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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Damage3245 said:
Personally I don't consider that an actual feat on Lille's part; it's not a controlled movement under his own power, it's just his fragments falling down to the ground.
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Brother that logic wouldn't work as you and I know very well just how ridiculously far the distance from Soul Palace to Seireitei is. Like consider Ichigo here who took hours to reach into Seireitei but somehow this "his fragments falling down" covered that same distance in ridiculously small portion of time in comparison to him.

That's obviously under his own power and it also goes consistent with two prior speed feats I mentioned. Now you believing it or not isn't much of my concern as I'm not really the one participating in upgrades for Bleach here on the wiki, I'm just giving ideas from my personal experience with the series. I like consistency for my part more often then naught and I feel like this could work out as well in relation to other feats we seen atm.
 
Hellscream said:
I remember some ppl unironically marrying inside of an MMORPG i played, they invited multiple guilds to their "marriage"
They did it in a church inside the game, with a priest and shit

Actually mental
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Hey, it could be worse. I remember a while ago that some Japanese guy legally (I think) got married to a cardboard cutout of himself.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Brother that logic wouldn't work as you and I know very well just how ridiculously far the distance from Soul Palace to Seireitei is. Like consider Ichigo here who took hours to reach into Seireitei but somehow this "his fragments falling down" covered that same distance in ridiculously small portion of time in comparison to him.

That's obviously under his own power and it also goes consistent with two prior speed feats I mentioned. Now you believing it or not isn't much of my concern as I'm not really the one participating in upgrades for Bleach here on the wiki, I'm just giving ideas from my personal experience with the series. I like consistency for my part more often then naught and I feel like this could work out as well in relation to other feats we seen atm.
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Didn’t the same happen with gerard? One could just say Ichigo only maintained a comfortable speed where the impact of landing wouldn’t bring him great harm

He was pretty chill and nonchalant during and after the whole process
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Didn’t the same happen with gerard? One could just say Ichigo only maintained a comfortable speed where the impact of landing wouldn’t bring him great harm

He was pretty chill and nonchalant during and after the whole process
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He probably wanted to preserve his energy. That's the most sane conclusion I can think off atm.

Like bro is even trying to play out with Askin right now when he can legit oneshot his ass on Tuesday. Ichigo just built like that. He holds back way too unnecessarily at points.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
He probably wanted to preserve his energy. That's the most sane conclusion I can think off atm.

Like bro is even trying to play out with Askin right now when he can legit oneshot his ass on Tuesday. Ichigo just built like that. He holds back way too unnecessarily at points.
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Aside Scaling I kinda don’t like that about this arc, this is a very important war and many things are at stake, I get that kubo wants to show off the nonchalant-ness but at least say something 😭, speak about your ideology, communicate your feelings, anything better than just shyly fighting four girls like he doesn’t know what to say
 
Adam1396 said:
1. It predates the creation.
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Soul King technically existed after creation, during the period of the Primordial World. You're seemingly talking about the current worlds within Bleach, and existing before them doesn't imply Soul King is conceptually independent from them, himself. His existence is fundamentally distinct from his title.

Adam1396 said:
2. It is unchangeable. Concept of old and new doesn’t apply to this. Change of it would just mean annihilation of cosmos including current casuality system, laws since it would detroy everything and return to primordial world.
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All of this just implies, at most, his title has instantiations of its existence being ontologically real. It doesn't imply said title is explicitly independent from the worlds it supports. You're presuming that if the realms are destroyed, Soul King's title would still have ontological power, and not just a normative description of himself. None of which has been proven.

Adam1396 said:
3. It is not dependant on realities, space time. It's the other way.
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You're just presuming this without due evidence. In the past, Soul King wasn't even called Soul King. His actual name is Adnyeus, and the title of Soul King came about after his dismemberment and crystallization. We have no reason to believe that Soul King; the title alone, is ontologically independent from Space and Time like a Platonic idea is. In actuality, it's seemingly the opposite, as it came about after the aforementioned ritual and creation of the world.

Adam1396 said:
Existence of all of realities is literally dependent on this title.

But whatever
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It's dependent on the power derived from the title, not the title alone. If that was the case, anyone who was described as Soul King would be able to fulfill the position. We know this to not be the case, so there is an additional factor to account for. I don't disagree with you that Soul King, as a title, is conceptually true, that is instantiated by several sources. I argued such in your thread. I disagree that Soul King himself, as an entity, is conceptual. There is a distinction between the two.

If you're just arguing the title alone, I retract the "it isn't even conceptual" claim from my original post. I still disagree with it being a Type 1 Concept though, as explained above.
 
Deceived3596 said:
All of this just implies, at most, his title has instantiations of its existence being ontologically real. It doesn't imply said title is explicitly independent from the worlds it supports. You're presuming that if the realms are destroyed, Soul King's title would still have ontological power, and not just a normative description of himself. None of which has been proven.
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It does not have to say explicitly, in fact what dies bleach even say explicitly!!

