Sukuna vs Kaneki

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Ryomen Sukuna

Ryomen Sukuna (両りょう面めん 宿すく儺な, Ryōmen Sukuna?) is a mighty sorcerer known as the King of Curses (呪のろいの王おう, Noroi no Ō?). He is one of the primary antagonists of Jujutsu Kaisen. According to a legend, during the Golden Age of Jujutsu over a thousand years ago, Sukuna was an "Imaginary Demon,"...

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Ken Kaneki

Ken Kaneki (金かね木き 研けん, Kaneki Ken?) is the protagonist of Tokyo Ghoul. Formerly a human studying Japanese Literature at Kamii University and living a normal life, everything was soon changed after he had Rize Kamishiro's Kakuhou transplanted into him and became a One-Eyed Ghoul. After joining...

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Kaneki is in his Dragon Key
SBA
Speed Equal

 

[LIGHTYW]

Couldnt sukuna win in Domains by attacking Kaneki's Souls just like he did with mahito? Also, since speed is equal i think sukuna would get the upper hand easy on h2h

 

[Arkenis]

Couldnt sukuna win in Domains by attacking Kaneki's Souls just like he did with mahito? Also, since speed is equal i think sukuna would get the upper hand easy on h2h

Soul attacks isn't something he does in any stretch of the imagination. Think about the manga, then think when he's attacked the soul besides Mahito, the guy exclusively requiring soul attacks to harm. It's not a reasonable argument. And besides that, Kaneki's dragon form is 21km, he'd need to find Kaneki first.

This form just randomly crushes Sukuna at some point or its poison and bio hax kills Sukuna.

 

[Homie890]

wait,sukuna doesn't resist poison and bio hax?

 

[AThe1412]

wait,sukuna doesn't resist poison and bio hax?

He does. Not sure where his bio resistance comes from but his poison resistance is probably good enough on its own.

 

[Homie890]

does sukuna have wcs or no?

 

[Arkenis]

wait,sukuna doesn't resist poison and bio hax?

He does. Not sure where his bio resistance comes from but his poison resistance is probably good enough on its own.

Not to this extent. The poison and bio hax from Kaneki is different here, its from RC cells which is something JJK's world doesn't have in any manner, there's no reason he'll have a resistance to this.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Soul attacks isn't something he does in any stretch of the imagination. Think about the manga, then think when he's attacked the soul besides Mahito, the guy exclusively requiring soul attacks to harm. It's not a reasonable argument. And besides that, Kaneki's dragon form is 21km, he'd need to find Kaneki first.

This form just randomly crushes Sukuna at some point or its poison and bio hax kills Sukuna.

In sukuna profile its stated he have immunity to all kind of poison and he also has bio manip resistance, why would kaneki poison be different?
And doesnt the same goes for kaneki? Like, he regularly uses these poisons in his fights?

And even if sukuna doesnt aim for the soul, his domain would be a big advantage and even a wincon

For example: Kaneki's size wouldnt matter as sukuna stated in chap 230, if he wants, he can also open domain with a closed barrier, so Kaneki entire body ( And kaneki himself ) would be getting sliced due to sure hit, and does this kaneki have some kind of regen? Infact, which sukuna are we even using?

 

[Homie890]

if i remember,SBA statest that the character in play are in the strongest,canon version,which probably means sukuna have world cutting slash(or im just talking crap)

 

[Arkenis]

In sukuna profile its stated he have immunity to all kind of poison and he also has bio manip resistance, why would kaneki poison be different?

Yeah, within JJK, a verse where RC cells don't exist. And he has limited bio manip resistance, it has nothing to do with Kaneki's. It should've been removed actually.

And doesnt the same goes for kaneki? Like, he regularly uses these poisons in his fights?

What goes the same for Kaneki?

For example: Kaneki's size wouldnt matter as sukuna stated in chap 230, if he wants, he can also open domain with a closed barrier, so Kaneki entire body ( And kaneki himself ) would be getting sliced due to sure hit, and does this kaneki have some kind of regen? Infact, which sukuna are we even using?

