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Ghost Rider hax additions - part 2

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A few more resistances:
Haxes:
 
Spider_Reds said:
Fate Manipulation & Probability Manipulation: Eventually escaped from Hell, even after Lucifer placed Johnny in a loop where he'd have the chance to escape Hell, only for him to end right back from the start, lowering his chances to the point that it was impossible for Johnny to ever leave.
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Why is this a resistance to fate and probability manipulation? The scans don't mention Lucifer manipulating fate

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The wording makes it look like he can't be kept in Hell only because of his ties to Zarathos, which means its only a resistance to Lucifer's hold over his soul

Transmutation feat can also be used as technology manipulation
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Why is this a resistance to fate and probability manipulation? The scans don't mention Lucifer manipulating fate
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It was never stated stated that Lucifer manipulated fate or probability to keep Johnny in Hell, but the reason I used this as evidence was that Lucifer ended up putting Johnny in a loop, every time he was going to escape, he kept getting restarted back where he wanted, even being proclaimed that Johnny was essentially told he would never get out of Hell, setting his fate that he'd be in Hell forever; at least that's how I see it.
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The wording makes it look like he can't be kept in Hell only because of his ties to Zarathos, which means its only a resistance to Lucifer's hold over his soul

Transmutation feat can also be used as technology manipulation
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Johnny made a deal with Lucifer, with a specific rule set in place that'd his soul be placed in Hell once he dies, but was claimed by Lucifer himself that a wrench was thrown in there and essentially ruin the set rules of the deal when adding an angel/wrath of god, Zarathos (meaning their spiritual ties to different afterlives essentially broke the deal, which potentially implies that The Ghost Rider has a way around Hell's own laws, which clearly has rules set by The Hell-Lords themselves). I'm sorry if my wording doesn't help again.

Idk about tech manip, as Peter described the change of the cop car to the demonic bandwagon as "ghastly", with the addition of horses, along with fire being surrounded across the entire thing, both of which were clearly not there when it was a simple cop car.
 
Yeah I'm uncertain about Fate/Probability resistance as well, but I agree with the rest.
 
Looks good except for Fate/Probability Manipulation.
 
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Advanced, possibly Layered? Purification (Type 2): Ghost Riders are immune to Hellstrom's exorcism because the Spirits of Vengeance are so attached to their hosts, despite Hellstrom's exorcism somewhat working on Johnny in the past (sending Zarathos back within Johnny's body, but not out); in a recent run of The Ghost Riders (Ghost Rider: Final Vengeance), Mephisto recalled Zarathos from Johnny, stripping him of his Ghost Rider form (as Mephisto still has ownership over Zarathos even after all this time); at the end of the run though, Johnny would make a deal with Mephisto which would bond Zarathos with him once again & making them impossible to be separated in the process, though having to work for Mephisto now.
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Looks good.

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  • More evidence for Power Nullification: Given Spirits of Vengeance's hellish & divine nature, they somehow survived getting hit by Anti-Demon rifles & Judas Missiles (missiles designed to kill angels).
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Should be ok, maybe with resistance to holy and unholy manipulation instead of powernulll. However, I require evidence that those bullets and missiles do what you claim, for it is not in the scans themselves.

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That's fine.

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Should be ok, maybe with a "limited" label, as it bound to specific conditions, i.e. the mechanics of hell and heaven. Also, this paragraph may use a clearer re-write.

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I'm with Hypertornado on this, instead of Fate and Probability hax on Lucifer's side, it may be spatial manipulation or something less exotic. Is there any indication of how he escaped from hell, eventually? That may be advanced dimensional travel, idk.

Spider_Reds said:
Power Nullification, Statistics Reduction & Purification (Type 2): Punched a demon out of the Hellcycle & Hellfire blasts drive Null out of his host. Hellfire has the ability to phase through a mystical barrier impenetrable to any known physical force, weaken magical enchantments, hold back magic, and break mystical bonds.
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Looks good, but I don't see the "hold back magic" bit, Robbie just rams a drakar onto Enchantress's face.

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These are ok.

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I'm not sure about these, in the first scans GR seems to be just punching away the crows around him. The second could be called Chaos manip or smth else, as ti seems to be of a more metaphysical nature, rather actual shockwaves moving the dimensions; also, it could use context on how the effect was achieved. I don't see this ability in the fights' scans either, just showings of AP.

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This is good, there's also a resistance to paralysis inducement in the Huntsman's scan. The paragraph needs to be rewritten in a correct way, though.

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all of this is ok, but it badly needs separation of each ability and a generla rewrite.

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I don't really interpret this as death manip hax, or at least it doesn't look like so. It seems he just got enough power to kill Blackheart.

