Touhou Speed Downgrade

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Mokou considers arrows too fast to track.
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Byakuren's Last Word explicitly travels at 100kph, yet is much faster than anything else in the game.
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Therefore, all characters should be downgraded to Peak Human speed. If you disagree you are wrong and wanking the verse.

 

[Giannysmag]

I agree (Idk what the **** a Touhou is)

 

[Nierre]

she can't keep getting away with this.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

real and true, subsonic josuke next?

 

[Deidalius]

I KNEEL, I have been outbased once again.

 

[BadSystems]

please redirect this to content revision, it has merit...

 

[Shmooply]

Don't let the OP distract you from the fact that Mokou still hasn't made that discussion rule for Infinite Speed Touhou.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Don't let the OP distract you from the fact that Mokou still hasn't made that discussion rule for Infinite Speed Touhou.

Honestly I don't feel the need to make it as much as I used to, because Touhou haters inevitably disappear from the face of the earth before they get to actually change anything.

 

[Myst166]

Mokou considers arrows too fast to track.
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Byakuren's Last Word explicitly travels at 100kph, yet is much faster than anything else in the game.
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Therefore, all characters should be downgraded to Peak Human speed. If you disagree you are wrong and wanking the verse.

I agree that the wiki lists some Touhou characters a little too high in terms of speed, but you have to be joking here, right?

 

[Deidalius]

Nah this is serious shit. Touhou won't go past Arrow level. Bummer, I liked the series so much.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

no this is 100% real, reimu is visibly slower than falling rocks

 

[Myst166]

no this is 100% real, reimu is visibly slower than falling rocks

Sure, but we know Youmu can reach Relativistic.

 

[Deidalius]

Sure, but we know Youmu can reach Relativistic.

Maybe the rocks are relativistic. Gravity is relativistic TBH.

 

[Myst166]

Maybe the rocks are relativistic. Gravity is relativistic TBH.

I am referring to the speed rating Relativistic, listed on the wiki as 10-50% the speed of light.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Okay jokes aside there are like 50 billion FTL and higher feats for the verse, I made that discussion rule for a reason. You're welcome to try and change it, though.

 

[Myst166]

Okay jokes aside there are like 50 billion FTL and higher feats for the verse, I made that discussion rule for a reason. You're welcome to try and change it, though.

What's the basis for the infinite speed argument again?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

• Flew to the end of of Kaguya's corridor[117], which is composed of infinitely-linked pieces of the space-time continuum and is repeatedly stated to be infinite and endless[118][119][120][121][122]. Raced against and ultimately caught up to the Palanquin Ship, which could fly to the edge of the infinitely-sized Makai without stopping or slowing down[123][124][125]. Crossed the infinite width of the Sanzu River in order to reach Hell[126][127][128][129][130]
• Using her density manipulation, she could cause the fragments of Heaven, an infinitely large realm[77][78][79][80][81], to gather and reform over the course of a single night[82]

There are some other arguments for it, but these are the four most explicit ones.

 

[Myst166]

• Flew to the end of of Kaguya's corridor[117], which is composed of infinitely-linked pieces of the space-time continuum and is repeatedly stated to be infinite and endless[118][119][120][121][122]. Raced against and ultimately caught up to the Palanquin Ship, which could fly to the edge of the infinitely-sized Makai without stopping or slowing down[123][124][125]. Crossed the infinite width of the Sanzu River in order to reach Hell[126][127][128][129][130]
• Using her density manipulation, she could cause the fragments of Heaven, an infinitely large realm[77][78][79][80][81], to gather and reform over the course of a single night[82]

There are some other arguments for it, but these are the four most explicit ones.

I'll get to all of these, but first: Suika's feat can more reasonably be considered one of Range (or even AP) than speed.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I'll get to all of these, but first: Suika's feat can more reasonably be considered one of Range (or even AP) than speed.

It's attack speed. Suika's density manipulation can cause pieces of something to reform an infinite space, so they have to be moving an infinite distance to do so; This happens in a very short time frame, so those pieces are moving infinitely fast. If she can move objects at those speeds, and other characters can react to and dodge those objects in her spell cards on a regular basis, which requires infinite speed.

It's like a character having a lightning bolt spell in an RPG; The bolt counts as MHS+ attack speed, and characters who can dodge it have MHS+ speed. It's a roundabout way of scaling speed, sure, but it's valid. Also, the feat is already under her range/AP.

 

[Myst166]

Second: The feat involving Kaguya's Corridor.

It's attack speed. Suika's density manipulation can cause pieces of something to reform an infinite space, so they have to be moving an infinite distance to do so; This happens in a very short time frame, so those pieces are moving infinitely fast. If she can move objects at those speeds, and other characters can react to and dodge those objects in her spell cards on a regular basis, which requires infinite speed.

It's like a character having a lightning bolt spell in an RPG; The bolt counts as MHS+ attack speed, and characters who can dodge it have MHS+ speed. It's a roundabout way of scaling speed, sure, but it's valid. Also, the feat is already under her range/AP.

Have you considered that Suika may have control over her attack speed/range? I don't think it's reasonable to assume the attacks she's using in the games is at the same potency and range as the one she used on the moon.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Second: The feat involving Kaguya's Corridor.

What about it?

Have you considered that Suika may have control over her attack speed/range? I don't think it's reasonable to assume the attacks she's using in the games is at the same potency and range as the one she used on the moon.

Why would she? Spell card duels have no restrictions on speed (Aya's spell cards are explicitly centered around blitzing the hell out of her opponent, and Youmu has similar spell cards, so it's actively encouraged to make use of a speed advantage), and Suika's moon busting was more casual than the attacks she busts out elsewhere; She wasn't fighting anyone, she was just showing off for the hell of it.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Also, I do recommend making a CRT in the content revision section of the forum, so we don't end up arguing in what was intended to be a joke thread.

 

[Myst166]

What about it?

Why would she? Spell card duels have no restrictions on speed (Aya's spell cards are explicitly centered around blitzing the hell out of her opponent, and Youmu has similar spell cards, so it's actively encouraged to make use of a speed advantage), and Suika's moon busting was more casual than the attacks she busts out elsewhere; She wasn't fighting anyone, she was just showing off for the hell of it.

I forgot I was writing about the corridor whoops. Anyway, while yeah, blitzes are a thing, spell cards by definition are not unavoidable to anyone with the skill and memory required, and I have a feeling Suika wouldn't be using her ability to atomize her opponents anyway.

 

[Myst166]

Also, I do recommend making a CRT in the content revision section of the forum, so we don't end up arguing in what was intended to be a joke thread.

sure, i'll go make one.

 

[Myst166]

Also, I do recommend making a CRT in the content revision section of the forum, so we don't end up arguing in what was intended to be a joke thread.

Made one.