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Ghost Rider resistance additions

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One more thing to note is that this is a part 1, part 2 is focused more on haxes and just a few more resistances.
 
Do you have the references for these, my guy? Goes for all of your CRTs so far actually.
 
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I don't see any resistance here, tbh. Deathurge snares him with a chain with the explicit purpose of manhandle him across the room, but GR frees himself and makes Deathurge flee. The latter does threaten him to send him to Oblivion, but doesn't enact any particular action in that direction and remains quite vague on the means through which he'd send him to said entity.

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As Oliver said, this is acausality. Manually tampering with the flow of history via time travel and being unaffected doesn't qualify as resisting causality hax.

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I'm not sure this qualifies as resistance either, aside from maybe water. I see these more as properties of his fire, which could still be added as additional evidences to his fire manipulation ability. The reason why I don't see them as a resistance is because he's countering rocks, webs, ice and water (the second scan, in which he vaporizes it) with the (super)natural properties of fire, and the same could theoretically be achieved with a handful of other abilities, without qualifying as resistance.

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Let me get this clear, for the second row of scan. D'Kay is inflicting upon GR and Iron Fist all the powers of the Legion of Vengeance simultaneously?
Anyway, this works, though the whole paragraph could be phrased in a more concise and ordered way.

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Advanced Reality Warping: Johnny, Ketch, and Michael endured getting warped across The Multiverse.
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I'd treat this as a stamina feat, since they are indeed being affected by the warping, but they survived long enough to return to normal reality.

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It's good.

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Looks good, though I don't see any mention of concepts in the last scan.
 
This CRT's been dead for awhile so, if no one has any objections, I'd like to take it over, since I believe some of these additions are sound.
Here below are my suggestions on how I'd rework the proposals, according to the opinions provided in my previous post:

First, while the Cosmic Ghost Rider feat may be sound, I lack the proper context to tell whether he altered the history of him home universe, or that of another, such as the classic one. So, I'd hold on to any acausality for now. Also, I wouldn't scale him to 616 GR, for he's a very specific version of Ghost Rider and while I'm absolutely not knowledgeable on him, even the last scan that refers to a point in time when he was simply Ghost Rider, Galactus himself implies some part of him is still inside of him. Without being able to discern the entire context from the op, nor being able to tell it myself, I will not speak for it.

Now, on to my proposals:

  • Heat Manipulation: His fire can weld stone (ref not found), vaporize water (ref not found) and melt webs (Marvel Tales vol 2 256) and metal (Marvel Spotlight vol 1 7).
  • Limited Forcefield Nullification: His hellfire could burn through a forcefield not attuned to the supernatural. (Ghost Rider vol 1 5)
  • Purification: Danny Ketch, a fellow Ghost Rider and bearer of a Spirit of Vengeance, could muster hellfire to clear himself from a plague of vermins that had been cast upon him (Marvel Comics Presents vol 1 117); I went to take a gander at the original story and nothing implies D'Kay attacked GR and IF with the powers of his minions, they are simply afflicted by vermins through magical means
  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1): Ghost Riders do not breathe (Champions Vol 1 16)
Resistance to:
  • Water Manipulation: His hellfire, being mystical in nature, can't (ref not found) be put out (Marvel Two-In-One vol 1 80) by water (ref not found).
  • Poison Manipulation: Alcohol has no effect on Johnny as long as he stays in his Ghost Rider form. (Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 658)
  • Mind Manipulation (Limited): Although Mojo had initially enslaved the minds of Johnny Blaze and the Spirit of Vengenace, the latter eventually freed itself upon learning a shocking, albeit false, information, and took full control of their body. (Uncanny Avengers Annual Vol 1 1)
  • Holy and Soul Manipulation: Hellfire allowed Johnny Blaze to wield the sword of Uri-El without being consumed by it; said sword burns with sacred fire imbued with the force of the divine and was even referred to as "soul-searing" (Blaze Vol 1 11 and 12). Once again I read the story and there was no mention of existence erasure
  • Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation: Not even Zadkiel, after having usurped Heaven and having reached proximity to omnipotence, could truly kill the Spirits of Vengeance, despite having intention of doing so even across history and having showcased the ability to instantly erase other beings; this is because the Spirits of Vengenace could only be unmade by their very creator, God itself. (Heaven's on Fire story arc)
 
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SamanPatou said:
This CRT's been dead for awhile so, if no one has any objections, I'd like to take it over, since I believe some of these additions are sound.
Here below are my suggestions on how I'd rework the proposals, according to the opinions provided in my previous post:

First, while the Cosmic Ghost Rider feat may be sound, I lack the proper context to tell whether he altered the history of him home universe, or that of another, such as the classic one. So, I'd hold on to any acausality for now. Also, I wouldn't scale him to 616 GR, for he's a very specific version of Ghost Rider and while I'm absolutely not knowledgeable on him, even the last scan that refers to a point in time when he was simply Ghost Rider, Galactus himself implies some part of him is still inside of him. Without being able to discern the entire context from the op, nor being able to tell it myself, I will not speak for it.