Kaneki is 21km long, him closing his domain won't matter.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yeah, within JJK, a verse where RC cells don't exist. And he has limited bio manip resistance, it has nothing to do with Kaneki's. It should've been removed actually.


What goes the same for Kaneki?


Kaneki is 21km long, him closing his domain won't matter.

since its sba, sukuna should have it due to verse equalization, and if you go on his profile, its not limited

Kaneki using this "RC" as a poison, you said that sukuna never aim on soul, but isnt kaneki the same scenario? Using this poison is a casual thing he does?

And it would, i mean, just look at dagon, from outside his domain looks smaller than a house, but in inside has a whole island,
and also, with domain, sukuna should have his stats boosted

 

[Arkenis]

since its sba, sukuna should have it due to verse equalization, and if you go on his profile, its not limited

It is.

Kaneki using this "RC" as a poison, you said that sukuna never aim on soul, but isnt kaneki the same scenario? Using this poison is a casual thing he does?

Yes in this key its passive.

And it would, i mean, just look at dagon, from outside his domain looks smaller than a house, but in inside has a whole island,

That's the inside, the outside is objectively smaller.

 

[LIGHTYW]

It is

Bro, im literally seeing it right now, and in his 3 keys, none says Limited

Yes in this key its passive.

Well, if theres verse equalization, sukuna should be able to resist it, as his statement of resisting to all kind of poison remains

That's the inside, the outside is objectively smaller.

Exactly? Look at chap 227/228, gojo by making his barrier way, way smaller, somehow he forcefully brings sukuna together ( Even with its barrier being smaller than a basketball ) And this also happens in chap 261/262, so if sukuna open domain with a barrier, he likely could bring kaneki together.

And with verse equalization, finding kaneki would be easy as he would have CE

 

[Homie890]

hmmm,couldn't sukuna just spam the wcs?

 

[Arkenis]

Bro, im literally seeing it right now, and in his 3 keys, none says Limited

I'm talking about his resistance to bio manip, what are you talking about? Sukuna's bio manip resistance comes from not being able to spawn stuff into the body of a sorcerer, Kaneki's bio manip is different from that.

Well, if theres verse equalization, sukuna should be able to resist it, as his statement of resisting to all kind of poison remains

Verse equalization happens when there's something to equalize, TG and JJK don't have anything to equalize.

Exactly? Look at chap 227/228, gojo by making his barrier way, way smaller, somehow he forcefully brings sukuna together ( Even with its barrier being smaller than a basketball ) And this also happens in chap 261/262, so if sukuna open domain with a barrier, he likely could bring kaneki together.

Sukuna's domain has to be expanded to take in the object in entirety, Sukuna doesn't have the range to do that to Sukuna here. He simply can't bring in Kaneki.

 

[Arkenis]

hmmm,couldn't sukuna just spam the wcs?

He doesn't do that?

 

[Homie890]

He doesn't do that?

he doesnt?

 

[Arkenis]

he doesnt?

No.

 

[LIGHTYW]

I'm talking about his resistance to bio manip, what are you talking about? Sukuna's bio manip resistance comes from not being able to spawn stuff into the body of a sorcerer, Kaneki's bio manip is different from that.

Resistance to Biological Manipulation & Heat Manipulation (Unfazed by fighting on top of Jogo's heated meteor, not scared of Jogo's Domain Expansion[18])
And i was reading on a wiki that this rc poison is like a tumor or cyst, so couldnt sukuna simply heal with RCT?

Verse equalization happens when there's something to equalize, TG and JJK don't have anything to equalize.

Why not? For most of sukuna abilities to work the enemy must have CE, like his Domain for example
Also, in this wiki its stated that the RC cells is lethal when the user already have a small amount of it, so withouth equalization he wouldnt have RC cells and wouldnt be affected anyways

Sukuna's domain has to be expanded to take in the object in entirety, Sukuna doesn't have the range to do that to Sukuna here. He simply can't bring in Kaneki.

He can just bring kanekis head

 

[Arkenis]

Resistance to Biological Manipulation & Heat Manipulation (Unfazed by fighting on top of Jogo's heated meteor, not scared of Jogo's Domain Expansion[18])
And i was reading on a wiki that this rc poison is like a tumor or cyst, so couldnt sukuna simply heal with RCT?

