Caine vs Sans (2-0-0)

[The_Pink_God]

I HAD AN IDEA

SBA
speed equal
Takes place in the hall of judgement

Caine (The Amazing Digital Circus)

Caine (Creative Artificial Intelligence Networking Entity) is one of the main characters/antagonist[2] of The Amazing Digital Circus series. He is the whimsical AI ringmaster and host of his show, bringing his human inhabitants on several adventures to prevent them from going insane,[1] or else...

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Sans

sans is a supporting character and the Genocide Route's final boss in the video game; Undertale. He is one of the guards of Snowdin Village. Lazy and frivolous with a knack for making puns and jokes, he has no interest in capturing humans, much to the chagrin of his brother, Papyrus. Despite his...

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[ShionAH]

Well Caine would snap Sans away but Sans can also slam him down and kill him quickly, would Caine still try to snap or would he be startled if Sans uses TK

 

[Dragonite007]

Sans can also slam him down and kill him quickly

"Kill him"

Immortality type 5:

 

[ShionAH]

"Kill him"

Immortality type 5:

Would Soul hax even work on Caine? If not I dont think Sans can kill him

 

[The_Pink_God]

He's AI so Soul Hax shouldn't really work, Sans best bet is Incon with his Infinite Turn thingy, if he doesn't get snapped before that, that is

 

[ShionAH]

Well Sans wouldnt know this, so Caine stomps. If we give Sans knowledge its incon

 

[The_Pink_God]

I feel like Sans would start with his move, Caine would get surprised, Sans would see Caine isn't normal and can't be killed, normally, so he would either
1-) Try his best to just explode and destroy Caine something that wouldn't work because Caine can just snap him even if Sans did his best
2-) Sans would go for the infinite Turn

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump (I'm sorry if this is too soon I have no idea what the actual time between bumps should be)

 

[AThe1412]

Sans' profile says that his durability negation works on beings who lack a soul.

 

[The_Pink_God]

No one said it didn't

 

[ShionAH]

Immortality 5

 

[The_Pink_God]

As I said
Sans best bet is Incon through infinite turn
He either tries his best to kill Caine and fails
Or he immediately realizes Caine can't be killed so he immediately goes for the infinite turn

 

[StrymULTRA]

He's AI so Soul Hax shouldn't really work, Sans best bet is Incon with his Infinite Turn thingy, if he doesn't get snapped before that, that is

Flowey:

 

[The_Pink_God]

Flowey:

I said the soul Hax won't work, Sans still can do damage with Telekinesis and Dura Neg, never said those two wouldn't work
But then again
Immortality 5

 

[StrymULTRA]

I said the soul Hax won't work

The reason why the soul hax supposedly wouldn't work is because AIs lack souls, but Sans already could use his hax against soulless stuff.

Rn Caine has only Average Human LS however, meaning that Sans would completely merc him with his Class 10 TK.

And remember that the first thing Sans does is using TK, Caine wouldn't understand anything due to lacking any kind of experience with Danmakus like Sans', leaving him kinda vulnerable to him.

Aka voting Sans here tbh.

 

[The_Pink_God]

The reason why the soul hax supposedly wouldn't work is because AIs lack souls, but Sans already could use his hax against soulless stuff.

Rn Caine has only Average Human LS however, meaning that Sans would completely merc him with his Class 10 TK.

And remember that the first thing Sans does is using TK, Caine wouldn't understand anything due to lacking any kind of experience with Danmakus like Sans', leaving him kinda vulnerable to him.

Aka voting Sans here tbh.

Good argument
Counterpoint:

Immortality (Type 1, 2, and 5; Him being inorganic combined with the "day after day" part of the intro resetting itself a few times and there being no escape from The Amazing Digital Circus implies that he will never die by natural means as a digital entity[1], and Gooseworx even states that Caine doesn't need to aged[3]. Characters from TADC can't die no matter what happens to them[2], with it being stated that they can survive practically anything without the fear of death, instead they'll just suffer the cartoonist option possible upon experiencing fatal events[3])

 

[StrymULTRA]

Good argument
Counterpoint:

Sans literally won against Alastor despite him having Type 5 as well tho (but that can be off Alastor existing as a soul due to him being already dead).

Plus Monsters' magic can still attack intangible beings as if they're physical, meaning that if killed Flowey over and over, nothing says he won't be able with also Caine for same reason.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Sans literally won against Alastor despite him having Type 5 as well tho

Alastor does has Immortality 5 though, he only has Immortality 5 Negation with Angel's weaponry

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alastor does has Immortality 5 though, he only has Immortality 5 Negation with Angel's weaponry

Alastor is a Sinner which has this:

• Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7): Sinners have already experienced death, making them effectively undead.[21] Sinners are eternally youthful[22] and "extra resilient", which allows them to survive being beaten, crushed, and shot,[23] with only angelic weapons being capable of truly killing a demon.[24]

 

[The_Pink_God]

Oh
My bad then, still

(but that can be off Alastor existing as a soul due to him being already dead)

You kind of gave the reason why here
Caine isn't like that, he's an AI made of Code and Data that's designed to not normally die
Unless Sans can somehow bypass that, I don't think Caine would die by anything, and anything Sans would throw at him would just be turned into a comedic gag
Note that I'm not saying Sans "can't" hurt him, cuz I have no reason to believe he can't, what I'm saying is that Sans can't kill
Either way, I'm still gonna count your vote

 

[StrymULTRA]

Right, after all Flowey still "died" in the conventional way, but Caine just can't on the other hand, so huuuh.

 

[The_Pink_God]

My point, basically

 

[StrymULTRA]

Retract my vote then.

 

[The_Pink_God]

Vote's been retracted

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor lost because Sinners Immortality is not really combat appicable, it takes them quite some time to put themselves back up.

Radio Fraud also has no answer to Soul Hax

 

[The_Pink_God]

Yeah no point comparing Alastor to Caine

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I have not readed the comments but i will say this

Snapping your finger is faster than swinging your arm downwards

I believe this is a stomp in caine's favor

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You can't bump before 24H have passed

 

[The_Pink_God]

You can't bump before 24H have passed

Only 6 hours, apparently, that's what a Staff Member told.me

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Only 6 hours, apparently, that's what a Staff Member told.me

Oh

 

[ShionAH]

Thie is a stomp

 

[The_Pink_God]

I gave reasons as to why I think this isn't

 

[The_Pink_God]

Bump

 

[Comiphorous]

Caine snaps, sans dies. sans doesn't have the chance to do his infinite turn shenanigans because he literally will do it as a last ditch effort. and even then, thats not even a wincon, nor does it end with an incon. When he does use it, he'll eventually fall asleep and his turn will end, leaving him vulnerable to get snapped.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Caine snaps, sans dies. sans doesn't have the chance to do his infinite turn shenanigans because he literally will do it as a last ditch effort. and even then, thats not even a wincon, nor does it end with an incon. When he does use it, he'll eventually fall asleep and his turn will end, leaving him vulnerable to get snapped.

What snapped? If you're trying to get close to him, he's just gonna restart your position.
The only way to bypass this "Infinite Turn" is by Breaking the Turn Based System like Frisk did, which is Breaking The 4TH Wall