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Kamijou Touma vs Regulus Corneas

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Having higher combat speed + precog is incredibly effective for dodging Regulus' basic attacks, but he can even produce unnoticeable attacks that hit the likes of Reinhard.
Suddenly, his legs stopped moving. No, they were kept from moving. Reinhard collapsed onto his knees, kneeling in place. His right leg split open, spilling forth copious amounts of blood.

“Were you hit!? What happened!?” Subaru cried out, and Reinhard frowned through his confusion.

Neither Subaru, observing from a distance, nor Reinhard, the party concerned, could discern what had happened. The solution came from the other fighter, giving a failing mark.

“With your inhuman eyesight and reactions, you were able to escape the bits of gravel and drops of water. But you’re too naive, aren’t you? If you truly want to confront me, prevent me from sighing. You can’t, can you? Just now, I sighed.”

“Even breaths…” –Volume 19, Chapter 1
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Touma has dodged attacks that surpass the concept of numbers and a MFTL crossbow that spawned from another dimension in front of him. I don't think that what i have seen from regulus is enough.
 
Felience1 said:
Touma has dodged attacks that surpass the concept of numbers and a MFTL crossbow that spawned from another dimension in front of him. I don't think that what i have seen from regulus is enough.
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The point is that he wouldn't recognize it as an attack. He'd easily predict any normal attack from Regulus, but his exhale hit Reinhard because there were no signs that it was an attack– and later when Reinhard's sixth sense became able to detect the danger of time-stopped air, Regulus could still trap Reinhard within an envelope of air.

Reinhard, alerted by this motion, tossed aside the scraps in his hands and made to leap backward at a wide angle―— just as he prepared to jump, his feet froze in place.

Reinhard’s superhuman intuition.

It informed him of dire, imminent threats to his self, and preemptively detecting incoming attacks. His keen instincts told him that he could not dodge to the rear. He immediately straightened and began to search for alternative routes.

“The air there, it has already been touched by me.” Due to the sharpening of his senses locking him into place, at that moment, Reinhard had been left unprepared.

His opponent had him trapped in an invisible yet present envelope. Reinhard’s judgment told him to slip by the force of evil’s side, but, in order to do so, he would be forced to make a defensive strike.
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Touma can't be trapped by that magic air anyways right? and he can predict things that spawn out of nowhere.
 
Touma's intuition is crazy as hell tho, he can predict and dodge arrow that overcame the restrictions of the 3rd dimension, in other words an arrow from higher dimension. Even he can detect electromagnetic energy waves from Misaka Mikoto's forcefield AIM.
 
This speed argument is weird, people are arguing Touma can deal with faster attacks because he dodged an MFTL projectile and that even though it’s not listed on his speed section it’s fine because it’s listed as a precognition feat… which is literally just admitting the feat is aim dodging and therefore isn’t worth that much against a guy who does everything FTL.


Regulus’ variety of immediately lethal ranged attacks means he wins speed equal and he wins speed unequal because he’s faster lol. Even if you think the arguments made so far for Touma’s precognition are airtight, it doesn’t really matter because if the travelling speeds are so different Regulus can just… keep moving away whenever Touma gets close and then keep throwing ranged attacks.
 
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Tago238 said:
This speed argument is weird, people are arguing Touma can deal with faster attacks because he dodged an MFTL projectile and that even though it’s not listed on his speed section it’s fine because it’s listed as a precognition feat… which is literally just admitting the feat is aim dodging and therefore isn’t worth that much against a guy who does everything FTL.


Regulus’ variety of immediately lethal ranged attacks means he wins speed equal and he wins speed unequal because he’s faster lol. Even if you think the arguments made so far for Touma’s precognition are airtight, it doesn’t really matter because if the travelling speeds are so different Regulus can just… keep moving away whenever Touma gets close and then keep throwing ranged attacks.
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Aim dodging a bolt that crosses the universe instantly? (it was not fired from anywhere just came from space i think) i don't think he can se that.
He can indeed keep going away though.
 
Felience1 said:
Aim dodging a bolt that crosses the universe instantly? (it was not fired from anywhere just came from space i think) i don't think he can se that.
He can indeed keep going away though.
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Well it was used as a precognition feat, so while he didn’t see where it was being fired from he knew where it would be fired in advance- which is really just aim dodging with less steps. In the same way that aim dodging doesn’t let you fight a guy who does everything at a particular speed, precognition that lets you dodge a projectile doesn’t either.
 
