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No, but it is shown to have weaknesses only against others of the same race, but there is no citation.
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Nullflowerblush
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The worst there is, so that databook must in fact be real with the work.
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Damn, these statements are going a long way for cleaning up the chains.Is that not in the original series?
I found another statement from DRAGON BALL FOREVER that places enraged infant Gohan at 3x as strong as Goku.
'S going to clean up nice.
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Anyone know where I can find the scaling chain for Toei/GT ?
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no one made one yet
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word? I coulda swore there was a GT scaling chain somewhere
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What's the process of making one? Is it just via CRT?
Eden_Warlock99
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There's an outdated one in the Dragon Ball (Toei) page
BlastX
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Nah, you just make the blog.
Nullflowerblush
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Eden_Warlock99
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THEY'RE TOO GOOD
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you mean the extremely outdated one?
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Eden_Warlock99
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The Gohan reworks
Nullflowerblush
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What Super manga characters should have profiles?
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Goten and Trunks for starters. They both fought several Cell Jrs and Vegeta even states Trunks is on par with his Future self (Presumably from the end of the Cell Saga) prior to the USS and then they got the SH Prequel arc where Trunks may have Steam Manipulation and they gained their Saiyaman X1 and X2 identities, which are now being used for the next chapter, meaning they're diverging even more from their anime counterparts and might see more use in future arcs.
It would also be a good idea to make profiles for Gohan and Piccolo. They have very different scaling, feats, different techniques and are getting their SH upgrades. They are very likely to be relevant in the next manga arc so having the profiles ready is a good idea.
As for characters original to the manga I feel like we could add Yuzun (he's the basis for DBS lifting strength so giving him a real profile might be good), Macki and Oil (Both have strength statements, have fought and are working for Freeza so they may appear in later arcs) and I could also see Hedo's SH Prequel androids getting profiles, specifically Beta, Alpha 12 and Dinodroid.
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Eh. He is barely a tertiary character.
Nullflowerblush
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Also, everybody scaling to Jaco is >255.686325 Tons, and everybody scaling to SSJ Kale is >over 1,000 tons.
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Aren’t people in the Saiyan Saga and above considered stronger than Jaco?
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Do we allow backscaling from the Super manga?
That, and I only personally consider Lifting Strength scalable when a character is explicitly stated to be stronger than said character. Like, yes, obviously, Goku is infinitely more powerful than Jaco, but Jaco could always have higher Lifting Strength.
Besides, y'know, 40 tons.
That, and I only personally consider Lifting Strength scalable when a character is explicitly stated to be stronger than said character. Like, yes, obviously, Goku is infinitely more powerful than Jaco, but Jaco could always have higher Lifting Strength.
Besides, y'know, 40 tons.
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There is Bardock carrying the Attack Ball over his shoulder, too, which does scale to the original series, but is, in all likelihood, an outlier.
There are, like, two Class K calculations (three, counting the Jaco feat), and then a dozen statements where characters are petrified at the thought of having to wear twice their body weight or, again, Goku needing Super Saiyan to lift 40 tons.
Although, in that latter instance, databooks have clarified that, first and foremost, being in the air made the task harder, and, secondly, Heaven yields a gravitational pull a hundred-times greater than that of Earth. But, like, that still means he needed Super Saiyan to pull off a Class M feat.
For comparison, the Mercenary Tao calculation is 484 tons.
There are, like, two Class K calculations (three, counting the Jaco feat), and then a dozen statements where characters are petrified at the thought of having to wear twice their body weight or, again, Goku needing Super Saiyan to lift 40 tons.
Although, in that latter instance, databooks have clarified that, first and foremost, being in the air made the task harder, and, secondly, Heaven yields a gravitational pull a hundred-times greater than that of Earth. But, like, that still means he needed Super Saiyan to pull off a Class M feat.
For comparison, the Mercenary Tao calculation is 484 tons.