Now, on to my proposals:

  • Heat Manipulation: His fire can weld stone (ref not found), vaporize water (ref not found) and melt webs (Marvel Tales vol 2 256) and metal (Marvel Spotlight vol 1 7).
  • Limited Forcefield Nullification: His hellfire could burn through a forcefield not attuned to the supernatural. (Ghost Rider vol 1 5)
  • Purification: Danny Ketch, a fellow Ghost Rider and bearer of a Spirit of Vengenace, could muster hellfire to clear himself from a plague of vermins that had been cast upon him (Marvel Comics Presents vol 1 117); I went to take a gander at the original story and nothing implies D'Kay attacked GR and IF with the powers of his minions, they are simply afflicted by vermins through magical means
  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1): Ghost Riders do not breathe (Champions Vol 1 16)
Resistance to:
  • Water Manipulation: His hellfire, being mystical in nature, can't (ref not found) be put out (Marvel Two-In-One vol 1 80) by water (ref not found).
  • Poison Manipulation: Alcohol has no effect on Johnny as long as he stays in his Ghost Rider form. (Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 658)
  • Mind Manipulation (Limited): Although Mojo had initially enslaved the minds of Johnny Blaze and the Spirit of Vengenace, the latter eventually freed itself upon learning a shocking, albeit false, information, and took full control of their body. (Uncanny Avengers Annual Vol 1 1)
  • Holy and Soul Manipulation: Hellfire allowed Johnny Blaze to wield the sword of Uri-El without being consumed by it; said sword burns with sacred fire imbued with the force of the divine and was even referred to as "soul-searing" (Blaze Vol 1 11 and 12). Once again I read the story and there was no mention of existence erasure
  • Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation: Not even Zadkiel, after having usurped Heaven and having reached proximity to omnipotence, could truly kill the Spirits of Vengeance, despite having intention of doing so even across history and having showcased the ability to instantly erase other beings; this is because the Spirits of Vengenace could only be unmade by their very creator, God itself. (Heaven's on Fire story arc)
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Looks great to me!
 
SamanPatou said:
This CRT's been dead for awhile so, if no one has any objections, I'd like to take it over, since I believe some of these additions are sound.
Here below are my suggestions on how I'd rework the proposals, according to the opinions provided in my previous post:

First, while the Cosmic Ghost Rider feat may be sound, I lack the proper context to tell whether he altered the history of him home universe, or that of another, such as the classic one. So, I'd hold on to any acausality for now. Also, I wouldn't scale him to 616 GR, for he's a very specific version of Ghost Rider and while I'm absolutely not knowledgeable on him, even the last scan that refers to a point in time when he was simply Ghost Rider, Galactus himself implies some part of him is still inside of him. Without being able to discern the entire context from the op, nor being able to tell it myself, I will not speak for it.

Now, on to my proposals:

  • Heat Manipulation: His fire can weld stone (ref not found), vaporize water (ref not found) and melt webs (Marvel Tales vol 2 256) and metal (Marvel Spotlight vol 1 7).
  • Limited Forcefield Nullification: His hellfire could burn through a forcefield not attuned to the supernatural. (Ghost Rider vol 1 5)
  • Purification: Danny Ketch, a fellow Ghost Rider and bearer of a Spirit of Vengenace, could muster hellfire to clear himself from a plague of vermins that had been cast upon him (Marvel Comics Presents vol 1 117); I went to take a gander at the original story and nothing implies D'Kay attacked GR and IF with the powers of his minions, they are simply afflicted by vermins through magical means
  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1): Ghost Riders do not breathe (Champions Vol 1 16)
Resistance to:
  • Water Manipulation: His hellfire, being mystical in nature, can't (ref not found) be put out (Marvel Two-In-One vol 1 80) by water (ref not found).
  • Poison Manipulation: Alcohol has no effect on Johnny as long as he stays in his Ghost Rider form. (Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 658)
  • Mind Manipulation (Limited): Although Mojo had initially enslaved the minds of Johnny Blaze and the Spirit of Vengenace, the latter eventually freed itself upon learning a shocking, albeit false, information, and took full control of their body. (Uncanny Avengers Annual Vol 1 1)
  • Holy and Soul Manipulation: Hellfire allowed Johnny Blaze to wield the sword of Uri-El without being consumed by it; said sword burns with sacred fire imbued with the force of the divine and was even referred to as "soul-searing" (Blaze Vol 1 11 and 12). Once again I read the story and there was no mention of existence erasure
  • Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation: Not even Zadkiel, after having usurped Heaven and having reached proximity to omnipotence, could truly kill the Spirits of Vengeance, despite having intention of doing so even across history and having showcased the ability to instantly erase other beings; this is because the Spirits of Vengenace could only be unmade by their very creator, God itself. (Heaven's on Fire story arc)
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I agree
 
SamanPatou said:
First, while the Cosmic Ghost Rider feat may be sound, I lack the proper context to tell whether he altered the history of him home universe, or that of another, such as the classic one. So, I'd hold on to any acausality for now. Also, I wouldn't scale him to 616 GR, for he's a very specific version of Ghost Rider and while I'm absolutely not knowledgeable on him, even the last scan that refers to a point in time when he was simply Ghost Rider, Galactus himself implies some part of him is still inside of him. Without being able to discern the entire context from the op, nor being able to tell it myself, I will not speak for it.
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for reference in case you want to check it later, the Cosmic GR stuff is from Cosmic GR Destroys Marvel History (the scans are from issues 5 and 6 I think). I can link them but I'm not familiar with rules relating to illegal comic sites
 
I am fine with Saman's conclusions here. 🙏
 
Could we proceed with the additions?
They've got two staff approvals (I count myself since I wasn't the threadmaker) and for the type of additions they are it should be enough imho.
 
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