The ''Hero of Hell'' Pochita layered e.e!

[Shiedaisthepeak]

1 Layer Memory manipulaton based on e.e:

Let's start with this:

First, I need to explain Pochita's existence erasure.

Pochita's ability is to erase names, events, and everything that exists from memory ; no one can remember, know, or 'possess' the things he erases . .

So among the things he erases:

Makima, who has the power of control, has stated that she can no longer resist the existence erasures that have been going on for years and has started to forget.

TLDR:
In this case, since he was finally able to break Makima's resistance,he must have gained layer memory manipulation based on existence erasure (EE)

Agree: @GunshyFever @Protector_Hunk @Sasukesama0492 @Floxiaaa @Animus-sama
Disagree: @Chariot190
Neutral:

 

[GunshyFever]

That's resistance to Memory Manipulation, which is a sub-factor of Pochita's existence erasure. Makima already possess this on her profile.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

That's resistance to Memory Manipulation, which is a sub-factor of Pochita's existence erasure. Makima already possess this on her profile.

Memory manipulation, a branch of Pochita's ability, makima is slowly starting to forget it, she already has resistance and her resistance is surpassed by pochita's ability.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Bu, Pochita'nın varoluşunun silinmesinin bir alt faktörü olan Hafıza Manipülasyonuna karşı dirençtir. Makima bunu zaten profilinde bulunduruyor .

So,what is your opinion right now?

 

[GunshyFever]

Layered memory manip overtime is fine imo

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Layered memory manip overtime is fine imo

its based on e.e but thanks!

 

[Protector_Hunk]

İ agree

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Agree

 

[GunshyFever]

its based on e.e but thanks!

I know, I don't agree with E.E, I agree with layered Memory Manip overtime, and it's not really combat applicable since Makima can remember those erased concepts for entire years to pass.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Varlığın Silinmesi 1 Katman:

Kısaca şöyle başlayalım:

Öncelikle Pochita'nın varlığının silinmesini anlatmam gerekiyor .

Pochita'nın yeteneği isimleri, olayları ve hafızadan var olan her şeyi silmektir ; hiç kimse onun sildiği şeyleri hatırlayamaz, bilemez veya 'sahip olamaz' .

Yani sildiği şeylerin arasında:

Kontrol gücüne sahip olan Makima bile yıllardır devam eden varoluştan silinmelere artık direnemediğini ve unutmaya başladığını dile getiriyor.

TLDR:
Bu durumda Makima'nın direncini nihayet kırabildiğine göre, varoluş silinmesine karşı direnç (EE) kazanması gerekir.

Kabul etmek: @GunshyFever @Protector_Hunk
Aynı fikirde olmamak:
Doğal:

turkish?

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

turkish?

some issue happened,i fix this rn.

 

[Animus-sama]

agree

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

If it was the same memory effect that she was resisting for years before finally beginning to succumb

This isn't layered, it's just the limit of the resistance endurance


Unless you can prove his EE for more powerful that she couldn't resist anymore rather than her not simply being able to resist indefinitely

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Unless you can prove his EE for more powerful that she couldn't resist anymore rather than her not simply being able to resist indefinitely

No, this resistance was already indicated on the profile; my goal is for it to break through this resistance and gain a layer.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

If it was the same memory effect that she was resisting for years before finally beginning to succumb

It's not the same; previously, they could resist before control power was taken, but now, even though control power has been amplified,she can no longer resist

 

[Floxiaaa]

Seems fine for me. I agree

(GOME AMANI)

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

(GOME AMANI)

i alone am the frogged one!

 

[Chariot190]

But, she literally resisted it for years?

If Makima had memory res, and then Pochita made her forget. That's layered.

Pochita deleting a thing, and then her remembering, but overtime she forgets. That's on her now, it's res for her now, and only that.

The way this transpires makes this an ability for her, not layered for him. The very fact she has this resistance is because she could remember. If you make it layered for (over time) overcoming it, it becomes circular, where Pochita's memory manip is layered, above itself because that's where the res comes from to begin with.

You need to prove his shit got stronger, instead of Makina reaching her limit.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

If Makima had memory res, and then Pochita made her forget. That's layered.

Yes, you got it right; Pochita's memory MP layer works based on time, and because of this, Makima forgets the incident that happened. Thanks for taking a look

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

If Makima had memory res, and then Pochita made her forget. That's layered.

yes she already have this resistance on profile.

The way this transpires makes this an ability for her, not layered for him. The very fact she has this resistance is because she could remember. If you make it layered for (over time) overcoming it, it becomes circular, where Pochita's memory manip is layered, above itself because that's where the res comes from to begin with.

There is a logical error here; the logic is the opposite. The fact that Makima starts to forget after a long time is not proof of Makima's resistance but rather evidence that Pochita's ability takes effect over time. If we speak according to the profile, otherwise, a limit to Makima's resistance should be specified in the profile.

 

[Chariot190]

yes she already have this resistance on profile

Yeah BECAUSE of this

yes she already have this resistance on profile.

There is a logical error here; the logic is the opposite. The fact that Makima starts to forget after a long time is not proof of Makima's resistance but rather evidence that Pochita's ability takes effect over time. If we speak according to the profile, otherwise, a limit to Makima's resistance should be specified in the profile.

That isnt how we do things here.
Honestly the fact it took years is evidence against it being layered.

Youre arguing Pochita's hax is layered, above ITSELF mind you, because it took years to overcome Makima's resistance, which in and of itself, only exists because she was able to neg Pochita's memory hax for awhile.

This doesnt work, at all.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Honestly the fact it took years is evidence against it being layered.

it works by overtime

Youre arguing Pochita's hax is layered, above ITSELF mind you, because it took years to overcome Makima's resistance, which in and of itself, only exists because she was able to neg Pochita's memory hax for awhile.

I spoke based on Makima's profile.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Youre arguing Pochita's hax is layered, above ITSELF mind you, because it took years to overcome Makima's resistance, which in and of itself, only exists because she was able to neg Pochita's memory hax for awhile.

And in this case, wouldn’t it be limited?

 

[Chariot190]

it works by overtime

I spoke based on Makima's profile.

It is overtime, but that isnt a benefit for him, it's a weakness for her.

And in this case, wouldn’t it be limited?

No because youre literally scaling it, off itself.

Now if Makina has memory res for something BESIDES Pochita, itd be a boon for him.
But from what i know, it's literally just Makima being able to resist baseline memory manip for a few years.

This CRT doesnt work if the reason Makima has memory res, is due to this very feat.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

This CRT doesnt work if the reason Makima has memory res, is due to this very feat.

I understand; this makes sense.