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This is ok, but the last scan doesn't really tell me anything.

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Looks good as well, but the first scan doesn't show any teleportation.
 
Part 2 of me taking possession of other people's threads to finally bring them to an end. As previously done, I'm going to rework the OP according to my vision; what I said in previous posts on this thread's still valid. Things written in italic will be meant to be explanation/speeches outside what would be the normal ability description.

Second premise, I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell to what extent can Johnny tap into Zarathos's powers, either nowadays or in the previous decades, but in this thread I'm addressing as "Zarathos only" the abilities I'm seeing being showcased only by his unrestricted form.

Resistance to:

  • Purification: The first scan is already on the file, while I don't believe the second counts as resistance, for nothing tells us Daimon actively tried to expel the SoV and failed. Also, nowhere within Final Vengeance is stated that Johnny and Zarathos are now impossible to separate.
  • Durability Negation: Despite being often referred to as a kind of angel, he could not be killed by a weapon made of Judas Silver, a mystic metal meant to kill an angel such as Michael; this is due Ghost Rider's nature as a being of vengeance clashing against the kindred nature of the Judas Silver (Spirits of Vengeance Vol 1 #4 and 5)
  • Petrification: (Limited: Danny Ketch, a fellow Ghost Rider, was immune to Rigor Mortis's petrifying touch by virtue of both being mystical entities (Ghost Rider Annual Vol 1 1)
  • Unholy Manipulation: Due to the Spirit of Vengeance being a heavenly entity, Satan's demonic power could not bind Ghost Rider, and thus Johnny Blaze's soul, to Hell; so, he had to rely on deception to make him believe he was actually trapped (Ghost Rider Vol 6 18). I didn't count this as resistance to Law Manipulation because the scan itself explicits how the deal was made between Lucifer and Johnny, and that th SoV/GR presence was the element that broke the rules; moreover, the whole thing's more related to the mechanics of how hellish and heavenly abilities interact with each other, rather than raw resistance to a specific ability. This also confutes the following proposals of resistance to fate and probability; it is well explained in GR vol 6 #1 and 18 that Satan/Lucifer did use his powers to trick GR in a loop, but those were simply deceptions, for GR could have left at any time, he simply didn't know it and didn't believe it.
Abilities:
  • Purification (Type 2) and Fissionism: Physically separated the Servicer from the Hell Cycle after they had merged (Amazing Spider-Man Vol 2 660). His hellfire could drive a weakened Null out of Adam Henderson's body. (Ghost Rider Vol 2 71).
  • Power Nullification: His chains could break mystical bonds. (Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance Vol 1 18). The first scan was added in the last thread, the second's already on the file, while the third, if legit, would still be a cross-scaling to Robbie Reyes; even tho he was retconned into a real Ghost Rider, I wouldn't stretch things too much with the cross scaling.
  • Sealing: Used his chains to place a supernatural lock on a coffin he had made into a prison for Stern and Blackout (Ghost Rider Vol 3 25).
  • Illusion Creation and Empathic Manipulation: Zarathos only; Zarathos extensively tortured Spider-Man with powerful hallucinations and psychic attacks based on his past mistakes and sense of guilt in an attempt to break his resolve (Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 274). This was originally proposed as Transmutation, from the scene where Zarathos (who at that point had separated from Johnny Blaze) turns a car into a demonic cab, but the whole sequence is explicitly stated to be an illusion. Moreover, I didn't put any scan becuase it's basically half the issue, people should just go and read the comic themselves.
  • Electricity Manipulation: Alejandra Jones, who at the time had received Zarathos from Johnny Blaze, could summon lightnings and use them to destroy a monster (Ghost Rider Vol 7 6). The hellfire bolts showed in other scans are just other applications of fire manipulation, which at this point would become redundant.
  • Earth Manipulation: Zarathos only; Zarathos's control over the elements of the planet allowed him to manipulate the ground to trap and attack Ghost Rider (
  • Ghost Rider/Blaze vol 1 18)
  • Enhanced Senses: Sight: Ghost Riders such as Johnny Blaze and Danny Ketch can see things that would normally invisible to the naked eye, such as radioactive trails (Marvel Comics Presents Vol 1 115) and Snowblind's White Field (Ghost Rider Vol 3 13). Smell: Ghost Riders can literally smell sins (Thunderbolts Vol 3 29), evil (Ghost Rider Vol 2 5), corruption (Ghost Rider Vol 2 74) and bloodshed (Ghost Rider Vol 2 2) from miles away and track down (Ghost Rider Vol 10 4) their sources. Hearing: Ghost Riders can hear the screams of souls in anguish (Venom Vol 2 13) I didn't account for the first scan (F4 vol 1 374) because the Invisible Woman just wasn't inviaible at the time, she was just moving her arms.
  • Extrasensory Perception: Johnny demonstrated the ability to feel sins (Damnation: Johnny Blaze - Ghost Rider Vol 1 1), fear (Ghost Rider Vol 2 57), pain (X-Force Vol 3 10), and even goodness (Marvel Two-In-One Vol 1 80). Danny Ketch detected the influence the demon D'Kay had had on the Legion of Vengeance (Marvel Comics Presents Vol 1 116). Zarathos led Alejandra to a location where a terrible monster was about to be unleashed (Ghost Rider Vol 7 6). When occupying the throne of King of Hell, Johnny could feel others observing him (Ghost Rider Vol 9 7) from elsewhere and sense the presence of a door hidden by illusions (Ghost Rider Vol 9 6).
  • Memory Manipulation: Tried to help Mister Eleven recover his memories of what kind of being he really was, but managed to dispel only a few layers of past disguises.(Ghost Rider Annual Vol 2 1) This was originally proposed in the op as Clairvoyance, but reading through the story itself tells you it doesn't really fit, as GR doesn't really uncover all the way through 11's history and the context suggests it' was more a matter of memories.
  • Psychometry: The Ghost Rider's eyes allowed Johnny Blaze to learn the identity of a late host of a Spirit of Vengeance (Ghost Rider Vol 6 28). Once again tangent to Clairvoyance but not really it. I bet you didn't even know we had this ability on the wiki.
  • Soul Manipulation: Mesmerized the collective souls of an abominable flesh monster and forced it to obey his commands (Ghost Rider Vol 10 4).
  • Dimensional Travel: Has the unique ability to cross over between the immortal/celestial plane and the mortal one, and doing so while retaining his physical form (Ghost Rider Vol 6 4). Ghost Riders regularly meet up in different dimensions to compete against each other (Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur Vol 1 24). The scan of Danny Ketch entering heaven in the vestments of the holy (Ghost Rider Vol 6 32) happens in specific moment in his history where he likewise exists in a specific status, so for from his normal self and even farther from Johnny Blaze.
  • Teleportation and Portal Creation: Zarathos warped himself, Danny Ketch and Stacy Dolan from New York to England (Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance Vol 1 18). Alejandra Jones, while bonded to Zarathos, could use hellfire to appear from nowhere (Ghost Rider Vol 7 1) or transport herself and Johnny Blaze away (Ghost Rider Vol 7 8). Danny Ketch, with only a portion of a Spirit of Vengeance's power, opened a portal to the underground (Ghost Rider: Danny Ketch Vol 1 4). The first scan, from Ghost Rider Vol 5 2 doesn't show any instance of teleportation and even in the comic sequence itself there's no such thing. In the sixth scan, from Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance Vol 1 12, the portal is opened by Quinn McIntyre, not Ghost Rider. The last one is once again the product of Noble Kale, which I mention in the bullet list down below, and I don't feel confident in scaling him 1:1 to other Ghost Riders.