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Ah just realized it’s from the dbs manga for some reason I didnt read it properly and assumed it was from the Jaco the galactic patrolmen
If there’s a lot of feats that scale higher than 40 tons then it would make 40 tons the Outlier im pretty sure
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I actually was questioning this myself. How much do we allow? Like, Z Manga Goku has the immune system/disease resistance given by the Jaco the Patrolman manga, but Toei’s doesn’t. Then there’s the fact Toei Goku also seems to lack a lot of the mental abilities that Z Manga Goku has listed, even when he’s replicated some of the same feats (like intercepting King Kai’s telepathic call, or appearing to help Gohan). Like, Toei Goku doesn’t even have his mildly extended lifespan inherent to all Saiyans.
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Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is a prequel to the original series.
This only applies to Jaco the Galactic Patrolman.
There are two.
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Yeah, but would it not retroactively upgrade the Toei variation considering it is merely the Manga put to anime form (plus extra events)? I’ve always viewed it as the Manga informs the anime, but the anime doesn’t inform the Manga. This also makes me question why nearly none of the guide statements are used for Toei Goku, such as how Goku read Krillin’s mind, or how Goku sharpened his mind to speak without his voice “regardless of distance.”
Sure…if you forget that the two aging statements made by Toriyama in interviews that is corroborated by the Jaco the Patrolman manga, instead of the vice versa. So Toei Goku should still totally have that longevity.
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Iirc the extinction bomb statement and longevity statement arguments were “refuted” by claiming Toriyama had no authority over the toei anime which I now realize is false and that he only had authority over the manga but either way there’s a bunch of those statements for longevity in the Z anime either way so I have no idea why that wasn’t accepted
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Toei doesn't have that because it is a different universe then the one that thr statement was made
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No, because we don't use exclusive manga content to upgrade the anime, since is different continuity.
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no, the anime has way too much differences and it is its own thing, just like how we don't scale the abilities of 616 spiderman to ultimate spiderman, different universes require proof for them to be applied
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That's why SSJ is actually a x78 multiplier in the Toei continuity
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Okay, but how does this apply to events in the anime? For example, Jaco the Patrolman is obviously canon to DBS, and through the DBS anime we know that History of Trunks has retroactively been made canon for the Anime’s continuity.
Since the rules are “Manga Exclusive” doesn’t count, how does that math out when that Exclusive content now to some degree related to the current canon that has connected itself to what was once apart of the non-canon Toei events?
I assume the idea is just solely adding HoT without considering how Jaco’s events could logically include the rest of Toei?
Further, what about things in the new Super Anime/Manga? Like SSJ improving perception/sight?
Sidebar: We’re totally adding that in a CRT eventually, right?
Since the rules are “Manga Exclusive” doesn’t count, how does that math out when that Exclusive content now to some degree related to the current canon that has connected itself to what was once apart of the non-canon Toei events?
I assume the idea is just solely adding HoT without considering how Jaco’s events could logically include the rest of Toei?
Further, what about things in the new Super Anime/Manga? Like SSJ improving perception/sight?
Sidebar: We’re totally adding that in a CRT eventually, right?
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No?
Different continuities.
In the TV anime's continuity, Bardock – The Father of Goku remains the prequel.
'Cuz nobody is doing threads like I am.
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Less "retroactively been made canon" and more "adapted".
Besides, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is canon to the Super anime because Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is canon to the original series.
whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy would that affect the tv anime?
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That reminds me, the Wiki still uses the Planet Vegeta destruction calculation from the outdated Episode 19 flashback.
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Pretty sure the broly movie one is not calculable
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DBS is manga DB canon and not toei canon
My dude, things shared between the two, like the guides are shared, things exclussive to one are not to the other, inreally don't see the point you are making
any proof that the events of the manga prequel, launched years after the toei anime, would be canon to said anime? This is like saying that DB minus is canon to toei anime
Retroactively applies to OG DB manga, but not to the Toei continuity
Not unless you have proof that these elements from one universe are equal in the othet alternate universe
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Huh, what else could we use then?
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