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crazy ass statement
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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The speed difference also isn't that great.
Momoshiki is a threat to Kaguya but that doesn't mean he's necessarily faster than her. Kaguya still believed she can fight them with an army and Naruto still considered anything Kaguya related a major threat.
Momo is relative to Nard who is slower than Jigen but can still react to him.
Code is unquantifiably faster (maybe not faster at all). Hidari is still slow enough for Code to react to and while Hidari didn't use chidori, Code was in base and Karma should be at least a chidori level amp.
Kaguya ~< Momoshiki ~ Naruto < Jigen ~ Code ~ Hidari >~ Konohamarus reaction speed
The only actually provable major jump in speed is the Jigen > Naruto one
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Jura really is the greatest of all trees
Ghostimuscrime
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This panel is kinda insane
I can feel his horrific presence on her
What ability would this be?
This panel is kinda insane
I can feel his horrific presence on her
What ability would this be?
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like a form of cosmic awareness or summthin
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ESP/Cosmic Awareness or something along those lines.
Ghostimuscrime
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can prescience work similar to almighty?
Think about it? You want to launch bijuubombs at me, I behave differently than I would normally bringing in a different timeline where you don’t use that
How’d that play out
Think about it? You want to launch bijuubombs at me, I behave differently than I would normally bringing in a different timeline where you don’t use that
How’d that play out
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I mean it can.if the writer wants it too..but like theres nothing to suggest it can rn
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so my predictions are
we finally get Konohamaru vs Matsuri
Mitsuki/Sarada vs Ryu basically
we finally get Konohamaru vs Matsuri
Mitsuki/Sarada vs Ryu basically
MinatoSparkle
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Sarada's Chidori travel speed would be far superior to her combat speed
He also moved to intercept Hidari's attack on Boruto
I think a vague claim of being "essentially" immortal is insufficient to say he could survive being completely destroyed
I did say probably for a reason, I doubt he just has one defensive technique vastly above his offensive ones, but it remains to be seenKonohamaru also only has a defensive jutsu scaling to Jigen level, he's not killing Kaguya
Naruto~Fused Momoshiki>>Base Momoshiki (Fused Momo embarrassed the Kage who could keep up with him prior), and K2 Jigen did blitz Naruto and Sasuke at times
Could be a lot faster depending on how you take some statements
Why...?
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Sarada is not whipping out a chidori within a thought off the bat, be serious.
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none of the characters outside of Konohamaru have anything close enough to bypass juubito's regeneration with that big of an AOE, but thats also ignoring the obvious of Juubi jins being immune to Ninjutsu, so outside of mitsuki they cant even harm him with their ninjutsu
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Genuinely no reason to assume base Momoshiki would scale to Kaguyas speed. The duo being a threat to Kaguya only means their peak could potentially take her down which only scales fused Momo to Kaguya.
Like I said Naruto and Sasuke still considered anything Kaguya related a threat. Which would be kidna silly if each of the Gokage could match or outscale her and especially silly if they could individually speed blitz her.
There's also Kaguya thinking she can take on the duo with an army (which should lowkey put IT Kaguya above fused Momoshiki but whatevez) to support Momo can't just blitz her.
No statements we have implies a significant speed gap as far as I'm aware.
Especially not a perception blitz gap which generally almost never happens in Naruto.
Because Code dodged an attack from Hidari…?
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IIRC the quote is from Sasuke stating that Kaguya still needed an army despite her formidable power. Honestly, this statement in itself being pushed as justification for Kaguya still being relative to adult Naruto and Sasuke is a bit of a stretch.
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An army made of the worlds population isn't exactly something to snuff at either
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Storm 4 DLC lets you play as Kinshiki tho, so...
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Not what I'm referring to although that's also pretty notable.
Sasuke considered the sheer possibility that something greater than Kaguya exists enough to abandon his family for years, and when he got any evidence that could imply he's right he immediately called a gokage meeting. Meanwhile Naruto considered Sasuke simply thinking Kinshiki and Momoshiki being related to Kaguya more important than Kinshiki straight up going 1v1 with Sauce.
