Removing Oozaru Goku's Breath Attack

[SamanPatou]

Currently Son Goku (Oozaru) has Breath Attack as a side ability of his transfomation. However, this is never shown in the manga (Chapters 22 and 51). I know Kid Gohan can shoot beams when oozaru and that videogames gives this ability to Goku too, but the former is sensibly different from Goku and the latter don't count. So, I propose to just remove the ability from Goku's profile.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

At least to me, it seems clear that it is something related to Saiyan physiology.

Having the ability to do this when transforming into Oozaru.

Vegeta does this, Gohan who didn't even know how to manipulate ki consciously at that time also did this. The first thing Broly does when entering the Wrath state is to make this attack.

This is more explicit in secondary things like games where basically every Oozaru is capable of making this attack.

This is basically accepted as something from physiology since other guys like Raditz and King Vegeta who never demonstrated the Oozaru form or this attack, have this attack listed when they transform into the Oozaru form.

As it is something about physiology, the character does not need to demonstrate it to have it listed (otherwise we would have to make vsbattle's physiology pages unusable)

Unless someone wants to remove this part of the Breath Attack when transforming into Oozaru from Saiyan physiology in general.

 

[Damage3245]

Since Goku never demonstrated this himself, I'm fine with it being removed.

 

[Planck69]

Eh, both Gohan and Vegeta showcase the ability to do so and the latter isn't even trained for it, so I doubt that it's a unique technique to them and not Goku. I think it can just stay based on that definition or failing that, with a 'Likely' modifier.

 

[SamanPatou]

Vegeta has a whole different degree of control over the oozaru and Gohan was especially talented since the beginning. Ki control comes easier for saiyans than other races, but it isn't necessarily inherent, as both Goku and Gohan had to learn how to do it. Gohan's talent might have come out thanks to the heightened strength of the oozaru, or because it represents a breaking of a limiter. On the other hand, Goku's oozaru form might have been hindered because at the time ki control wasn't such an immediate thing for Goku, so his oozaru self might not be able to go that far, even if it maybe had the potential for doing it. We also have to remember how, narratively speaking, mouth beams weren't a thing yet.

This also isn't anything different than other forms of ki projection to which some characters are used while others aren't. Everyone has the potential to shoot ki from the mouth, like Nappa and Rekoom do, but not everyone does it, like with ki swords, feet kamehameha, volley blasts etc.., it could very well be a matter of ingenuity or will.

All this to say there's no indication that shooting mouth beams is naturally inherent to every oozaru, as it's not exactly physiological and straight forward to assume. A number of factors could be at play and we're given no direct informations, so I feel like it's safer to apply the rule of the thumb.

 

[SamanPatou]

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[SamanPatou]

Bump

 

[SamanPatou]

Up

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why is it bump? Is this not an accepted topic? I think it would be better to apply, right?

 

[Hypertornado099]

Vegeta has a whole different degree of control over the oozaru and Gohan was especially talented since the beginning. Ki control comes easier for saiyans than other races, but it isn't necessarily inherent, as both Goku and Gohan had to learn how to do it. Gohan's talent might have come out thanks to the heightened strength of the oozaru, or because it represents a breaking of a limiter. On the other hand, Goku's oozaru form might have been hindered because at the time ki control wasn't such an immediate thing for Goku, so his oozaru self might not be able to go that far, even if it maybe had the potential for doing it. We also have to remember how, narratively speaking, mouth beams weren't a thing yet.

This also isn't anything different than other forms of ki projection to which some characters are used while others aren't. Everyone has the potential to shoot ki from the mouth, like Nappa and Rekoom do, but not everyone does it, like with ki swords, feet kamehameha, volley blasts etc.., it could very well be a matter of ingenuity or will.

All this to say there's no indication that shooting mouth beams is naturally inherent to every oozaru, as it's not exactly physiological and straight forward to assume. A number of factors could be at play and we're given no direct informations, so I feel like it's safer to apply the rule of the thumb.

I was gonna agree with keeping it due to saiyan physiology, but Saman's explanation makes more sense, I agree with the removal

 

[SamanPatou]

I wanted to wait for possible rebuttals, but at this point I believe we can consider the thread as accepted, so I'll apply the change.