Life Force: Wanda's retconning.

[Ayrandros]

Hello people, just sharing a thought. In Wanda's page she has a key labeled "When amplified by Life Force" as if Life Force is an external power, but it isn't. Life Force is just another aspect of her Chaos Magic, and even in the comics it has been stated multiple times it was just her power.

In Darkhold Omega Wanda called it her Her power when confronting Doom about it. And even when Doom has called it the past Life Force, he has also called Wanda's power as incomprehensible, so why he would know what is and what's not her power? And I thinks this just sits well, considering in her current comic and the solo she is going to have on June, she is going to face The Griever. The Griever sees Wanda as a threat of everything she represents because she is chaos, and she alone, is the power.

So all thing considered, shound't all be just one key?

 

[Excellence616]

No citation?

 

[Eseseso]

Excel is right that citations are needed, but this does seem to make sense.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Fine with everything.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

OK, I'm going to attempt to explain this.

The Life Force IS an outside amp, but it's part of Wanda's power as a Nexus being to be able to tap into and use these outside amps via her magic to supercharge her spells

It's a power she uses to tap into any other magical field, including Moses Magnum's, Galactus', and Moonglow's

It's why in Trial of Magneto, to fix the spell and establish a way to bring mutants back from beyond, she needed Proteus and Legion to combine their powers with her.

It's also why in AvX, she needed to combine her powers with Rachel Grey to reverse the first part of M-Day (so new mutants could be born again)

It's why she says in Uncanny Avengers vol 1 #2 that she'd need casting time and a power source to do it again.

It's why when she tried to revive the mutants of Genosha, she only brought them back as Zombies

It's why even after tapping into the Chaos Magic of Earth, she could only BFR Thor. She didn't have time to tap into a larger power source.

Now, as for the current Scarlet Witch, in context: SHE HAS THAT POWER. She has the living Darkhold now, which is on par with the Life Force. However, she can't use it willy-nilly or else bad things happen. Here's the author, Jed MacKay stating so:

"What's your sense of the power Wanda can tap into as "The Living Darkhold?" And just how costly is that power?

What I think is interesting about Wanda's power is that it's at an extreme level, but with it comes its own set of problems -- namely, control of it. The Dead doesn't try to metaphorically out-punch Wanda. That's a losing proposition. But challenging her control over that power is an angle that can bear more fruit."


To use a metaphor: Superman's powered by the Sun. Now imagine if you hooked Superman up to a Solar well where he could tap into any solar energy when he wanted, given enough time. Of course, we'd still count his default as him, but note he had the potential to tap into others and list feats done using those others. It's still his power, but it's one that comes from an outside source.

Or...OH! Think about Ms. Marvel as Binary. Turning into Binary is HER POWER and Her ability, but she needs a strong enough outside source to trigger those levels.

We saw this in Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, where her tapping into the Darkhold made her go beast and Wizard EXPLICTLY states that's the threat they mention later in the same book, the threat to all realities. Wanda herself confirms the threat, that she unleashed something from the Darkhold.

So it's less that the Life Force was her power all along and more that the Life Force hypercharged her powers.

Oh, also stated in Exiles vol 1 #71 that Wanda's powers were supercharged

 

[Yuuki158]

OK, I'm going to attempt to explain this.

The Life Force IS an outside amp, but it's part of Wanda's power as a Nexus being to be able to tap into and use these outside amps via her magic to supercharge her spells

It's a power she uses to tap into any other magical field, including Moses Magnum's, Galactus', and Moonglow's

It's why in Trial of Magneto, to fix the spell and establish a way to bring mutants back from beyond, she needed Proteus and Legion to combine their powers with her.

It's also why in AvX, she needed to combine her powers with Rachel Grey to reverse the first part of M-Day (so new mutants could be born again)

It's why she says in Uncanny Avengers vol 1 #2 that she'd need casting time and a power source to do it again.

It's why when she tried to revive the mutants of Genosha, she only brought them back as Zombies

It's why even after tapping into the Chaos Magic of Earth, she could only BFR Thor. She didn't have time to tap into a larger power source.

Now, as for the current Scarlet Witch, in context: SHE HAS THAT POWER. She has the living Darkhold now, which is on par with the Life Force. However, she can't use it willy-nilly or else bad things happen. Here's the author, Jed MacKay stating so:

"What's your sense of the power Wanda can tap into as "The Living Darkhold?" And just how costly is that power?

What I think is interesting about Wanda's power is that it's at an extreme level, but with it comes its own set of problems -- namely, control of it. The Dead doesn't try to metaphorically out-punch Wanda. That's a losing proposition. But challenging her control over that power is an angle that can bear more fruit."


To use a metaphor: Superman's powered by the Sun. Now imagine if you hooked Superman up to a Solar well where he could tap into any solar energy when he wanted, given enough time. Of course, we'd still count his default as him, but note he had the potential to tap into others and list feats done using those others. It's still his power, but it's one that comes from an outside source.

Or...OH! Think about Ms. Marvel as Binary. Turning into Binary is HER POWER and Her ability, but she needs a strong enough outside source to trigger those levels.

We saw this in Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, where her tapping into the Darkhold made her go beast and Wizard EXPLICTLY states that's the threat they mention later in the same book, the threat to all realities. Wanda herself confirms the threat, that she unleashed something from the Darkhold.

So it's less that the Life Force was her power all along and more that the Life Force hypercharged her powers.

