Kamijou Touma vs Regulus Corneas

[Phoenks]

In speed equal it is even worse because Regulus is only FTL with his Authority's attack speed. Touma would just get blitzed harder

 

[XDragnoir]

guys please get the FTL Othinus thing on Touma's speed section first
then we can actually debate this

or just equalize speed

It's not on his speed because it's not speed, it's a crazy good form of instinctive reactions (or in other words, as much as I hate to say this, it's literally sheer skill) that allow him to deal with faster shit than he could with his reaction/movement/combat speed.

In speed equal it is even worse because Regulus is only FTL with his Authority's attack speed. Touma would just get blitzed harder

?

Touma's precog won't get affected by the speed equalization in any meaningful way, the gap from his combat speed to his precog is massive, I've no doubt it's larger than Regulus' own gap from normal human to FTL.

Also, any quotes about how good his FTL attacks are? From their AOE to Danmaku or anything else.

 

[Phoenks]

Touma's precog won't get affected by the speed equalization in any meaningful way, the gap from his combat speed to his precog is massive, I've no doubt it's larger than Regulus' own gap from normal human to FTL.

I don't care about his "precog speed" that is irrelevant, even if it is as crazy as y'all r making it out to be. What matters is how fast he can react and dodge.

Being able to see the future doesn't mean anything if you can't act on it.

Touma is equalized all the way down to human level in speed. While Regulus still has access to FTL authority because it's separate from his physical combat speed.

All the stuff about his abilities is on the page.

 

[Zabazab]

Also, any quotes about how good his FTL attacks are? From their AOE to Danmaku or anything else.

The danmaku is essentially rain-like.

The more important feat is the fact that he could hit Reinhard with his breath, and trap him in an air pocket. Reinhard has similarly bullshit dodging feats:

• Analytical Prediction (He has a sixth sense which perceives danger in advance,[10] such as Regulus' invisible attacks. As the Sword Saint, like Theresia, he can predict his opponent's future attacks[5] from the stance they take, from where their eyes are trained, and from the very air that hangs above them, and can see, read, and feel paths of hostility raining down upon them.[5] The Sword Saint sees a floating white ray of battle, which they need only trace with their blade to unquestionably kill their opponent.[5] He is superior to Cecilus, who is constantly aware of everything in his surroundings, analyzing other's physical abilities, conduct, and sounds,[11] to always have a grasp the positions of everyone and everything nearby without having to pay attention to them. Far superior to Old Wilhelm, who can anticipate his opponents attacks by[12] watching the movements of their eyes, feeling their hostility, reading how they breathe as they aim. Unfathomably superior to Roswaal, who when faced with an invisible attack, cast out of sync with the caster's gaze and breathing, all with a feint attack added for good measure,[13] easily pinpointed and neutralized it. Unfathomably superior to Emilia who dodged a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters' intent.[14] Martial artists and warriors, as well as Magicians, can predict their opponent's next moves by intuition, experience, or reading the form of Mana[15])
• Instinctive Action (With the Divine Protection of First Sight, the Divine Protection of Second Sight, and the Divine Protection of Ambush, Reinhard instinctively understands how to react[32] so as to defend himself from attacks he is seeing for the very first time, has seen twice or more,[33] and surprise attacks. He can dodge deadly rain hidden as harmless raindrops by instinctive intuition.[34] He is vastly superior to Old Wilhelm, who has superhuman, god-like combat capabilities that make it possible to dodge[12] 30+ invisible arms— which even Julius, who can react to invisible attacks on instinct,[32] was unable to detect— just by reacting to the effect the arms had on the dirt in the air. He is vastly superior to Garfiel, who fights on a level where every action is immediate, with no delay between decision making and action,[35] with the slightest delay being exploited by the opponent.[35] Far superior to Taritta, who can reflexively subdue a person without thinking.[36] Unfathomably superior to Al, who can attack with sheer instinct[37])
• Acrobatics & Free Movement (Hypermobility, All-Terrain Movement, Self-Momentum, & Surface-Running; He has acrobatic techniques,[23] allowing him to weave through a barrage of water droplets and grains of dirt, with each projectile being deadly,[23] even in extreme close-quarters,[23] as well as run through a rainstorm while avoiding every raindrop.[49] With the Divine Protection of Lakes, he can walk on water[9] or sink as normal at will. With the Divine Protection of Clouds, he can walk on clouds. With the Divine Protection of Sandplay, his feet won't sink into sand.[33] Transcendents like himself can avoid deadly rain by instinctive intuition,[34] and he can avoid an unavoidable rain or mist of light.[50] He is superior to Cecilus, who as a child was able to; avoid numerous projectiles compared to[11] the raindrops in a storm or the grains in a sandstorm, with such precision that he could intentionally lead the projectiles to form[11] the shape of Tokyo Tower, maneuver through a collapsing building[51] while carrying another person, run on boiling magma,[52] use even a single grain of gravel, wood splinters, shards of glass, and even individual cinders of ash as a foothold[11] to leap off of, and run along a wall of ice[53] with ease)

 

[Huesito88]

I don't care about his "precog speed" that is irrelevant, even if it is as crazy as y'all r making it out to be. What matters is how fast he can react and dodge.

The crossbow is MFTL+ and Touma moves to null it with his hand.... (This is the problem with the profile)

 

[Felience1]

Being able to see the future doesn't mean anything if you can't act on it.

He is peak human during all of toaru and can still do those feats. He is not limited at all by that.

The danmaku is essentially rain-like.

The more important feat is the fact that he could hit Reinhard with his breath, and trap him in an air pocket. Reinhard has similarly bullshit dodging feats:

Can't trap Touma in a magical trap.

