Original King Kong Vs Original Godzilla But "Remake" (7-0-0)

[Vyfourthaccount]

Rules:
Pre-mutation Godzilla is used here
Fight takes place in Skull island and they're on a beach
both start 10 meters away from each other
SBA for everything else


king kong 2005: 7 (@MonkeyOfLife @AThe1412 @JustANormalLemon @Arceus0x @Apex_Predator_GX @Dark-Carioca @Oiguana2701 )

Pre-Mutation Godzilla (Godzilla Minus one):

incon:

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Kong = 0.01477571060370459 tons of tnt
Godzilla = 0.0094390696351720847 Tons of TNT

around 1.5 times AP advantage for the monkey

Godzilla has the size and LS advantage, as well better natural weaponary

I give It too godzilla, 1,5 is a really small diference even with statistic amplification trough rage, Godzilla is just too big and will impale completly the monkey

 

[AThe1412]

Goji FRA. He's surprisingly smarter than Kong so he'll take advantage of the environment and literally drag the fight out to the ocean where he has the upperhand.

 

[Arceus0x]

I don't see how the intelligence section for Goji has any evidence for average intelligence. Average intelligence is the common adult - one who knows rather complex stuff about science, philosophy, social interaction ect. Below average is child to early teen level and high animalistic is small child or smart animal level like crows. From what I see here Goji literally just seems to understand "if this guy doesn't attack me I shouldn't attack him" which is something the average house cat or dog can understand with a smidge of training.

The question here ends up being - can Godzilla reliably restrict Kong with is LS? Cause Kong has huge experience fighting dinosaurs on his island, even if they're small.

 

[AThe1412]

I don't see how the intelligence section for Goji has any evidence for average intelligence. Average intelligence is the common adult - one who knows rather complex stuff about science, philosophy, social interaction ect. Below average is child to early teen level and high animalistic is small child or smart animal level like crows. From what I see here Goji literally just seems to understand "if this guy doesn't attack me I shouldn't attack him" which is something the average house cat or dog can understand with a smidge of training.

The question here ends up being - can Godzilla reliably restrict Kong with is LS? Cause Kong has huge experience fighting dinosaurs on his island, even if they're small.

The biggest difference here is that those dinosaurs aren't amphibious.

 

[Arceus0x]

The biggest difference here is that those dinosaurs aren't amphibious.

and we're on a beach which means the depth of water isn't gonna be above 3-4 meters for quite a distance

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Kong = 0.01477571060370459 tons of tnt
Godzilla = 0.0094390696351720847 Tons of TNT

around 1.5 times AP advantage for the monkey

Godzilla has the size and LS advantage, as well better natural weaponary

I give It too godzilla, 1,5 is a really small diference even with statistic amplification trough rage, Godzilla is just too big and will impale completly the monkey

Counted

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Goji FRA. He's surprisingly smarter than Kong so he'll take advantage of the environment and literally drag the fight out to the ocean where he has the upperhand.

Counted I guess

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I don't see how the intelligence section for Goji has any evidence for average intelligence. Average intelligence is the common adult - one who knows rather complex stuff about science, philosophy, social interaction ect. Below average is child to early teen level and high animalistic is small child or smart animal level like crows. From what I see here Goji literally just seems to understand "if this guy doesn't attack me I shouldn't attack him" which is something the average house cat or dog can understand with a smidge of training.

The question here ends up being - can Godzilla reliably restrict Kong with is LS? Cause Kong has huge experience fighting dinosaurs on his island, even if they're small.

who do you vote then?

 

[Arceus0x]

who do you vote then?

Unsure

 

[JustANormalLemon]

King has experience fighting dinosaurs with comparable L and size, here godzila has a big advantage on both

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Unsure

I see

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

King has experience fighting dinosaurs with comparable L and size, here godzila has a big advantage on both

still betting on Goji?

