(SOLVED) When should we ignore a feat?

[H3110l12345I20]

I didn't make the time entire thread to read myself, but...


When should we ignore feats and not ignore them?

 

[GarrixianXD]

I personally think feats should never be ignored. Perhaps a feat could be false -- such as it taking place in someone's imagination, a noticeable outlier or plot-induced stupidity, then it can be discarded but it's different than ignoring it because you analysed it if it's legit or not; ignoring simply means disregarding it and not dealing with it at all.

Also, that Surfbone guy took Damage's comment out of context; I even came to watch a few of his videos once a few times before -- I can prolongedly rant about the many issues I found with his arguments but I'd rather not do it here.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I personally think feats should never be ignored. Perhaps a feat could be false -- such as it taking place in someone's imagination, a noticeable outlier or plot-induced stupidity, then it can be discarded but it's different than ignoring it because you analysed it if it's legit or not; ignoring simply means disregarding it and not dealing with it at all.

Also, that Surfbone guy took Damage's comment out of context; I even came to watch a few of his videos once a few times before -- I can prolongedly rant about the many issues I found with his arguments but I'd rather not do it here.

What did damage actually mean then? If I didn't make myself clear, I didn't read the entire thread he showed myself

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Always tbh

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Always tbh

Why? lol

 

[Huesito88]

Why? lol

Because Vs Debating is cringe ovo =P

 

[Homie890]

Hmmm,a tik tok video,makes sense,tik-tokers are more brain dead than a jellyfish.

 

[Random-Helper323]

It shouldn't be excluded unless it's strongly contradicted. The entire outlier idea on forums is a disaster for several reasons.

Firstly the way it's applied is entirely subjective and really only serves to allow for biased people to choose which feats they want to accept. Thankfully that is generally not done here because the staff are generally better than that.

Secondly it's based on real life statistics where outliers are occasionally excluded, but there's been a huge detail missed. Outlier results are only supposed to be excluded if they were the result of an error. Removing them simply because you don't like them or they're different is considered to be corrupting or censoring the data. Originally I think the outlier thing was done by forums to allow for biased stats and then was never changed later.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

It shouldn't be excluded unless it's strongly contradicted. The entire outlier idea on forums is a disaster for several reasons.

Firstly the way it's applied is entirely subjective and really only serves to allow for biased people to choose which feats they want to accept. Thankfully that is generally not done here because the staff are generally better than that.

Secondly it's based on real life statistics where outliers are occasionally excluded, but there's been a huge detail missed. Outlier results are only supposed to be excluded if they were the result of an error. Removing them simply because you don't like them or they're different is considered to be corrupting or censoring the data. Originally I think the outlier thing was done by forums to allow for biased stats and then was never changed later.

I mean, everyone is technically biased on some level, but debate should negate some of it.

Thank you for the reply!

 

[Hixkaryana]

What did damage actually mean then? If I didn't make myself clear, I didn't read the entire thread he showed myself

Damage meant that we (as in the whole community) sometimes willingly dismiss feats or hide them from the public eye so we can scale a character to a higher tier, avoiding outliers for example. He wasn’t necessarily talking about the administrators but simply how we all scale.

 

[StekFence]

I didn't make the time entire thread to read myself, but...


When should we ignore feats and not ignore them?

If the feat leads to a nonsensical conclusion, ignore it. If cell saga toei ssj goku was harmed by an elephant stepping on his hand, hypothetically of course, it does not mean elephants would slap up frieza, and or that Goku gets mogged by Mother Nature.

If a newly introduced character did it, and we can tell that he’s supposed to be strong, you can reasonably conclude that him harming Goku likely isn’t an outlier, unless there’s evidence otherwise. In which case you have to weigh them against each other.

 

[Random-Helper323]

There needs to be a distinction between an inconsistency and an outlier.

An inconsistency is a feat, usually a low end one or anti-feat, that makes no sense in the series due to clashing with established abilities, such as Thor getting knocked out by a bullet or Thanos being arrested by regular cops when we've seen those two withstand numerous attacks that could rend planets and stars. Other examples include Toei Goku being hurt by a rock when we've seen weaker characters survive planet wrecking hits, and Kratos struggling to lift doors when we've seen him toss the Collossus of Rhodes like a shot put.

An outlier is a feat, usually a high end one, that isn't contradicted by anything, but is very different from the rest of the character's showings. If I'm being honest, just about every feat can be called this using the same line of reasoning. Including clear cut ones like Frieza and Buu busting planets. Since they're so much higher than most blast showings in the verse. Typically the outlier rulings apply to feats that seem out of place compared to all else in the series, in particular if the feat is controversial and is the only one close to that level. Even the most extreme cases this should still warrant a "possibly" rating since excluding it entirely solely for being different is, as I said earlier, a corruption of the data.

 

[Chritin]

I didn't make the time entire thread to read myself, but...


When should we ignore feats and not ignore them?

Usually, when people say that others are "ignoring" feats, it usually comes from a disingenuousness or ignorance to the feat being applicable or not. For example, I do a lot of stuff with JoJo, and there is a metric crap ton of "feats" that are overblown and taken way out of context. For example, the Sun heating a portion of a desert, Ghiaccio alleging he can freeze raging seas, and Stone Free punching relativistic meteors are all feats that are either to vague to be calculated, don't scale to anyone in any meaningful way, or are just downright stupid.

It's very rare that there are actually feats in a story are accurately depicted and could be applied to characters, but are considered outliers for one reason or another. In those cases, having a discussion about the feat is important, and providing proper explanation as to why they wouldn't work.