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So Kai is now canon to super
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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What changes dose that promise to bring? (People still out there trying to get superstar universe to infinte?)
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I'm sure there's people out there trying to get the Mario Super Star Universe to be infinite in size
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Angles can only die by being erused from existence in the manga at least right? Merus makes this pretty clear, dose that mean there immune to death inducement effects on account of death just not being a thing they can do?
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I..didn't mean that....
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Of the top of my head:
Buuhan's uni/multiversal Vice Shout.
Kid Buu is the Buu strongest statements.
Statements and visuals of Kid Buu destroying galaxies.
Quick glimpses of Goku vs Pikkon at the Otherworld Tournament.
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.....since when?
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I can't see that, what is?
StarShooter80
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I swear I could've recalled that being said on Toppo's profile
Spinoirr
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Game play of PUI Goku in sparking zero being op
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The thing about Arale? I believe Beerus may have 5D EE through his existential erasure that is capable of creating a new timeline, said by Whis himself that he created a new timeline.
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I think he created one when he erased Zamasu..? Then again even minor things can give birth to a timeline in dragon balls.
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it wasn't't his existence erasure who did that, it was the natural time travel rule in DB who did that
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Yes, it creates a new timeline.
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yeah, cuz he altered history by killing Zamasu before he became Goku Black.......i wasn't the Hakai at all
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No. It’d destroy the Absorption Energy Barrier and he has no resistance to Hakai. The only exception I can think of is if the Hakai is targeted to destroy a specific object (ignoring all others) and Super 17 intercepts it. We see pretty clearly in the Manga and Anime that Hakai users can control when and what gets affected.
Toppo constantly used a passive Hakai Barrier Aura to nullify energy blasts that ignored/wasn’t damaging people when they touched him and we see this in the Manga when Beerus Hakai’d Vegeta and forced it to only affect his Armor, not damaging anything else on him.
Given it will ignore/not damage anything else, Super 17 could then absorb it. Only then could I assume he’d be able to absorb more lethal Hakai’s freely afterward, since after that point he’d have the Ki within him and thus be experienced with it (and thus could presumably Golden Frieza it, nullify its threat via immense control of energy).
OR—It also might be possible that he could utilize such energy control on Lethal Hakai’s outright from the start to prevent lethality and absorb them. I imagine that’s possible too.
It really just depends on how effectively/precisely Super 17 can control the power he has at his disposal or what kind of Hakai he’s facing.
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I remember that according to your crt timelines can only be created through time travel, but Beerus never set foot in another timeline to cause a time rule, he just erased Zamasu and ended up creating a whole new timeline, it has nothing to do with rules.
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But it was said by Whis "by erasing Zamasu you created a new timeline" it's because of the hakai that it had this effect, the Gods are able to create new alternative worlds with their EE.
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yeah.....in his case the time travel that created the other timeline was Trunks', since that is what changed History again, making Beerus erase zamasu as a result
nope, it was because he destroyed Zamasu before he could become Black, thus changing History, he NEVER mentioned hakai as the cause, if Beerus was to Kill Zamasu without it the same would have happened
plus Gods cannot create other timelines, period, hence why they have Acausality type 4, that case was an exemption due to Black wearing a Time ring, making History need to change due to his own Acausality
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Where is Mister Satan?
Spinoirr
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Hiding for a sneak attack duh
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Midoverse 2 could never come close to having What If stories as cool as in Sparking Zero. This might overtake FF7 Rebirth as my GOTY.
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What do you think of my Collection of Toei Canon Stuffs Blog? Incredibly curious as to your stance considering how the films explicitly connect to each other in their informational Pamphlets and Comics.
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not enough time to read all of it right now, will give opinions after i read all if it when i find time
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Yeah.
He was confident that he'd be able to win the 25th World Tournament without going SSJ, despite the fact that Piccolo and 18 were participating.
Dabura mentioned that him, Vegeta and Gohan had enough Ki to potentially resurrect Buu, but completely ignored Piccolo.
Shin claimed that he could one-shot Frieza, but was scared of Pui Pui and Yakon, who Base Vegeta and Goku could easily beat.
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In the anime, yes, in the manga, maybe, since shin is cell games goku level and he says that he can one shot frieza (not sure if he knows about frieza forms), and goku was stronger than shin.
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Man were really no feats of lifting strength in super?
I remegoku carrying weights around that looked exactly like the 40 tons ones but way way bigger.. there must be something??
Zumazu was able to move around the super dragonballs- and goku could break his grip, dose that scale?
I remegoku carrying weights around that looked exactly like the 40 tons ones but way way bigger.. there must be something??
Zumazu was able to move around the super dragonballs- and goku could break his grip, dose that scale?
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I mean, someone must scale to being able to move the super dragon balls
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I'm also trying to find where the class Y is coming from for the angles but I can't find it
Has anyone tried to apply asserted multipliers to base goku's T class lifting strength?
Because I think there's enough multiplication in there to get SSBKKX20 and above to class P
Has anyone tried to apply asserted multipliers to base goku's T class lifting strength?
Because I think there's enough multiplication in there to get SSBKKX20 and above to class P
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While it may seem intuitive, since Multipliers DO enhance Goku’s Lifting Strength, do NOT apply them to any calcs/feats (beyond “higher with forms”), because it creates massive inconsistencies with the source material. (Ex. Goku can casually lift a multi ton car in chapter 1, but it’s an explicit plot point that a hundred pounds or so was too much to hold and train with. Later Goku could move a multi ton boulder in his training with Roshi, but an explicit plot point in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai 200 pounds or so prevented Goku from operating at full tilt. Etc.)
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I mean just because goku can throw it dosen't mean he can do back flips with it... a normal person would still be heavily effected just from wearing an extra 20 pounds all day, it dosen't have to be hard for goku to lift to take away from his full power..
Not too mention all these examples are from before his forms even existed
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Omg
Dose this mean cabba will scale above gogeta????
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Nah. That feat’s level of power would be reserved for characters who scale above Kai/Buuhan in Kai, which is no one. Then by DBS (BoG) only people who do is SSG Goku and Beerus, who also have their own explicit 2-C Feat.
And we have no way of knowing how much stronger SSG is than Vegito. (The SSG Multiplier we use is born from a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito as a minimum, actually, from that same reason).
GT only gets where it does because we have a lot more numbers to work with for the gap between the Boo feat and the next “tier” of strength. Whereas there is no quantification in DBS. That said, I’m curious on others’ take on this.
Eden_Warlock99
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I do believe Kai has the "Kid Buu is the strongest" statements, though.
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Mm. Previously I argued against those due to SSG’s plot importance into reaching the universal tiers of power, (especially because Goku EXPLICITLY doesn’t know how to FIGHT at the Universal Level without destroying reality yet UNTIL BoG), and the fact Kai is supposed to model the Manga + DBS was written with the manga in mind according to Toriyama, which has Kid Buu has weaker than Buuhan, unlike the Toei Anime. Which I stand by.
However, I won’t deny those statements exist if they do, because DBKai is just a re-dubbed and re-cut version of that original Toei Anime, and it really wouldn’t be surprising if they kept them. So really I guess it’s a matter of if those statements overturn narrative intent, the inconsistencies later, the whole point of SSG, etc. for you.
However, I won’t deny those statements exist if they do, because DBKai is just a re-dubbed and re-cut version of that original Toei Anime, and it really wouldn’t be surprising if they kept them. So really I guess it’s a matter of if those statements overturn narrative intent, the inconsistencies later, the whole point of SSG, etc. for you.
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Idk where else to put this but.... how about that Sparking Zero? 
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