 

[AThe1412]

and we're on a beach which means the depth of water isn't gonna be above 3-4 meters for quite a distance

A small distance for kaijus who can travel at Superhuman speed. Goji can just grab Kong and yeet him really far out.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

still betting on Goji?

yup

 

[Arceus0x]

A small distance for kaijus who can travel at Superhuman speed. Goji can just grab Kong and yeet him really far out.

not if Kong caves in his skull first with punches. You also need to prove that Godzilla would do that in character.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

not if Kong caves in his skull first with punches. You also need to prove that Godzilla would do that in character.

It's just 1,5 times diference in AP, Kong can't punch this much before getting bitten by a mouth bigger them Himself

 

[AThe1412]

not if Kong caves in his skull first with punches. You also need to prove that Godzilla would do that in character.

Assuming that size difference isn't a problem.



Replace that poor guy who got chomped and thrown with Kong.

 

[Arceus0x]

It's just 1,5 times diference in AP, Kong can't punch this much before getting bitten by a mouth bigger them Himself

Assuming that size difference isn't a problem.



Replace that poor guy who got chomped and thrown with Kong.

Y'all seriously overestimating the size here. Kong is 25 feet or 7.6 meters while Goji is 15 so he is twice taller than kong. Size doesn't really matters in a VSBW match much, AP and LS do. Sure, Goji has better LS, but why would he get to Kong before Kong gets to punch him away with 1.5 difference in AP? It may seem small but it is a notable difference. He is dexterous as well so he could harm anything on his face including his eyes. If he gets chomped down on a continuous flurry of blows would make Goji back off whether you like it or not as Kong IS stronger here.

 

[AThe1412]

Y'all seriously overestimating the size here. Kong is 25 feet or 7.6 meters while Goji is 15 so he is twice taller than kong. Size doesn't really matters in a VSBW match much, AP and LS do. Sure, Goji has better LS, but why would he get to Kong before Kong gets to punch him away with 1.5 difference in AP? It may seem small but it is a notable difference. He is dexterous as well so he could harm anything on his face including his eyes. If he gets chomped down on a continuous flurry of blows would make Goji back off whether you like it or not as Kong IS stronger here.

Except it does matter. Goji can fit Kong's entire head in his mouth thanks to the size difference and there's nothing he can do about it because of Goji's superior LS. An AP difference of 1.5x is smaller than an LS difference of over 5x.

 

[Arceus0x]

Except it does matter. Goji can fit Kong's entire head in his mouth thanks to the size difference and there's nothing he can do about it because of Goji's superior LS. An AP difference of 1.5x is smaller than an LS difference of over 5x.

and yet due to durability Goji ain't crushing Kong, at least not easily, while Kong gets the chance to bash at his skull all he wants, especially if he gets caught by the jaws.

 

[AThe1412]

and yet due to durability Goji ain't crushing Kong, at least not easily, while Kong gets the chance to bash at his skull all he wants, especially if he gets caught by the jaws.

Piercing damage with teeth says hi. He ain't bashing no skull when his is stuck between his opponent's jaws while the thing is biting down and likely slamming him around.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

There's also the potential for Godzilla to just straight up adapt to Kong with his Adaptation power. How would he change? No clue but it's a possibility considering that it adapted him into the insanely deadly kaiju later on in a single usage.

 

[Arceus0x]

Piercing damage with teeth says hi. He ain't bashing no skull when his is stuck between his opponent's jaws while the thing is biting down and likely slamming him around.

Yeah that is if he gets to bite him without being knocked tf out by a small fist with 1.5 his own power output to the head. If you wanna go realistic with piercing damage then you should also consider that while Goji only has his teeth, Kong has all his strongest physical weapons right in front so Goji will be taking heavy damage from the very beginning.

There's also the potential for Godzilla to just straight up adapt to Kong with his Adaptation power. How would he change? No clue but it's a possibility considering that it adapted him into the insanely deadly kaiju later on in a single usage.

ah yes, adaptation to nuclear energy will totally work on literal M O N K E

 

[AThe1412]

Yeah that is if he gets to bite him without being knocked tf out by a small fist with 1.5 his own power output to the head. If you wanna go realistic with piercing damage then you should also consider that while Goji only has his teeth, Kong has all his strongest physical weapons right in front so Goji will be taking heavy damage from the very beginning.

