Kai (Ninjago) vs Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) [0-9-5] (GRACE ENDED)

[AigerTheKing]

So when the shoe is now on the other foot and Zeno can pull off his Wincon faster than Kai can, all of a sudden it’s now a stomp?

He can't tho. Your vote is based on the assumption Kai will start with Spinjitzu, but he can also shoot flames directly without charging up just like Zeno can with his EE, which is why I voted Incon. "Zeno just dodges" broskie has 0 combat skills

 

[Fezzih_007]

He can't tho. Your vote is based on the assumption Kai will start with Spinjitzu,

Is not trought, is based on the fact that Zeno gonna erased him, and his flames before hitting him.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Is not trought, is based on the fact that Zeno gonna erased him, and his flames before hitting him.

That was based on the fact he needed less movements than Kai, which apparently doesn't seem to be the case

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He can't tho. Your vote is based on the assumption Kai will start with Spinjitzu, but he can also shoot flames directly without charging up just like Zeno can with his EE, which is why I voted Incon. "Zeno just dodges" broskie has 0 combat skills

That further proves its not a stomp but an incon btw

 

[Ss3micah]

He can't tho. Your vote is based on the assumption Kai will start with Spinjitzu, but he can also shoot flames directly without charging up just like Zeno can with his EE, which is why I voted Incon. "Zeno just dodges" broskie has 0 combat skills

My vote was based on both the fireball and spintjitzu arguments

Kai pointing / aiming in a direction and then shooting a fireball in any given position and then that fireball needing to travel over a distance no matter how great or small and Kai spinning his body into a tornado which doesn’t even guarantee speed blitz capability are both realistically slower than Zeno closing his hand and then being insta-erase in a speed equal match.

Kai has wincons and in a speed equal match he can activate them. The case here though is when it comes to Zeno 99/100 Kai will be negged before those Wincons can reach Zeno.

 

[Ss3micah]

My vote was based on both the fireball and spintjitzu arguments

Kai pointing / aiming in a direction and then shooting a fireball in any given position and then that fireball needing to travel over a distance no matter how great or small and Kai spinning his body into a tornado which doesn’t even guarantee speed blitz capability are both realistically slower than Zeno closing his hand and then being insta-erase in a speed equal match.

Kai has wincons and in a speed equal match he can activate them. The case here though is when it comes to Zeno 99/100 Kai will be negged before those Wincons can reach Zeno.

That’s the point I stand on and that we all agree with
And to guy calling the match a stomp, a stomp would have been if Kai is erased passively so he has wincons but could never reach them.

Here though, Kai can activate his wincons. Where Kai falls short is that Zeno’s wincons can reach Kai first. That’s a fair win.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This ain’t no stomp here sir
Need we remind you that HERE Kai got the “W” over Cat Blanc via his Wincon being able to be pulled off Faster that Cat Blanc’s?

If you want to remove it, remove it

So when the shoe is now on the other foot and Zeno can pull off his Wincon faster than Kai can, all of a sudden it’s now a stomp?

This discussion really doesn’t matter, add this to profiles and we’ll talk in matchups removal threads

 

[Sdjlakjh]

That’s the point I stand on and that we all agree with
And to guy calling the match a stomp, a stomp would have been if Kai is erased passively so he has wincons but could never reach them.

Here though, Kai can activate his wincons. Where Kai falls short is that Zeno’s wincons can reach Kai first. That’s a fair win.

Hm speaking of faster wincon, you should check out this Zeno MU https://vsbattles.com/threads/lady-bone-demon-vs-zeno-0-0-0.173028/

 

[Lloydblitzed]

And to guy calling the match a stomp, a stomp would have been if Kai is erased passively so he has wincons but could never reach them.

Here though, Kai can activate his wincons. Where Kai falls short is that Zeno’s wincons can reach Kai first. That’s a fair win.

Not the point of stomps but sure I'll add it

If you want to remove it, remove it

That win was valid

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That win was valid

I meant “propose removal in matchups removal thread and we’ll talk there”, not just remove it from profiles, mb

 

[Ss3micah]

If you want to remove it, remove it

That win was valid

To quote Lloyd’s reason before the FRA train started

“Notice how he needs to actually charge up a blast to do that? Kai could also make a long range blast while moving foward, and without the need to charge up as well, so I think he only wins due to that advantage”

So in the end it boiled down to Kai’s Wincon being faster to Reach than Cat Blanc’s. And don’t get me wrong I think and feel that’s a valid wincon. I’m not gonna say no to that.

My point is here, the same reason is more or less applied. Kai can activate his wincon but it’s not gonna reach before Zeno’s does first. And my Orange friend is calling it a stomp when for Kai it wasn’t.

I won’t contest the win being valid because I feel it’s a valid win. But for Orange Guy to now call this a stomp for more or less the same reasons seems based to me.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Additional Info lol

Anyway Zeno fra

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Additional Info lol

Anyway Zeno fra

Not counting that Match is already over

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Not counting that Match is already over

No it’s not

 

[Lloydblitzed]

No it’s not

It is

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

snip

Actually nvm, just reread stomp page, this matchup is valid

 

[Ryzen7900X]

ngl ya'll are desperate for a win against Zeno arent you. but when he starts winning, it's suddenly a stomp. ight lol

 

[Lloydblitzed]

ngl ya'll are desperate for a win against Zeno arent you. but when he starts winning, it's suddenly a stomp. ight lol

I was so desperate that I thought they both kill each other and there wasn't gonna be any winner

 

[TiltedFN]

Yeah kai is losing, zeno erases GG.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah kai is losing, zeno erases GG.

Why are yall still voting when the match is already on Kai's profile?

• Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) Zen'ō's Profile (Speed was equalized. Dragon Form Kai was used. Fight took place in a empty city. Starting Distance: 2m)

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Just close this thread lol. Also yall should just go focus on another active Zeno VS thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/lady-bone-demon-vs-zeno-0-0-0.173028/

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

ngl ya'll are desperate for a win against Zeno arent you. but when he starts winning, it's suddenly a stomp. ight lol

Actually nvm, just reread stomp page, this matchup is valid

 

[TiltedFN]

Why are yall still voting when the match is already on Kai's profile?

didnt know