Extra explanations for things I've rejected entirely:

  • Spatial Manipulation: The first scan sounds entirely like a figure of speech, bringing down heaven and reality; while it may very well hold weight, as in AP, I wouldn't count it as an ability per se, also because it refers to a hypothetical scenario where the GRs grow too strong. The second could be fine, but it still sounds like more a matter of AP, considering how strong Zarathos is.
  • Sound and Vibration: I believe the first scan to just be GR punching the crows, really, I see no shockwave. The second also could be aura at best, it's the effects of a clash being felt by every living being across different worlds, but once again it's likely a matter of ap (as they are the rest of the scans).
  • Weather Manipulation: The scene of Zarathos under the storm (from Ghost Rider/Blaze vol 1 16) doesn't really suggest he its source. The sky's already cloudy in previous pages, so the worsening of the weather could just be a natural phenomenon put there for dramatic effect.
  • Death Manipulation: From Ghost Rider Vol 3 93. I don't see any special ability here, or rather, Noble Kale, who doesn't carry Zarathos but another Spirit of Vengeance, goes Super Saiyan upon learning of his unique and angelic nature and kills Blackheart, either through raw power or, in fact, some death power related to him being allegedly the angel of death. Once again, the details are fuzzy but this is clearly a unique case, given how Noble Kale's Spirit of Vengeance differs from Zarathos or other more mundane ones.
  • Time Travel: From Ghost Rider Vol 6 33. The future GRs where sent by future Caretaker, we don't know if in a figurative or literal way, but the whole sequence doesn't provide sufficient information to safely say all the GRs can casually travel across time.

Wheew, this is done as well, please let me know your thoughts!
 
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