Oh, also stated in Exiles vol 1 #71 that Wanda's powers were supercharged

Not super knowledgeable about Wanda's powers (specially because they are very granulated/retconned so it's a bit hard to follow) but is Wanda basically a powerful witch with the advantage of being able to tap into an near-limitless source of magic to amp herself ? Comparing the example that you used of Superman being an above average Kryptonian even under a yellow sun,but being able to be even stronger when sunbating.

I know that she has the whole "Chaos Magic" thing surrounding her for a more flavored character, but since comicbooks have a very soft-system in them it's a bit hard to believe that Reality Warping is something that completely separates her from the other mystic users since magic rules in comicbook are iffy and everyone essentially alter reality when using it by definition.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

it's a bit hard to believe that Reality Warping is something that completely separates her from the other mystic users since magic rules in comicbook and everyone essentially alter reality when using it by definition.

What separates Wanda from other magic users is her witchcraft heritage, physiology as a Nexus Being, and her status as a vessel for Chthon.

She comes from a long line of witches, with her mother Natalya previously holding the title of "Scarlet Witch" unbeknownst to her (but known to Agatha and other High-Tier witches).

She's also a "Nexus Being," which is basically a sort of living paradoxical being every alternate earth has. Nexus Beings are stated in recent comics to be agents of the Queen of Nevers implanted across the multiverse to use the probability manipulation she embodies to defy fate, time, causality, and the inevitable heat death that the Griever at the Ends of All Things embodies. As the name "Nexus" implies, Nexus Beings belong to all timelines across the multiverse, act as passive focal points of all magic in their native Universes, and basically have limited forms of probability/fate manipulation with infinite multiversal range.

Everyone knows the Chaos Magic aspect of Wanda's uniqueness as a sorceress, but yeah. The High Evolutionary kidnapped Wanda and Pietro as babies and experimented on them to transform them into artificial mutants. It just so happened that the site of this experimentation was a mountain used centuries ago to imprison the essence of the demon god Chthon, so Chthon used that opportunity to imbue his essence in Wanda and render her his vessel for true escape. Chthon is one of the Elder Gods of Earth, a race of super-gods spawned on Earth by an omnipotent being called the Demiurge Primordial. He's also the strongest of the Many-Angled Ones, a race of Eldritch demons inspired by the early Cthulhu Mythos writers who contributed to Marvel. Chthon is the first dark magician with his magical book the Darkhold encompassing all black magic spells in existence, and Wanda's chaos magic, which is a manifestation of her Chthonic ties, is one of Chthon's most potent magics.

Sorry for over-explaining lol. As for the OP, disagree now based on @AerrowStorm1's reasoning.

 

[Yuuki158]

What separates Wanda from other magic users is her witchcraft heritage, physiology as a Nexus Being, and her status as a vessel for Chthon.

She comes from a long line of witches, with her mother Natalya previously holding the title of "Scarlet Witch" unbeknownst to her (but known to Agatha and other High-Tier witches).

She's also a "Nexus Being," which is basically a sort of living paradoxical being every alternate earth has. Nexus Beings are stated in recent comics to be agents of the Queen of Nevers implanted across the multiverse to use the probability manipulation she embodies to defy fate, time, causality, and the inevitable heat death that the Griever at the Ends of All Things embodies. As the name "Nexus" implies, Nexus Beings belong to all timelines across the multiverse, act as passive focal points of all magic in their native Universes, and basically have limited forms of probability/fate manipulation with infinite multiversal range.

Everyone knows the Chaos Magic aspect of Wanda's uniqueness as a sorceress, but yeah. The High Evolutionary kidnapped Wanda and Pietro as babies and experimented on them to transform them into artificial mutants. It just so happened that the site of this experimentation was a mountain used centuries ago to imprison the essence of the demon god Chthon, so Chthon used that opportunity to imbue his essence in Wanda and render her his vessel for true escape. Chthon is one of the Elder Gods of Earth, a race of super-gods spawned on Earth by an omnipotent being called the Demiurge Primordial. He's also the strongest of the Many-Angled Ones, a race of Eldritch demons inspired by the early Cthulhu Mythos writers who contributed to Marvel. Chthon is the first dark magician with his magical book the Darkhold encompassing all black magic spells in existence, and Wanda's chaos magic, which is a manifestation of her Chthonic ties, is one of Chthon's most potent magics.

Sorry for over-explaining lol. As for the OP, disagree now based on @AerrowStorm1's reasoning.

Oh no don't apologize,ELI5 is exactly what i'm searching for.

I thought her Nexus Being ability gave her status as the node of mystical energy in the universe, not her probability altering powers (I assumed those were byproduct of her affinity towards Chaos Magic which apparently makes casting probability hexes easier ?)

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Oh no don't apologize,ELI5 is exactly what i'm searching for.

I thought her Nexus Being ability gave her status as the node of mystical energy in the universe, not her probability altering powers (I assumed those were byproduct of her affinity towards Chaos Magic which apparently makes casting probability hexes easier ?)

-It's the other way around, her proficiency at casting probability hexes is both due to her Chthonic ties and her status as a Nexus Being. Nexus Beings are agents of the Never Queen (abstract embodiment of possibility) who wield the power of possibility, and they're monitored by the Watchers and T.V.A. lest their subconscious influence over probabilities ends up wreaking havoc.

Anyways, OP is inactive and this CRT is mostly dead, so I'll try getting it closed if no one minds.