This ofc doesn't mean Kaguya is equal or superior to Nard and Sauce but it absolutely does imply she should be at least comparable. To scale the gokage to her would be like Hiruzen calling a 5 Kage summit because he's scared Zabuza might still be alive or something like that lmao
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Kaguya ~< Momoshiki pre-New Era < a later Momoshiki, possibly having at least 1 Chakra Fruit, with B/Gyuki and Naruto/Kurama's chakra < Fused Momoshiki < Full Power Naruto < Jigen ~< Code < Hidari > Konohamaru
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This is more so because a being of that magnitude is a massive threat to humanity in general, rather than a threat to themselves. They wouldn't want another Kaguya level being, much less something that threatened Kaguya, an established Planetary threat, to run rampant in the ninja world. That's why they did and said all that. It really doesn't say much for Kaguya's relativity to them, but more so their desperation to prevent another near-extinction event.
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I mean we can use the same logic with Kaguya. WA Kaguyas Juubi was made up of adult bijuu like 10x bigger than when Kaguya was preparing for Momoshiki. That just makes it impossible to compare them using any of Momoshikis and Kaguyas statements, which leaves us with Naruto and Sasuke still considered Kaguya and the concept of anything above Kaguya as threatening.
And the idea that WA Kaguya is either stronger than past Kaguya or Momoshiki just didn't grow much stronger is a lot more logical than the assumption that Darui and the rest of the kages jumped from a Suigetsu rivals to speed blitzing and one shotting Kaguya without any power ups.
Momoshiki also considered the 9 tails massive while half 9 tails considered incomplete WA Juubi immeasurable in comparison.
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A single bijuu is a significant threat to humanity since it can level entire villages in a single tailed beast bomb. Hell given that kid Temari can wipe out forests in one go even a group of kids could threaten hundreds of thousands of life's. And unlike Kaguya, their chakra wouldn't be sensed across countries even by non sensors. So this isn't really a good argument.
Hell if it's so easy to reach Kaguya levels of stats why would Sasuke even explore the dimensions searching for leads on possible Kaguya level threats? He'd be doing all that while some Suigetsu level dude does push ups for a decade, ends up surpassing Kaguya, and obliterates earth while Sasuke is searching different dimensions.
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None of the Kages are blitzing or oneshotting Kaguya lol
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Holding their own against a stronger opponent doesn't mean they can speedblitz Kaguya.
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If we're going with your assumption that Momoshiki got notably stronger by eating chakra fruits and pills while Kaguya remained at the same level then he should be unimaginably stronger than Kaguya
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I mean, if you want.If we're going with your assumption that Momoshiki got notably stronger by eating chakra fruits and pills while Kaguya remained at the same level then he should be unimaginably stronger than Kaguya
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Still crazy lava > durability
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Jura really is HIM
love the fact he respects konoha ethics
love the fact he respects konoha ethics
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He and Isshiki are hilarious
Ghostimuscrime
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you cookingIf we're going with your assumption that Momoshiki got notably stronger by eating chakra fruits and pills while Kaguya remained at the same level then he should be unimaginably stronger than Kaguya
Ghostimuscrime
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Jura is def inspired Kira from jojos
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MinatoSparkle
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Sure, but even if Kaguya BFRs, I'd still count Sarada killing her before starving eventually a W of sorts, especially since it'd be over a day
But seriously though, if Sarada's ninjutsu is beyond Jigen, she should absolutely be able to physically maul Juubito who's many tiers below that
There are also things individually implying Momoshiki is around her level, like the Otsutsuki ranking and him referring to individually punishing her, as well as him being portrayed as above Toneri who's above Kaguya. Can also use his superiority to Sakura who somewhat scales to Kaguya physically but that's kinda meh.
I think they'd individually lose, but there's nothing wrong with them being in the same league statwise.
Fused Momoshiki is a bigger threat than Momoshiki and Kinshiki as a duo, which is clear in their performance
If you interpret the ones of cyborgs greatly surpassing Jigen as applying to Code
I don't think it's a perception blitz gap but it's another step in the already huge difference
I mean why is Karma amp = Chidori amp
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Because they're both... polite?
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Boruto realizing he’s finished after Uzuhiko did not work;Jura when his opponent doesnt do the Seal of Reconciliation
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Ghostimuscrime
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The calm nature of them, they do as they please, they'll kill you if you get in their way but if you give the same respect back you are safe, which is basically the core of what made up kira, he was an incredibly productive and calculative man but one who lived by proper standards
