Danny Phantom A Glitch in Time - Beyond Dimensional Existence? (Dark Danny)

[LordGriffin1000]

Should Dark Danny (Pre Clockwork Overshadowed) have eventual Beyond Dimensional Existence (Type 1)?

Beyond-Dimensional Existence on this wiki refers to the state of being of characters who exist outside, and are independent of, space and its dimensions.

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.

While he has no control over this, Dark Danny post Fenton Thermos release is no longer apart of the timeline, and eventually his structural integrity became compromised (physical body began to breakdown) as stated by Clockwork. Dan even states he's now going to lose his body, and Clockwork said they'd need to find a way to anchor him to their timeline.

So for Pre Clockwork Overshadowed Dark Danny, he woul have eventual Beyond Dimensional Existence, at least I think, given he'll no longer be spatially or temporally connect to a timeline. Not sure if this is enough evidence though but will see.

"eventual Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; No longer is apart of the timeline, which eventually will cause his physical body's structural integrity to fall apart due to being outside the timeline for too long, requiring something to physically anchor him to the timeline)"

Agree: 5 (RigelBR7, Mizuki67, Mephistus, LuffyRuffy46307, SonicBayo1999,

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Aolphl]

Wait, Dan Phantom has Higher Dimensional-Existence, so Beyond-Dimensional Existence is invalid

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wait, Dan Phantom has Higher Dimensional-Existence, so Beyond-Dimensional Existence is invalid

That's for when he Overshadowed Clockwork, this is for his base... He literally has three separate tabbers for his Glitch in Time key, I even mention in the OP that it's pre Clockwork Overshadowed Dan.

 

[Aolphl]

That's for when he Overshadowed Clockwork, this is for his base... He literally has three separate tabbers for his Glitch in Time key, I even mention in the OP that it's pre Clockwork Overshadowed Dan.

Ahh my mistake. Obviously, after reviewing the scans, I hadn't read the remaining posts. Whatever...

 

[RigelBR7]

I agree. It seems valid.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

bumpo

 

[Mizuki67]

Seems simple enough. I agree

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Forgot about this. Bump.

 

[CodeCCLL]

"eventual Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; No longer is apart of the timeline, which eventually will cause his physical body's structural integrity to fall apart due to being outside the timeline for too long, requiring something to physically anchor him to the timeline)"

Literally the first sentence of the transdimensional existence page says:

Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions.

The statements obvious state that Dark Danny cannot continue to exist without space-time and will eventually lose his body.

So this would be "Limited BDE Type 1" at best.

 

[Dragonite007]

Literally the first sentence of the transdimensional existence page says:

The statements obvious state that Dark Danny cannot continue to exist without space-time and will eventually lose his body.

So this would be "Limited BDE Type 1" at best.

I mean isn't limited, its much more a weakness

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Literally the first sentence of the transdimensional existence page says:

The statements obvious state that Dark Danny cannot continue to exist without space-time and will eventually lose his body.

So this would be "Limited BDE Type 1" at best.

You do know that it only states he'll lose his body (an avatar) right? So he will be stuck in a incorporeal state outside of time but won't stop existing all together, thus he's still in a state of existence. He just won't be able to manifest a body anymore in the timeline.

 

[CodeCCLL]

You do know that it only states he'll lose his body (an avatar) right?

Of course not, I have no way of knowing since none of the scans mention just the avatar/physical body.

So he will be stuck in a incorporeal state outside of time but won't stop existing all together, thus he's still in a state of existence

Is there a scan on this or is this just your opinion?

He just won't be able to manifest a body anymore in the timeline.

I mean isn't limited, its much more a weakness

If my initial understanding of the proposals was valid, this would definitely be a limitation rather than a weakness, but if what the OP said is valid, it would be a weakness.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Of course, I have no way of knowing since none of the scans mention just the avatar/physical body.

It says it in the scans...

First scan:

Danny touches Dan and Dan's body glitches out.

Clockwork: "He's been outside the timestream too long. His structural integrity has been compromised."

Second scan

Danny: "Which means?"

Vlad: "He's falling apart."

Dan: "No, no, no! I'm going to lose my body now, too?

Clockwork: "Yes. Unless we find a way to anchor you here."

The entire context is referring to his body being lost, nothing about his entire existence (true self) is going to be cease to exist as well. So yes the scans only mention the body.

Is there a scan on this or is this just your opinion?

An opinion based on the fact that he's directly stated to no longer be part of the timeline which is stated will eventually cause his body to be lost. That leaves just his true self which isn't apart of the timeline either as Dan's timeline doesn't exist anymore. So yeah he'd be incorporeal and exist outside the timeline as he has nothing to anchor him to it and lacks a body.

If my initial understanding of the proposals was valid, this would definitely be a limitation rather than a weakness, but if what the OP said is valid, it would be a weakness.

Limited is fine with me. Technically it's a weakness because eventually that Dan's body would fade and be lost but he'd still have BDE he just wouldn't have a physical body.

 

[Mephistus]

I'd too recommend it being listed as a weakness for formatting

What a terrible fate

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'd too recommend it being listed as a weakness for formatting

What a terrible fate

It's already on his weakness section. It's been there for a while now on his second key.

"Same as before, his eventual destruction of reality would destroy him as well, seemingly does not possess all of Clockwork's abilities due to their unstable fusion and needs to constantly use a lot of his energy to keep Clockwork in line and powerful enough hits could cause the two to separate, leaving Phantom's body to break down due to him no longer being apart of the timeline."

This is why I'm only focused on giving his true self eventual BDE because without a body he'll just be in his incorporeal state that's not apart of the timeline.

 

[Mephistus]

Yeah, then BDE easily works. Put me down!

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree with that

 

[SonicBayo1999]

I also agree

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Agree