 

[Phoenks]

The crossbow is MFTL+ and Touma moves to null it with his hand.... (This is the problem with the profile)

We can't do anything about that on this thread.

Sounds awfully a lot like the re zero stuff that was rejected though. People dodging rainstorms and attacks like 200x faster through "skill."

But because such things are physically impossible they were not allowed to be taken at face value on the pages or brought up like this on threads.

Touma dodging MFTL+ danmaku while being subsonic/peak human speed is similar bullshit. Unless it's on the profile I'm not gonna make an argument with that in mind.

Feel free to just not engage with the thread and get it closed though

 

[Huesito88]

But because such things are physically impossible they were not allowed to be taken at face value on the pages or brought up like this on threads.

Feel free to just not engage with the thread and get it closed though

I agree with you (Toaru fans should do something about this)

 

[Zabazab]

Sounds awfully a lot like the re zero stuff that was rejected though. People dodging rainstorms and attacks like 200x faster through "skill."

Only the latter was rejected, dodging rain was not.

Can't trap Touma in a magical trap.

It's not magic, and I believe he'd need to touch it with his hand to null it, so he can't null the entire trap without getting blended. I was under the impression that Touma wasn't limited to just magic, but if he is then lol

 

[Felience1]

Only the latter was rejected, dodging rain was not.


It's not magic, and I believe he'd need to touch it with his hand to null it, so he can't null the entire trap without getting blended. I was under the impression that Touma wasn't limited to just magic, but if he is then lol

Anything supernatural. Depending on how it works it will null everything at once.

 

[ShadeyD]

The moment the time locked air hits his hand, it would stop it from being timelocked

 

[Phoenks]

The moment the time locked air hits his hand, it would stop it from being timelocked

Assuming it hits his hand first and that every other molecule of air is affected.

 

[Churronzon]

For dodging the crossbow, Touma had finished downloading Othinus after fighting her a billion times. We can't say it scales to his general fights with just anyone.

Unless we get a canon explanation for why Touma's reaction speed suddenly increased drastically (such as characters like Anna Sprengel getting stronger by amplifying their Will/willpower), reacting to the MFTL+ arrows should be considered an outlier. More recently in the story, Touma has gotten killed (and revived by Mary) and needed to be saved from slower stuff such as a water jet that turn into drops of water that can cut through solids when negated.

A huge explosion of orange sparks occurred a moment later.

The leaves floating in the air were all sliced through when the splashing droplets hit them.

If Kamijou had tried to block that with Imagine Breaker, the main water jet would have
exploded, drenching him. And if each drop could slice through solid objects, his entire
body would have been shredded.

Kamijou couldn’t tell what Good, Old Mary had done.

He only saw her slender fingers occasionally toy with the camping kitchen tools hanging
from her belt which looked vaguely weaponlike: the tea kettle, the gas burner, the
multitool, the sandwich toaster, etc.

Like some people suggested, if the feat is legit, people in favor of it should try to apply it in a CRT and add it as a note next to his precog, but I still don't see it being applicable in any random encounter.

 

[Huesito88]

Like some people suggested, if the feat is legit, people in favor of it should try to apply it in a CRT and add it as a note next to his precog, but I still don't see it being applicable in any random encounter.

Completely agreed (if only we could give a varies rating, but new rules prevent that unfortunately)

 

[XDragnoir]

For dodging the crossbow, Touma had finished downloading Othinus after fighting her a billion times. We can't say it scales to his general fights with just anyone.

He had literally never seen the crossbow before tho, so this doesn't mean as much as you're implying.

Unless we get a canon explanation for why Touma's reaction speed suddenly increased drastically (such as characters like Anna Sprengel getting stronger by amplifying their Will/willpower), reacting to the MFTL+ arrows should be considered an outlier. More recently in the story, Touma has gotten killed (and revived by Mary) and needed to be saved from slower stuff such as a water jet that turn into drops of water that can cut through solids when negated.

Touma has been dealing with lightning since volume 1 and several other things that are just as bullshit, him being hit by random stuff here and there doesn't suddenly erase his feats or mean he is unable to react to shit, that's barely even an anti-feat given, well, she saved him, it doesn't really say at any point he wouldn't have been able to block it (indeed, it says he would have blocked and then gotten shredded by it, so you're just wrong).

Also, both the water jet and the Trismegistus fight have something in common which you're ignoring completely, Touma's precog isn't perfect and its main flaw is that Touma's conscious decisions can lead him to a scenario where his precog can't save him. He consciously thought about how Tris' attacks would work and then got killed when he switched it, the water jet doesn't have much on his conscious decision but what would kill him there would be a side effect after he nulled the spell but it still shows his precog isn't perfect.

The fight with Othinus had this too as she was able to hit him when he went on the offensive, trying to take her out with one blow + she "killed" herself as well which is something he wasn't expecting consciously or unconsciously.

Like some people suggested, if the feat is legit, people in favor of it should try to apply it in a CRT and add it as a note next to his precog, but I still don't see it being applicable in any random encounter.

Not like we haven't tried once or twice in the past, but discussion about it never leads anywhere and the conclusion has always been to not add it to his speed.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Durability: At most Mountain level (Even without his Authority he was able to survive 53 consecutive attacks[16] from Emilia)

Yo. Was Regulus' 7-A durability mentioned yet? Which isn't actually from any hax, and is moreso Regulus' base durability? Ain't no way Touma can harm him even if IB bypasses Regulus' invincibility hax and his precog can deal with Regulus' FTL crud.

 

[BoastJr]

Thats weird lmao, yeah Touma isn't harming regulus. I don't think LS will do anything either so yeah...