It's funny you say that when the exact opposite applies. Kong is the one who only has his teeth as piercing damage here while Goji has teeth, claws, and spikes on his back and tail.

 

[Arceus0x]

It's funny you say that when the exact opposite applies. Kong is the one who only has his teeth as piercing damage here while Goji has teeth, claws, and spikes on his back and tail.

you didn't get me at all. If a small animal's punch has 1.5 times the power of your entire body's kinetic energy and that energy hits you right in the head continuously from both arms, Goji'll get knocked out before he can damage Kong significantly.
Also please do note that this is his KE, meaning that this is the maximum power output he can do there and thus his bite strength would downscale further to an unknown degree. So one punch or slam from Kong can already stop Goji running at him full speed and you're telling me he wins because he might get some bites in with an AP of the bite scaling below the punch? Yeah right. I vote Kong.

 

[AThe1412]

you didn't get me at all. If a small animal's punch has 1.5 times the power of your entire body's kinetic energy and that energy hits you right in the head continuously from both arms, Goji'll get knocked out before he can damage Kong significantly.
Also please do note that this is his KE, meaning that this is the maximum power output he can do there and thus his bite strength would downscale further to an unknown degree. So one punch or slam from Kong can already stop Goji running at him full speed and you're telling me he wins because he might get some bites in with an AP of the bite scaling below the punch? Yeah right. I vote Kong.

Not KE. It's GPE which is entirely different (If we were to calculate Kong's GPE, it would actually come out as lower than Goji's due to the weight difference). But whatever you say I guess, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Arceus0x]

Not KE. It's GPE which is entirely different

damn, baited (i am sus on Godzilla being 500 tons when he is just 15 meters tall but it is what it is)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

kong is not K.O ing Godzilla with one punch, 1,5 times diference is extremely above one shoot range(one shoot includes one hit K.O) kong gonna need a lot more to actually K.O zilla, zilla also will have no problem biting here sinse the force of him closing his mouth is LS and not AP, put all the pircing damage into play kong is a fine monkey snack

lol, kong don't even has experience fighting something this bigger them him

 

[Arceus0x]

kong is not K.O ing Godzilla with one punch

never said so, but several direct hits to the head will have that effect

1,5 times diference is extremely above one shoot range(one shoot includes one hit K.O) kong gonna need a lot more to actually K.O zilla

you mean below, and like I said, it will take a bit but its gonna be before Godzilla manages to kill him

closing his mouth is LS and not AP

exactly, which means he can restrict him but piecing and cutting his flesh will be harder

lol, kong don't even has experience fighting something this bigger them him

He dealt with 3 vastasaurus rexes who are bigger than him all at the same time
He also dealt with bites from characters on his level of AP without much issue

 

[JustANormalLemon]

exactly, which means he can restrict him but piecing and cutting his flesh will be harder

Pircing damage let 9-C attacks penetrate 9-B defenses... You know that right?

 

[Arceus0x]

Pircing damage let 9-C attacks penetrate 9-B defenses... You know that right?

you are using real life animal logic firstly which is inapplicable here since we scale real life stuff completely differently. 9-C don't penetrate 9-B defenses, the body of the animal in question has 9-B dura spread across the area of their body or body part. Even bulls die when they actually impact each other with 9-B energy.
Now when it comes to Kong you just ignored him resisting a bite from a Vastasaurus which scales higher in AP than Goji and has piercing damage of the same type. This means Kong has enough dura to tank piercing damage properly from a bite with higher AP than Goji. This means gg.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Kong has insanely better mobility and melee combat skills shown with the dinosaurs while having to 3v1 them with one arm

Kong being smaller gives him a decent advantage... Not a disadvantage, making him easier to evade Zilla's attacks because of his mobility and giving him a lot of area to hit with his greater ap

