About UES

[ShionAH]

If a character can create Solar Systems, and then another character tanks hits from them. Would that be Tier 4 stuff?

Hercules as a verse seemingly gave their characters Tier 4 because of this

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

That should be Durability feat and not an ap feat

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Case by case, even if we have UES, it's not always assumed that casual physical attacks are downscaled from creation feats. As creations feats aren't always assumed to be casual and could very well be in the same boat as "Feats that require someone to deplete all their energy into one attack forcing them to be basically be incapable of combat afterward" and/or could be almost as bad as suicide attacks.

But under the assumption that we're using verse specific examples where it only costs an extremely small portion of their energy to perform the solar system creation feat via miniature big bang; and that even their most basic punches are using up more of said energy, than yeah, it would be 4-B durability to tank those 4-B punches. But some of the aforementioned stuff above may still need to be taken into account before hand.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

If a character can create Solar Systems, and then another character tanks hits from them. Would that be Tier 4 stuff?

Hercules as a verse seemingly gave their characters Tier 4 because of this

Basically what DDM said, there has to be a UES otherwise it's just creation (Nanatsu's Chaos)

In the case of Hades, it seems to me something just of creation. Although there is a scene of Zeus easily moving stars to make a constellation, so telekinesis would also be included I think.

I think there would need to be a bigger discussion perhaps? Was there another topic covering this tier? Because tier 4 was added in 2017, so it's pretty old.

 

[ShionAH]

Case by case

Then I'll just ask this

In Hazbin Hotel it was explained to us that Angels shaped the entire universe from nothing creating all of it, with later Lucifer straight up showing to us what he could have did if Angels did not stop him which is creating entire Solar Systems with a gesture

Is this enough?

 

[Qawsedf234]

this enough?

For UES? No.

 

[ShionAH]

For UES? No.

For Tier 4. Since Hercules seems to have the same scaling

 

[Qawsedf234]

For Tier 4. Since Hercules seems to have the same scaling

Hercules might alo be wrong if that's all they got.

But it's a Tier 4 creation feat.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

with later Lucifer straight up showing to us what he could have did if Angels did not stop him which is creating entire Solar Systems with a gesture

Tbh the implication of creating Solar System is very vague

Also why would Hazbin Hotel have UES?

 

[ShionAH]

Tbh the implication of creating Solar System is very vague

"My dream", Solar System Animation

Come on lol.

 

[Samlex1234]

Following

 

[ShionAH]

"Characters or objects that can create/destroy a solar system."

Why do we assume they are billion times weaker?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

"My dream", Solar System Animation

Come on lol.

It is just a poetic way of showing that his dream was big. Also from context we know his dream was similar to Charlie’s, NOT having his own Solar System.

"Characters or objects that can create/destroy a solar system."

Why do we assume they are billion times weaker?

Bro, we have a guy who is INFINITELY stronger via Creation than his regular AP.

Also, again, why would he have UES? One thing is being made of light and scaling to light attack, but here we don’t know how he would create it even if we assume it was his intention.

 

[ShionAH]

It is just a poetic way of showing that his dream was big.

We are talking about Cosmic Beings that created the Universe. Orange, think about it.

Bro, we have a guy who is INFINITELY stronger via Creation than his regular AP.

He does with Subjective Reality, which is hax more than "energy"

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We are talking about Cosmic Beings that created the Universe. Orange, think about it.

They expanded it, not created it iirc. Also, again, his dream was similar to Charlie’s (“I tried this all before”). And Charlie’s dream has nothing to do with a Solar System. Also given the narrative: do you really think Lucifer’s dream is a ******* huge duck and solar system around it?

He does with Subjective Reality, which is hax more than "energy"

Hax that required 2-B power, and also I’m pretty sure there are other many profiles who have same situation but straight up Creation feats.

Anyways, the reason why Creation ≠ AP by default is because we don’t know if those characters can harness this power in combat to fight and harm opponent. Just read Creation Feats page lol.

 

[ShionAH]

They expanded it, not created it iirc.

They created it, then expanded it when they told Lucifer to stop doing his stuff.

Also, again, his dream was similar to Charlie’s (“I tried this all before”). And Charlie’s dream has nothing to do with a Solar System.

Its metaphorical, he is talking about being free and changing the order of the world. Similar to Charlie he wanted to show his own ideas to the universe, come on now.

I am done talking this can be closed, I doubt this will happen I was just asking to see why Hercules had it.