Marvel VS Capcom: Why does nobody scale to Phoenix?

[StoneKillerz12]

I've looked over the entire verse page multiple times and have tried to find any reason why Phoenix is astronomically more powerful than the entire rest of the cast including Galcatus. I have found none. Our profile for Jean even states this:

Could aid in the battle against Galactus and was even capable of defeating him.[2][3]

This is the exact same reasoning we use to scale literally all other High 5-A characters in the verse to Galactus. At no point is there ever any implication or mechanic in MvC that puts Phoenix astronomically above every single other character in the entire roster, let alone has any sort of mechanic that lets her one-shot Galactus or anything.

The sections of the text I bolded and underlined are explicit implications that Phoenix is only helping in defeating Galactus. How would a Galaxy level character only be able to "aid" in the fight against a Brown Dwarf level character if the gap was that large?

Then there's this note at the end of her profile:

Note: Avoid scaling other characters to Phoenix through Onslaught. While Onslaught was stated to be superior to Thanos and Galactus,[7] the latter of which was confirmed to exist in the Marvel vs. Capcom continuity as far back as Marvel Super Heroes,[8] Jean had not yet become the Phoenix during this era. This is shown during X-Men: Children of the Atom, in which she is still Marvel Girl.[4]

This still doesn't give any reasoning as to why Phoenix is literally trillions upon quadrillions of times more powerful than every other character in the entire Marvel VS Capcom franchise with the exception of the Infinity Gauntlet and Ultron-Sigma. All it's saying is that "Don't scale characters to Phoenix because Onslaught defeated Jean Grey", it's not actually justifying why nobody scales to Phoenix apart from the fact Onslaught is not a valid reasoning for such.

 

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[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

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From the knowledge of MvC, Phoenix canonically holds back a crap ton as she's too afraid of using too much power and as a result slipping into letting Dark Phoenix take control. She even states she always has to keep herself in check in several win quotes, so she is without a doubt purposely handicapping herself.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

From the knowledge of MvC, Phoenix canonically holds back a crap ton as she's too afraid of using too much power and as a result slipping into letting Dark Phoenix take control. She even states she always has to keep herself in check in several win quotes, so she is without a doubt purposely handicapping herself.

What narrative reason would it there be for Jean to hold back against Galactus, though?

 

[LordTracer]

There’s an MvC discussion thread, why not ask there?

 

[Lonkitt]

This is extremely easy to answer. Phoenix has a 3-C feat (destroying galaxies) and no one else scales to her. Alongside that, Jean is known to hold back a ton and even silently wishes that characters will kill her at times due to her powers as well

This is the exact same reasoning we use to scale literally all other High 5-A characters in the verse to Galactus. At no point is there ever any implication or mechanic in MvC that puts Phoenix astronomically above every single other character in the entire roster, let alone has any sort of mechanic that lets her one-shot Galactus or anything.

The sections of the text I bolded and underlined are explicit implications that Phoenix is only helping in defeating Galactus. How would a Galaxy level character only be able to "aid" in the fight against a Brown Dwarf level character if the gap was that large?

In Jean's ending, she singlehandedly takes down Galactus. In fact, any ending where a character defeats Galactus makes it clear they themselves beat him alone. There's no set "canon" ending for MvC3/UMvC3, so while some endings may have a few characters in the fray, most of them paint Galactus as a pushover because he gets mollywhopped by one character (if you think this isn't true, just look at Wolverine for a handful of evidence. In one ending, he beats Galactus. In another, he's there to watch Jean beat Galactus. In ANOTHER ending, he isn't there at all, so X-23 beats the shit out of Galactus and drags him onto Logan's LAWN). Abyss and Ultron-Sigma are the only bosses where the combined might of the cast are confirmed as outright canonical requirements to beat them. As for Magneto, M. Bison, Apocalypse, Onslaught, and Galactus? Totally different story

This still doesn't give any reasoning as to why Phoenix is literally trillions upon quadrillions of times more powerful than every other character in the entire Marvel VS Capcom franchise with the exception of the Infinity Gauntlet and Ultron-Sigma. All it's saying is that "Don't scale characters to Phoenix because Onslaught defeated Jean Grey", it's not actually justifying why nobody scales to Phoenix apart from the fact Onslaught is not a valid reasoning for such.

Okay....so you're ignoring a lot here

A. Onslaught never defeated Jean Grey. Phoenix just wasn't an enemy that anyone fought at that point in the timeline. Ergo, Onslaught being the "most powerful enemy" up to that point doesn't scale above Phoenix
B. Again, quite literally no one has scaling to Phoenix. Really. We've searched through several different sources for applicable scaling and no one is stronger than her outside of special hax that reaches 2-C
C. The only time 3-C is really scaled to a character is Wesker with prep time, and even that was when he used said prep time to weaken certain Marvel heroes and gather them to turn into zombies

You seem to think everyone should scale to Phoenix, but you're blowing the "aid" part out of proportion. Galactus is truly just at the bottom of the High 5-A scaling chain due to many characters being able to defeat him on their lonesome, paired with the fact that Phoenix tends to hold back and somewhat just wants to die

There's a lot of context you're ignoring that's explicitly on her page, and on top of that, you're not bringing ANY evidence that people scale to Jean. Galactus definitely isn't the guy you wanna go with here either to justify that, bro's a pushover I'm drafting a High 5-A scaling chain revision so this gets even worse for Galactus