Voting kong

 

[AThe1412]

you are using real life animal logic firstly which is inapplicable here since we scale real life stuff completely differently. 9-C don't penetrate 9-B defenses, the body of the animal in question has 9-B dura spread across the area of their body or body part. Even bulls die when they actually impact each other with 9-B energy.
Now when it comes to Kong you just ignored him resisting a bite from a Vastasaurus which scales higher in AP than Goji and has piercing damage of the same type. This means Kong has enough dura to tank piercing damage properly from a bite with higher AP than Goji. This means gg.

Not saying you're wrong in the case of Kong here but I do know quite a few characters who using piercing damage (varying from claws and teeth to blades and bullets) have beaten other characters whose durability are far higher (even being an entire tier above) with those matches being added. So piercing damage in general does help unless the opponent is heavily armored or something.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not saying you're wrong in the case of Kong here but I do know quite a few characters who using piercing damage (varying from claws and teeth to blades and bullets) have beaten other characters whose durability are far higher (even being an entire tier above) with those matches being added. So piercing damage in general does help unless the opponent is heavily armored or something.

yee but that also heavily depends on their skill with piercing and how pointy it is, and in especially zillas case how strong his jaw is

Assuming that size difference isn't a problem.



Replace that poor guy who got chomped and thrown with Kong.

This video literally shows him biting humans and are still intact and alive, his piercing ain't that good

 

[Arceus0x]

Not saying you're wrong in the case of Kong here but I do know quite a few characters who using piercing damage (varying from claws and teeth to blades and bullets) have beaten other characters whose durability are far higher (even being an entire tier above) with those matches being added. So piercing damage in general does help unless the opponent is heavily armored or something.

You still ignore the point I'm making. Godzilla uses piercing damage. Vastasaurus uses piercing damage. Vasta AP > Goji AP. Kong tanks piercing damage from Vasta without much injury thus he can tank the same from goji fine.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This video literally shows him biting humans and are still intact and alive, his piercing ain't that good

Can't really say the same for the dinosaurs


easily killing something much stronger than a human with their jaw

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Kong has insanely better mobility and melee combat skills shown with the dinosaurs while having to 3v1 them with one arm

Kong being smaller gives him a decent advantage... Not a disadvantage, making him easier to evade Zilla's attacks because of his mobility and giving him a lot of area to hit with his greater ap

Voting kong

Finally a actuall argument

That's actually asgreat point You make, Kong indeed can move around with much more easy then Godzilla, and I guess would be much harder to bite a monkey that is jumping around like a bouncing ball

And considering He also jumped trough a building I can see Kong Using his full body to do some massive tackles on Godzilla... but wouldn't the LS diference mean Godzilla could just bulk trough the slam giving It a easy counter attack while the monkey is falling from It's body?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

yee but that also heavily depends on their skill with piercing and how pointy it is, and in especially zillas case how strong his jaw is

This video literally shows him biting humans and are still intact and alive, his piercing ain't that good

Meh, this more due to the fact a human has the size of one of godzilla's teeth, so missing thesharp points is quite likely

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

but wouldn't the LS diference mean Godzilla could just bulk trough the slam giving It a easy counter attack while the monkey is falling from It's body?

nahh, because it would still get damaged from the force... It's not like his body will be made out of steel just because he has higher lifting strength

And if you're already above the ground/falling there's nothing your lifting strength will do

Higher lifting doesn't mean you weigh heavier, it means you have the strength to tense and endure/overpower things that weigh that much and if you don't have any support/footing to use that strength then you're just going to fall... Tho not sure why Kong would try tackling him

It seems tho zilla's lifting strength comes just from his weight , so kong can't tackle him or anything, no reason to do

Meh, this more due to the fact a human has the size of one of godzilla's teeth, so missing thesharp points is quite likely

Uhhh don't think so..


The teeth is like the size of a human head... Not body. Which is similar teeth size to the dinosaurs