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scarlet witch the mostpowerful being in the universe

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Marvel_Champion_07 said:
that's only a Range feat without further context
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I stated that it should be her basic power that is listed as the most powerful being in the universe, because being above all gods she should be able to do these basic things. It is a confirmation of her being more powerful than the gods
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
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Should it be separated like that, range and hax, and power is attack potency? But is there any proof that she is the most powerful being in the universe? I think maybe it needs those things to identify or Or she could go as soon as she was labeled the most powerful being in the universe I still think she might have a point. Proving that she really are the most powerful being in the universe, she should upgrade?
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
But is there any proof that she is the most powerful being in the universe? I think maybe it needs those things to identify or Or she could go as soon as she was labeled the most powerful being in the universe I still think she might have a point. Proving that she really are the most powerful being in the universe, she should upgrade?
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The artbook statement is one explicit piece of evidence. Others that support the idea would be useful
 
I don't think the art piece is enough to justify her going from Tier 6 to Tier 3.
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
Then it is totally difficult to trust the art book. Then all parts of the art book should be removed from the entire profile
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No
Cause nothing else contradicts the other stuff from the artbook. Only this one that seems iffy, cause that's the only source of evidence that she should be Tier 3/2
 
Emerald said:
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Cause nothing else contradicts the other stuff from the artbook. Only this one that seems iffy, cause that's the only source of evidence that she should be Tier 3/2
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So the fact that she used Hax to destroy the Darkhold in every universe and the fact that she extended it across the multiverse has yet to be proven. If so, what should be used for verification? I think what she did should be a bit of a testament, because in the MCU, gods greater than her have never been able to do that
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
So the fact that she used Hax to destroy the Darkhold in every universe and the fact that she extended it across the multiverse has yet to be proven. If so, what should be used for verification? I think what she did should be a bit of a testament, because in the MCU, gods greater than her have never been able to do that
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I AGREE WITH THIS INFORMATION.
 
I agree with Wanda being Low 2-C too via being the strongest in the universe

Also I was wondering would it make sense to upgrade her WandaVision key to High 6-A since in Endgame she was on the higher end of 6-A
 
BUNZG said:
Is that even a valid reason for someone to get a rating?
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Well it’s more so the evidence that she’s the strongest in the universe. We have statements from prophecies and official sources representing Marvel along with a High 3-A feat that supports her being in that universal level of power.
 
Scaling throught statements like "he/she is the strongest being of the Universe" made by a secondary source should be done with extreme caution and only if supported by statements or feats in the series itself imo. Marvel is not new to using this kind of statements to hype up certain characters, Ronan is a good example of this since he had a similiar statement. And, just to give my opinion on that too since it might be brought up, her being prophetized to destroy or rule over the cosmo/the Universe/everything/whatever doesn't mean that she was this strong in that specific time frame, but that she would eventually become this strong. If her objective throught the movie was to do that, than it would have made sense, but instead her objective was just to go to another Timeline, not exactly something that would threaten the Universe or anything, aside from the effects of Dreamwalking. So this whole prophecy thing seems iffy to me. And even if we want to make it literal, it would be 3-A since there is not mention of her destroying reality itself. Honestly, I doubt any of the evidence for Low 2-C would be enough to give her such rating.
The Darkhold destruction is another can of worm, which would be a High 3-A feat. Personally speaking, I disagree with giving her such Tiering, mainly because it's kinda questionable how much this value is actually applicable AP wise. Her being able to use a infinite AP with every single one of her blasts would mean that she would easily dispatch of everyone that even tried to oppose her since she had a huge difference in power, yet she was stopped by the barrier made by the sorcerers, despite said sorcerers being finite in number and with finite power, which makes it a little iffy to me that they could be able to resist against an infinite amount of power given that we know that none of them is even close to that level. I don't know, it just seems a bit stretchy to give her such Tier.
Despite that, I am not actively against it. I disagree, but if the majority agrees that it makes sense than it's fine. Imho, the most logical solution would be "Varies from 6-A up to High 3-A with Magic" considering that the Magic she used to destroy the Darkhold throught every Universe could have been a specific, stronger spells that she might or might not use offensively too, but I will let other decide what's better. I will stay neutral and just see how this evolve.
 