It's stated if there is no soul king, world will return to previous form. That's not the case if everything just gets destroyed.
Deceived3596 said:
You're just presuming this without due evidence. In the past, Soul King wasn't even called Soul King. His actual name is Adnyeus, and the title of Soul King came about after his dismemberment and crystallization. We have no reason to believe that Soul King; the title alone, is ontologically independent from Space and Time like a Platonic idea is. In actuality, it's seemingly the opposite, as it came about after the aforementioned ritual and creation of the world.
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Yes. Then it might be true for adonyeus
Deceived3596 said:
If you're just arguing the title alone, I retract the "it isn't even conceptual" claim from my original post. I still disagree with it being a Type 1 Concept though, as explained above.
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Yes. I am only arguing about the title itself.
 
USklaverei said:
But that's not how it works, the attack was literally in front of her and spread everywhere, she could see her attacks coming, but she didn't have enough speed to avoid point-blank range.
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I still think you're wrong. Just because the attack was in front of her doesn't mean she had no chance to avoid it. Nanao is fast, and she has quick reflexes to keep up with Shunsui himself. If she really saw the attack coming, she should've been able to react in time, even at close range. The fact that she got hit suggests she either didn’t perceive it properly or didn’t react quickly enough. It's not just about seeing it—it's about timing.
 
Shunsui can be made a case to scale, since he had time to go into the shadow so react it, nanao doesnt really have any feats at all she didnt even notice to get hit.

Shunsui is fine for me because due to databook stats in speed he was always > Gin for Kubo. I always scaled him higher.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Cour 3 was done so well it makes cour 1 look bad, the cour 4 wait is gonna suck 💔
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Cour 1 still has some of the best animation in episode 6 and 7 (still arguable for being the best of the TYBW so far even now), but yeah, Cour 3 really caught up to that level of quality, except over multiple episodes.

The wait for cour 4 is gonna make me go fucking feral.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Cour 1 still has some of the best animation in episode 6 and 7 (still arguable for being the best of the TYBW so far even now), but yeah, Cour 3 really caught up to that level of quality, except over multiple episodes.

The wait for cour 4 is gonna make me go fucking feral.
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Sure there's some sakuga moments in cour 1 but the overall art and atmosphere felt washed out, the coloring and lighting this time around was near perfect
and I don't like having better animation at the cost of making the character shapes inconsistent throughout the fights (yamamoto vs yhwach) a reason why kenpachi vs gremmy felt much better as everything was consistent.


the wait will give me enough time to do a full series reread including novels and movies so I'm not too bothered by it
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Sure there's some sakuga moments in cour 1 but the overall art and atmosphere felt washed out
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I kinda liked the atmosphere of Cour 1, it added to the darkness of it. But to each their own.
Ghostimuscrime said:
the coloring and lighting this time around was near perfect
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Far better than Cour 2's, although it isn't as bad as people claim.
Ghostimuscrime said:
and I don't like having better animation at the cost of making the character shapes inconsistent throughout the fights (yamamoto vs yhwach) a reason why kenpachi vs gremmy felt much better as everything was consistent.
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Idk if it's just my own thing but I personally didn't mind (Then again I'm a fan of Bones and Post-Wano style animation so I may not have the best say). At least those were fixed in the Blu Ray (Which I also plan to get for christmas)
Ghostimuscrime said:
the wait will give me enough time to do a full series reread including novels and movies so I'm not too bothered by it
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It'll give me time for a rewatch of the original series too. I do feel like I'm missing out on CFYOW, but SAFWY's gonna be a ***** to find a translation.

Also the Irazusando scenes are vastly underrated. They were visually stunning, looked like I was genuinely watching Ufotable, and I'm not half-joking.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Cour 1 still has some of the best animation in episode 6 and 7 (still arguable for being the best of the TYBW so far even now), but yeah, Cour 3 really caught up to that level of quality, except over multiple episodes.

The wait for cour 4 is gonna make me go fucking feral.
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Lowkey I'm kinda disappointed how cour 1 still stood as the peak of animation. Whereas cour 3 may be more better animation wise when it comes to consistency, it still haven't peaked like how cour 1 did.

But Friend episode have some hope and seems to be grand finale we all waited for.
 
AppleLord said:
I still think you're wrong. Just because the attack was in front of her doesn't mean she had no chance to avoid it. Nanao is fast, and she has quick reflexes to keep up with Shunsui himself. If she really saw the attack coming, she should've been able to react in time, even at close range. The fact that she got hit suggests she either didn’t perceive it properly or didn’t react quickly enough. It's not just about seeing it—it's about timing.
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But that's another matter, the thing here is that she was able to see the beams of light, but she couldn't dodge them. Anyway, we'll discuss that later, so let's leave it there.
 
I feel like azashiro can def be a good addition if they give prep time to fuse with as much stuff as possible, he is def taking down some ritters and can be a bit hard to deal with without knowledge, but saying that yhwach and all the ritters would run away is just crazy wank
 
Remember it was I who said it first! "Uryu vs Ichigo round 2 will be the finale of Cour 3." - I said this months ago.
 
USklaverei said:
But that's another matter, the thing here is that she was able to see the beams of light, but she couldn't dodge them. Anyway, we'll discuss that later, so let's leave it there.
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You can see beams of light reflecting if you go outside to touch grass.
 

So uh, yeah. Something big's getting cooked up at the end of the cour. The episode adapts all of the Friend Saga so there's a fuckton of space left over for the finale. Honestly not sure what they're gonna have since it's very unlikely that they'll start the cour 4 fights, so there might be something huge and anime original happening at the end. All in all, this is gonna get interesting.
 
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