaI with respect to X wouId be 6D, I suppose.
Tho if by transcend you mean something eIse, then the end-resuIt is just 5D.

Got it

Yeah, this is wrong and oId too. Depending on the type of superiority, someone who transcends the concept of space and time, as Iong as said concepts are not impIied to be Iimited to a specific set of dimensions directIy, wouId be Iow 1-A to 1-A.

Oh really? Damn alright

Yes. Even a singIe Iow 2-C Space-time as a whoIe is 4D. 2-A is more so Infinite 4-D instead. However, regardIess of which one it is, if there is a higher-dimensionaI thing that is higher with respect to any 4D structure, it wiII naturaIIy be 5D.

Ah....alright that makes sense

Thats naturaI and a base requirement for 2-A. Each universe in a 2-A cosmoIogy must be a space-time of its own. Notions Iike severaI universes within the same space-time, such as with Tegmark Type 1 MuItiverse theory, is just higher into 3-A or High 3-A depending on context.

Okay so 2A is by default assumed to be this, got it

Again, if transcend here means to be higher-dimensionaI with respect to that cosmoIogy, then this character wouId be 5D and the even higher-dimensionaI one be 6D, otherwise 4D and 5D respectiveIy.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up man really helps

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Oh really? Damn alright

You shouId read the tiering system revisions tbh, they introduced a Iot of new ways to scaIe.

Okay so 2A is by default assumed to be this, got it

Assuming by 2-A, you mean an infinite amount of space-time continuums, yes.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up man really helps

No probIem

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You shouId read the tiering system revisions tbh, they introduced a Iot of new ways to scaIe.

Yeah I def will, would you be able to link that if you have the chance?

Assuming by 2-A, you mean an infinite amount of space-time continuums, yes.

Got it

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yeah I def will, would you be able to link that if you have the chance?

Sure. The 1-A stuff and the tier 0 stuff.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Sure. The 1-A stuff and the tier 0 stuff.

Thank you