ThanatosX said:
Scaling throught statements like "he/she is the strongest being of the Universe" made by a secondary source should be done with extreme caution and only if supported by statements or feats in the series itself imo. Marvel is not new to using this kind of statements to hype up certain characters, Ronan is a good example of this since he had a similiar statement. And, just to give my opinion on that too since it might be brought up, her being prophetized to destroy or rule over the cosmo/the Universe/everything/whatever doesn't mean that she was this strong in that specific time frame, but that she would eventually become this strong. If her objective throught the movie was to do that, than it would have made sense, but instead her objective was just to go to another Timeline, not exactly something that would threaten the Universe or anything, aside from the effects of Dreamwalking. So this whole prophecy thing seems iffy to me. And even if we want to make it literal, it would be 3-A since there is not mention of her destroying reality itself. Honestly, I doubt any of the evidence for Low 2-C would be enough to give her such rating.
The Darkhold destruction is another can of worm, which would be a High 3-A feat. Personally speaking, I disagree with giving her such Tiering, mainly because it's kinda questionable how much this value is actually applicable AP wise. Her being able to use a infinite AP with every single one of her blasts would mean that she would easily dispatch of everyone that even tried to oppose her since she had a huge difference in power, yet she was stopped by the barrier made by the sorcerers, despite said sorcerers being finite in number and with finite power, which makes it a little iffy to me that they could be able to resist against an infinite amount of power given that we know that none of them is even close to that level. I don't know, it just seems a bit stretchy to give her such Tier.
Despite that, I am not actively against it. I disagree, but if the majority agrees that it makes sense than it's fine. Imho, the most logical solution would be "Varies from 6-A up to High 3-A with Magic" considering that the Magic she used to destroy the Darkhold throught every Universe could have been a specific, stronger spells that she might or might not use offensively too, but I will let other decide what's better. I will stay neutral and just see how this evolve.
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Her H3-A is just proof that she can get up to low2-c, and it still wouldn't make sense her to destroy the main characters of the movie in one fell swoop, but for her to defeat them all and destroy the darkhold everyuniverse and The fact that it was stated that no one could stop her had to find a the book vishanti was probably confirmation of that, and Dr Strange also stated that she was the most powerful person in the world, so it should be 5-B, not H6-A, but I Still supporting H3-A and low2-c as before
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I don't see why Wanda has any reason to scale above the abstract embodiment of the universe. Low 2-C is pushing it
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Being the most powerful being in the universe was probably right for her, as even the gods higher than her were unable to match her in destroying the darkhold everyuniverse. That would be proof for upgrading to low2-c
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
even the gods higher than her were unable to match her in destroying the darkhold everyuniverse
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I really don't know who you are referring to when you say "gods higher than her", but destroying the Darkhold in every universe is an AP and Range feat. Not being able to do it doesn't necessarily mean lacking AP
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
I really don't know who you are referring to when you say "gods higher than her", but destroying the Darkhold in every universe is an AP and Range feat. Not being able to do it doesn't necessarily mean lacking AP
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Yes, but I just want to confirm her achievement with that of being the most powerful being in the universe
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
Being the most powerful being in the universe was probably right for her, as even the gods higher than her were unable to match her in destroying the darkhold everyuniverse. That would be proof for upgrading to low2-c
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It gets put into question when you consider Eternity is the universe
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
Arishem is only 3-A, so the most that Scarlet Witch can get without Eternity scaling is High 3-A, not Low 2-C
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But she can transcend eternity because eternity is not the universe. Just because he is an entity born before time and forever represented in the universe does not mean that he is the universe. eternity is also a being from the universe and an abstraction of all time in the universe
 
She might just be the most powerful of all creatures. I still accept her H3-A but her low2-c is still too vague. Maybe she is close level to eternity low2-c or not because if stated It is the center of life, including the scarlet witch
 
Yokoahh5743 said:
Her H3-A is just proof that she can get up to low2-c, and it still wouldn't make sense her to destroy the main characters of the movie in one fell swoop, but for her to defeat them all and destroy the darkhold everyuniverse and The fact that it was stated that no one could stop her had to find a the book vishanti was probably confirmation of that, and Dr Strange also stated that she was the most powerful person in the world, so it should be 5-B, not H6-A, but I Still supporting H3-A and low2-c as before
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She has no H3-A feat
 
She shouldn't scale to Eternity. Erasing the Darkhold should be unquantifiable.
At least 3-A, possibly High 3-A should work.
 
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