Tago238 said:
Well it was used as a precognition feat, so while he didn’t see where it was being fired from he knew where it would be fired in advance- which is really just aim dodging with less steps. In the same way that aim dodging doesn’t let you fight a guy who does everything at a particular speed, precognition that lets you dodge a projectile doesn’t either.
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Touma has punched before a lot of characters with faster speed. And Regulus attacks still can't hit him. I am not aware of how this will end in the long run but i don't think this fight is ending quickly. There is also Touma's social influencing, i don't know how effective will that be with him either.
 
Felience1 said:
Touma has punched before a lot of characters with faster speed. And Regulus attacks still can't hit him. I am not aware of how this will end in the long run but i don't think this fight is ending quickly. There is also Touma's social influencing, i don't know how effective will that be with him either.
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Touma has never fought someone FTL.

His precog notably can't track those who move their entire body at super speeds (that's why he can't do shit against Saints, for example) and is 99% of the time used to deal with projectiles (which have the MFTL+ feats).
 
I am not saying that. I am saying that he has fought people faster than him. Accelerator for example, or Alice or whatever.
 
XDragnoir said:
His precog notably can't track those who move their entire body at super speeds (that's why he can't do shit against Saints, for example) and is 99% of the time used to deal with projectiles (which have the MFTL+ feats).
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So he would be able to negate Regulus' attacks which consists entirely of projectiles?
 
Felience1 said:
I am not saying that. I am saying that he has fought people faster than him. Accelerator for example, or Alice or whatever.
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Yeah, but their fighting styles was suboptimal.

Accel only used his super speed to get closer and then went back to normal. Alice did pretty much the same, but she was definitely holding back at the end when they got into CQC.

ShadeyD said:
So he would be able to negate Regulus' attacks which consists entirely of projectiles?
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Yeah, Regulus' speed will only mean something when he applies the FTL speed to his entire body (no idea if he can do it, but that's the main requirement to brute force through Touma's precog).
 
Ok yeah I don't get why people are acting like the FTL attack speed matters much for Regulus when Touma apparantly has really good analytical precog. Touma even has higher combat speed (subsonic+ vs average human) which makes precoging even easier.

Frankly Regulus would probably just find it impossible to hit Touma if not for his feats of landing attacks (3, technically 4) on Reinhard, a guy who has way higher speed than Regulus or Touma and has absolutely insane analytical precog + dodging abilities as well.
 
Would Regulus even use his FTL speed to dodge Touma's attacks?
He mostly just stands there taking hits relying entirely on his authority
 
Lion's Heart doesn't improve Regulus' reactions so he can't use the speed to dodge or fight, he can only move in straight lines at FTL speed.
 
Regulus blitzes and one shots with his Authority.

FTL vs at max Sub-Rela+ reactions.

Regulus stuff is AoE, kilometers range, and ignores durability. Turns you into mist in an instant.

Not really debatable. Shouldn't have gone past 5 messages.
 
Phoenks said:
Regulus blitzes and one shots with his Authority.

FTL vs at max Sub-Rela+ reactions.

Regulus stuff is AoE, kilometers range, and ignores durability. Turns you into mist in an instant.

Not really debatable. Shouldn't have gone past 5 messages.
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It's because people are saying Touma has MFTL+ instinctive reactions via his feat of the crossbow attack, which it should really be in his speed section (if legit and not just aim dodging the attack like aiming dodging a gun) otherwise if feels nonsense in vs matches to see this. (I agree it shouldn't have)
 
because people who make Touma profile is shit

Huesito88 said:
It's because people are saying Touma has MFTL+ instinctive reactions via his feat of the crossbow attack, which it should really be in his speed section (if legit and not just aim dodging the attack like aiming dodging a gun) otherwise if feels nonsense in vs matches to see this. (I agree it shouldn't have)
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Anyway it isn't aim dodge, cause Othinus attacks come from across dimensions which of course is MFTL cause it flew from one side to other side of universe in...............i don't remember the exact timeframe, unless you argue that Touma can see thing across universe, and his precog is instinct-based precog, it is especially good against anything that is supernatural, and he not always dodge, sometime he dodge sometime he swing his right arm which is the IB to nullify the attacks
 
I'd also like to point out that some of the arrows that Touma dodged from Othinus utilize danmaku as well as her turning stars into spears of light that would be fired into Touma

Touma has also fought a similar opponent in Accelerator who like Regulus can accelerate normal objects like dust and wind into a deadly projectiles that would also have annihilated Touma's body if it weren't for his precognition .
 
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