Yeah that needs to be changed, it doesn’t give the reason for Bio resistance and the bio resistance is in reference to the statement about sorcerer's body being a domain and how things can’t be spawned in it. And sure he can RCT, but it’s going to keep happening which will eventually destroy Sukuna since he’ll have to keep rcting it.

Why not? For most of sukuna abilities to work the enemy must have CE, like his Domain for example
Also, in this wiki its stated that the RC cells is lethal when the user already have a small amount of it, so withouth equalization he wouldnt have RC cells and wouldnt be affected anyways

Verse equalization doesn’t work that way, there’s nothing to be equalized. Pretty sure the toxin is just rc cells, that's the only thing that turns a human into a Ghoul in TG afterall.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yeah that needs to be changed, it doesn’t give the reason for Bio resistance and the bio resistance is in reference to the statement about sorcerer's body being a domain and how things can’t be spawned in it. And sure he can RCT, but it’s going to keep happening which will eventually destroy Sukuna since he’ll have to keep rcting it.


Verse equalization doesn’t work that way, there’s nothing to be equalized. Pretty sure the toxin is just rc cells, that's the only thing that turns a human into a Ghoul in TG afterall.

"ROS occurs when the minuscule amount of Rc cells already in the human body begin to excessively secrete out of control. In other words they begin to be overproduced and discharged from the body at an alarming rate"
Basically, if sukuna doesnt have this small amount, he shouldnt be affected by it, or in this scenario sukuna also has this small amount? And if Kaneki doesnt have CE, sukuna also could poison/curse him with CE, as its stated in jjk page that CE is lethal to non sorceres

 

[Arkenis]

"ROS occurs when the minuscule amount of Rc cells already in the human body begin to excessively secrete out of control. In other words they begin to be overproduced and discharged from the body at an alarming rate"
Basically, if sukuna doesnt have this small amount, he shouldnt be affected by it, or in this scenario sukuna also has this small amount? And if Kaneki doesnt have CE, sukuna also could poison/curse him with CE, as its stated in jjk page that CE is lethal to non sorceres

The toxin is likely just rc cells, its what turns one into Ghouls, do you agree?
If the rc cells are what do this, then them entering into Sukuna will inevitably cause the same reaction.

Toxin (Rc cells) Enter Sukuna -> More Enter -> Overproduction -> Death

That's all

And CE poison is almost never shown to be severe in people who have the capability to become sorcerers, its something Gege doesn't even address in the main manga. Not sure how its gonna harm Kaneki.

 

[LIGHTYW]

The toxin is likely just rc cells, its what turns one into Ghouls, do you agree?
If the rc cells are what do this, then them entering into Sukuna will inevitably cause the same reaction.

Toxin (Rc cells) Enter Sukuna -> More Enter -> Overproduction -> Death

That's all

And CE poison is almost never shown to be severe in people who have the capability to become sorcerers, its something Gege doesn't even address in the main manga. Not sure how its gonna harm Kaneki.

Yea, but is this poison very, very fast?, if its like instantaneous kaneki wins, but if its "slow" i think sukuna could win if he spams RCT and manage to somehow find kaneki's "true body" ( Like when he felt Maho's presence and also gojo's presence in chap 223 ) he can oneshot via cleave or wcs, also, domain amp would give sukuna a slighty advantage on speed

 

[VoidGoji]

RCT can deal with poisoning, just look at Hakari (tho Hakari's RCT speed/output is superior), and Sukuna's reserves are massive enough to spam it if needed. Sukuna could go with DE is he sees the monstrosity and gets annoyed. A single WCS can also win by bisecting Kaneki, who has no way to sense it due to layered invisibility.
DE + Fuga could also do a number here.
Sukuna now makes a binding vow where he promises to not drink baja blast on thursdays in exchange for anti-ghoul technique

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[Arkenis]

Yea, but is this poison very, very fast?, if its like instantaneous kaneki wins, but if its "slow" i think sukuna could win if he spams RCT and manage to somehow find kaneki's "true body" ( Like when he felt Maho's presence and also gojo's presence in chap 223 ) he can oneshot via cleave or wcs, also, domain amp would give sukuna a slighty advantage on speed

Yeah its fast, it affects people within seconds.

