Over and Over, Again and Again: Flowey vs The Nightmare (Undertale vs. Slay The Princess)

[Eden_Warlock99]

The Nightmare's fear aura might be a bit too much, guess we'll see.

-The Nightmare and Base Flowey are used.
-Speed will be equalized.
-Battle takes place at the cabin in Snowdin Forest.
-No Prep Time or Information of each other.
-Both start 100m away and out of sight of each other.

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VS

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"I'll hold victory in front of you, just within your reach... And then tear it away just before you grasp it. Over, and over, and over:" 0
"Imagine climbing a mountain of lifetimes, and when you finally reach the summit, when you finally win.
The only view you find is me:" 0
Incon: 0​

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is there like anything that stops Flowey from bombarding her with 8-B bullets? Coz the fear thing isn't exactly going to work on Flowey, pretty sure.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is there like anything that stops Flowey from bombarding her with 8-B bullets? Coz the fear thing isn't exactly going to work on Flowey, pretty sure.

Flowey's Immunity to Empathic Manipulation really only extends to love, so I don't see why the fear aura wouldn't work on him.
The Princess will also morph into Flowey's perception of her, which wouldn't be a postive if not for the fact that her influence would passively warp the cabin's interior into an endless, suffocating void, in addition to making Flowey feel as if he's constantly being watched. That, coupled with her own passive fear aura, could make Flowey question his strength, potentially leading him to believe that the Princess is far more powerful than him, which would become the case.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You'd still need a layered fear hax or to be a very well-known threat to make Flowey feel fear, only the latter of which is applicable only if he's got prior knowledge, and even at that point, Flowey has infinite tries anyway and by SBA can't give up like he did in canon against Sans

The entire "Flowey hits her once" thing would seal the deal on Flowey's opinion of her as being a weakling too.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Flowey's Immunity to Empathic Manipulation really only extends to love, so I don't see why the fear aura wouldn't work on him

You have Asriel as pfp yet you don't know his character?

Buddy... Flowey there had fear because he knew that if Chara kills him, he'd dead, forever, with no chance of coming back. It's true that he didn't display fear towards "Chara" at the end of an aborted Genocide if you kill him after the Photoshop Flowey fight, but there he was driven from pure spite. In Genocide he deeply still trusts us, hence why the fear.

The entire "Flowey hits her once" thing would seal the deal on Flowey's opinion of her as being a weakling too.

Pretty much lol.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You'd still need a layered fear hax or to be a very well-known threat to make Flowey feel fear, only the latter of which is applicable only if he's got prior knowledge

You misunderstood my point. Flowey does NOT have resistance to fear, or really any other emotion that isn't "Love" or "Compassion."

He held me with tears in his eyes, saying…
“There, there. Everything is going to be alright.”
He was so… Emotional.
But… For some reason…
I didn’t feel anything at all.
I soon realized I didn’t feel ANYTHING about ANYONE.
My compassion had disappeared!

Far too many people misinterpret his "I soon realised I couldn't feel ANYTHING about ANYONE." to be that he's literally unable to feel anything, which is obviously not the case. Flowey simply reveals that despite Asgore expressing love and sympathy towards him, Flowey did not experience any feelings of love or comfort in response.

In fact, at the end of the pacifist route, Asriel emphasizes that his inability to love others was due to being soulless.
He never claims that being soulless rendered him unable to feel emotions.

Frisk…
I haven’t felt like this for a long time.
As a flower, I was soulless.
I lacked the power to love other people.
However, with everyone’s souls inside me…
I not only have my own compassion back…
But I can feel every other monster’s as well.
They all care about each other so much.
And… they care about you too, Frisk.

And yes, he can feel fear.

I remember when I first woke up here, in the garden.
I was so scared.
I couldn’t feel my arms or my legs…
My entire body had turned into a flower!
“Mom! Dad! Somebody help me!” I called out.
But nobody came.
Eventually, the king found me, crying in the garden.

When Flowey first woke up, he was horrified at the loss of his limbs.
He was terrified by the awful situation he was alone in.
His fear pushed him to the point of tears.

Even his justification only says that he can't feel love and compassion, it says nothing about any other emotion.

But even IF he had resistance to it, the Nightmare's fear aura sorta causes organ failure? Flowey needs those.

And even at that point, Flowey has infinite tries anyway and by SBA can't give up like he did in canon against Sans.

So did the Long Quiet, she managed to mold him into a broken husk with no real will to resist over the course an ungodly amount of chapters.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Flowey needs those

What organs?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The entire "Flowey hits her once" thing would seal the deal on Flowey's opinion of her as being a weakling too.

Should also note that simply striking her down won't kill her; Flowey must be fully convinced she's dead.
Any lingering doubt about her death will prevent her from truly being dead.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What organs?

Do stems and leaves count?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Do stems and leaves count?

Tbh I don't think so, plants behave extremely different from animals in biology.

You don't see organs in trees after all.

 

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[JustAPokemonFan]

her fear manipulation seems to be more related to making people shut down their bodies, than actually making them scare themselves shitless. I mean, the LQ still had the options of killing her and defying her even with a specifically PARANOID voice being around.

Her only win con is taking out the mask, which would lead to Moment Of Clarity where she does some Madness Manipulation to the point the LQ even with dozens of voices contradicting each other + narrator, is unable to resist her in any amount at all. Even the hollowed options are just saying it's worthless, so even subcounsciously and instincitvely he gave up against Moment Of Clarity


She seemed to be immune to the blade though. Would she even be affected by Flowey's bullets? wouldn't they phase out of her or something?