RCT can deal with poisoning, just look at Hakari (tho Hakari's RCT speed/output is superior), and Sukuna's reserves are massive enough to spam it if needed. Sukuna could go with DE is he sees the monstrosity and gets annoyed. A single WCS can also win by bisecting Kaneki, who has no way to sense it due to layered invisibility.
DE + Fuga could also do a number here.
Sukuna now makes a binding vow where he promises to not drink baja blast on thursdays in exchange for anti-ghoul technique

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Yeah no one disagrees he can’t rct from poison, and his ce reserves don’t matter here, we know substance removing is harder and also the poison will keep happening so its more if Sukuna can remove it all and keep doing this.

And again all Kaneki has to do is move around and crush Sukuna.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yeah its fast, it affects people within seconds.


Yeah no one disagrees he can’t rct from poison, and his ce reserves don’t matter here, we know substance removing is harder and also the poison will keep happening so its more if Sukuna can remove it all and keep doing this.

And again all Kaneki has to do is move around and crush Sukuna.

Is kaneki ap that higher to literally crush sukuna? And i dont think that sukuna would be hit by 20km sized monster with his domain boost, and sukuna could simply spam a WCS net on kaneki like he did with kashimo

 

[Arkenis]

Is kaneki ap that higher to literally crush sukuna? And i dont think that sukuna would be hit by 20km sized monster with his domain boost, and sukuna could simply spam a WCS net on kaneki like he did with kashimo

Yea Kaneki’s city level.

 

[Homie890]

ngl,im starting to think sukuna will take an L

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yea Kaneki’s city level.

Well, in his profile is "likely", and from the calc ive seen, he scales to 8 megatons, while sukuna to 4.14, so i dont think a 2x difference would be enough to literally crush sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

Well, in his profile is "likely", and from the calc ive seen, he scales to 8 megatons, while sukuna to 4.14, so i dont think a 2x difference would be enough to literally crush sukuna

Sukuna's fire arrow scales to that, he doesn't. And likely doesn't disqualify it from being used here.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Sukuna's fire arrow scales to that, he doesn't. And likely doesn't disqualify it from being used here.

Isnt there a feat of 15F meguna scaling to 1.1 megatons?, 20F should obviously scale way higher than that, not to mention that the arrow feat was also only 16F of his power, and again, in speed wise sukuna should have an advantage from his domain, so i dont think he would be automalically crushed

 

[Arkenis]

Isnt there a feat of 15F meguna scaling to 1.1 megatons?, 20F should obviously scale way higher than that, not to mention that the arrow feat was also only 16F of his power, and again, in speed wise sukuna should have an advantage from his domain, so i dont think he would be automalically crushed

He only scales to Small City level via the arrow.

 

[LIGHTYW]

He only scales to Small City level via the arrow.

I was seeing this calc on this sukuna and gojo thread, where a 10% 15F sukuna punches yuji through a city, and it was calced to 118 tons, so 118 x 10= 1,18 megatons, small city level at 15F

 

[Tatsumi504]

I was seeing this calc on this sukuna and gojo thread, where a 10% 15F sukuna punches yuji through a city, and it was calced to 118 tons, so 118 x 10= 1,18 megatons, small city level at 15F

That math ain't mathing.
118 tons x 10= 1,18 Kilotons which is small town level. Have no idea how you jumped to small city, where does the 10x even come from?

 

[Robo432343]

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[Robo432343]

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[Doggo]

Ken's "poison" is him simply turing you to a ghoul. All this does is give Sukuna a amp and bigger appetite....

 

[Arkenis]

Ken's "poison" is him simply turing you to a ghoul. All this does is give Sukuna a amp and bigger appetite....

No?

They into "ghouls" who are mindless, lose their original form, and explode themselves to spread the toxins. That is far from being a normal ghoul.

 

[Doggo]

No?

They into "ghouls" who are mindless, lose their original form, and explode themselves to spread the toxins. That is far from being a normal ghoul.

Well crap lol